Banning flavoured ejuice in New York crazy

[ckquatt]

I'm of the opinion that my bourbon should taste like bourbon anyway! If I wanna flavor it, I'll let the glass of bourbon look at a Coke can for a second...

I want this on a t shirt!! This is the greatest thing ive ever read, and I feel the exact same way!!

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[Kaezziel]

I want this on a t shirt!! This is the greatest thing ive ever read, and I feel the exact same way!!

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LOL! Thanks, CK! I figure there is enough variety that artificial flavors are completely unnecessary when it comes to my liquor!
When it comes to my ejuice, ban what ya want... unless they ban candy, I'll always be able to find flavors for that.....

 

[glycerol]

Well, thank vendors selling juices with oil-based aromas (almost all of them).

 

[Ponchomid]

All of this talk about big tobacco and big pharm panicking is true. Couple that with a mayor AND a governor that are both coo-coo, and this is what you end up with!

 

[Bassnorma]

Well, thank vendors selling juices with oil-based aromas (almost all of them).

Why would that matter?

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[glycerol]

Why would that matter?

Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos on CASAA's Facebook page:

"Because you should not inhale oil vapors. It is very dangerous. Oil-based liquids should DEFINITELY NOT be used with e-cigarettes. No ifs, buts or any kind of discussion... They should not even be used in flavorings. Some vendors are so ignorant and dangerous.... This is a really sad thing..."

Light vegetable oil base (grapeseed oil or other light vegetable), are lipid based material and should never be inhaled! they carry a risk of developing Lipid pneumonia (Lipid pneumonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) (Exogenous lipoid pneumonia. [Arch Intern Med. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI) For those that do not know this has been detected at least once (BBC News - Gateshead doctor calls for research into 'e-cigarettes')

There's a list of vape-"safe" flavours somewhere here, on ECF, but any flavour is an additional risk since most of them are made for ingestion only and are not stable under the higher temperatures of our attomizers and can affect human cells in a ugly way. Definately a "NO!" are sweet, fruity, vanilla, cookie, cola, lavender, other plant aromas such as mint/menthol, etc, yeah just check the list.. I personally vape unflavoured or VERY slightly flavoured diy juices and use only standard tobacco aroma. One thing to remember is that if you can't mix it with water, you definately shouldn't vape it.

 

[Tangaroav]

Anyone can link this safe flavor list ... ?

 

[joesquid]

Well, thank vendors selling juices with oil-based aromas (almost all of them).

Really......name one.

 

[Lessifer]

Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos on CASAA's Facebook page:

"Because you should not inhale oil vapors. It is very dangerous. Oil-based liquids should DEFINITELY NOT be used with e-cigarettes. No ifs, buts or any kind of discussion... They should not even be used in flavorings. Some vendors are so ignorant and dangerous.... This is a really sad thing..."

Light vegetable oil base (grapeseed oil or other light vegetable), are lipid based material and should never be inhaled! they carry a risk of developing Lipid pneumonia (Lipid pneumonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) (Exogenous lipoid pneumonia. [Arch Intern Med. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI) For those that do not know this has been detected at least once (BBC News - Gateshead doctor calls for research into 'e-cigarettes')

There's a list of vape-"safe" flavours somewhere here, on ECF, but any flavour is an additional risk since most of them are made for ingestion only and are not stable under the higher temperatures of our attomizers and can affect human cells in a ugly way. Definately a "NO!" are sweet, fruity, vanilla, cookie, cola, lavender, other plant aromas such as mint/menthol, etc, yeah just check the list.. I personally vape unflavoured or VERY slightly flavoured diy juices and use only standard tobacco aroma. One thing to remember is that if you can't mix it with water, you definately shouldn't vape it.

Without downplaying the importance of what you posted, it has nothing to do with the NYC flavor ban. Their argument is not that flavors are unsafe, but that flavors make e-cigs attractive to youths.

 

[GBytz]

if they do ban it, order it online! i've given up on all the juices available local to me

same here i gave up all those crap ejuice locally, is only one store close to me about 7 miles that you can vape all you want and try it out before you buy it. is called Vape Ink. Tattoo and Piercing. My first visit there was at night and i saw the huge cloud inside " i was jumping and kicking to get in" so finally i did and very happy.

 

[Lions Share]

do you guys see this happening nationally? i mean really , whats the point? I get the gov wants to regulate the cape concept, but what i don't get is how is banning flavors going to regulate people mixing their own or stores selling flavors?

 

[glycerol]

Anyone can link this safe flavor list ... ?

Part of the info you can find if you follow the links in this thread: www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy...s-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html

There is also a ton of info in few other threads, but I just can't find them now. Will post later.

 

[Tangaroav]

- PubMed - NCBI) For those that do not know this has been detected at least once (BBC News - Gateshead doctor calls for research into 'e-cigarettes')

There's a list of vape-"safe" flavours somewhere here, on ECF, but any flavour is an additional risk since most of them are made for ingestion only and are not stable under the higher temperatures of our attomizers and can affect human cells in a ugly way. Definately a "NO!" are sweet, fruity, vanilla, cookie, cola, lavender, other plant aromas such as mint/menthol, etc, yeah just check the list.. I personally vape unflavoured or VERY slightly flavoured diy juices and use only standard tobacco aroma. One thing to remember is that if you can't mix it with water, you definately shouldn't vape it.

Without downplaying the importance of what you posted, it has nothing to do with the NYC flavor ban. Their argument is not that flavors are unsafe, but that flavors make e-cigs attractive to youths.

You are right, but the flavor argument is what will warrant the ban everywhere. Too many, (most ?? ), e-liquid vendors have been proven to be incompetent, sometimes even dishonest, and that ONLY govt intervention through regulations can protect the consumers.

The best exemple of this is Suicide Bunny. They have been proven to be misleading their customers. Check their facebook page, they are not only ignoring that their e-liquid is 'chuck full ' of Diketones but are actually denying it.

 

[Ponchomid]

but what i don't get is how is banning flavors going to regulate people mixing their own or stores selling flavors?[/QUOTE]

What if they ban the sale of liquid nicotine?

 

[Blaize19]

While it's true there are options for getting around it if it happens, you have to look at the big picture. How many current smokers in NYC are going to switch to vaping if they can't get decent liquid?

Check out the thread here for things you can do to help fight this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/611368-nyc-flavor-ban.html

And if you haven't already, join CASAA

Also bear in mind the businesses that will shut down, people out of work, owners losing their investment...

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[WhiteHighlights]

Without downplaying the importance of what you posted, it has nothing to do with the NYC flavor ban. Their argument is not that flavors are unsafe, but that flavors make e-cigs attractive to youths.

This is really the issue in NYC and 'it's for the children' is the battle cry - despite minor detail that the number of youth smoking is down and those who try e-cigs are nearly all smokers (that pesky detail was hidden in the CDC info). What angers me is that they ignore the thousands of adults (in NYC alone) who are switching to ecigs as a safer alternative and that the availability of flavors is a significant part of that (Dr F. survey). The ban will make it harder for current smokers to switch through the closure of B&Ms which serve as an introduction to vaping for a lot of people and have a negative economic impact through job losses. That's a lose, lose, lose proposition to my mind.

At this point, I have less faith in the government (FDA, CDC etal) than I do with industry and consumer pressure to get vendors to provide information and quality controls. There will always be those who are unscrupulous that the government will fail to catch too (not enough resources for on-site checks and/or independent testing - just use what the vendor tells you like they do with drug testing). Especially in this age of social media, those that don't comply are outed by consumers who vote with their wallets - ie. the info about SB.

+1 If you haven't, please join CASAA. We need to be active and vocal or they're just going to walk all over us like they did/do to smokers.

 

[EBates]

And lets not forget about beer... Just one flavor, and flat, so as not to entice the children with the Kewl bubbles.

OK now you dun got personal (LOL)

Your government at work. The only thing our political leaders are after is satisfying their money sources.
Anymore Money, Power and Control are the Only things they give a .... about.

Elections are coming, time to bring in a different bunch. Note I didn't say Better just Different.

 

[JohnSh]

What we need to do is ban everything the common man likes or might help him rid himself of a bad habit. Of course these laws cannot be enforced on the rich and politically connected. They can do as they please. I mean really what makes you think you should have any pleasure or better your life? The nerve of some people!
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[roosterado]

The Black Market for cigarettes in NYC is Big due to High Taxes. The Same smugglers and some new ones will now stock Flavored E Liquid in their Vans- for those Vapers without a Credit card at least that cannot order online. Its hurts small business! My Understanding is that you can still buy flavored E-Liquid at a Cigar Lounge

 

[roosterado]

The Black Market for cigarettes in NYC is Big due to High Taxes. The Same smugglers and some new ones will now stock Flavored E Liquid in their Vans- for those Vapers without a Credit card at least that cannot order online. Its hurts small business! My Understanding is that you can still buy flavored E-Liquid at a Cigar Lounge

Opinion Piece

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/jacob-sullum-public-health-vape-cake-article-1.1978522