Basic E-Cig User Branching Out

[OldManMerton]

Ugh...I lost my very long post I was typing. Sheesh.

Let's try this again. Thanks beforehand for any help.

I've been a "simple" e-cig smoker for about a year. Was a Smoketip customer and while I am no longer giving them any business thanks to a few incidents of decidedly poor customer service, I give them props for having a nice starter kit that hooked me on vaping.

I have since made one purchase through E-cig dot com. Their prices and ridiculous amount of flavors sold me. I know some folks have had problems with them, but my initial experience proved outstanding enough that I'm going to buy from them again. But I kind of want to ratchet up my experience.

Here's what I want:

a) I'd like a higher quality cigarette. I know why some people like separate atomizers, but I think I'm going to continue to steer clear of 3 part cigs for the sake of maintenance and component overload.
b) I want to go away from pre-filled and test out filling my own carts
c) battery life is nice, flavor is important, but vapor/throat hit probably is #1 for me. I want a lot of vapor and a moderate to heavy throat hit
d) I had a D here originally but heck if I can remember it this time!

So I have a few questions! Now, I have seen opinions already at various sites on most of these questions, but I'd kind of like to consolidate them into one group and have some of the experts here tackle them in one fell swoop. While I''m sure there are differing opinions, it seems this should be the most trustworthy source for what I want to know.

1) Right now I'm leaning towards the VGO. Is there a basic consensus on the quality of this product?
2) E-Cig's VGO kit provides 2 batteries as well as two atomizers, implying it is a 3 piece ecig. But they also provide empty VGO cartomizers, implying it can be either a 2 OR a 3 piece depending on your preference. Am I misunderstanding that?
3) Smoketip batteries had no limit to the length of your draw. However, the E-9s I got from e-cig have an automatic battery shutoff if you drew for more than a couple seconds. I got *used* to that, but would prefer not having that safety mechanism there. Does the VGO have it? I see no mention one way or the other about it. Not sure how common that is.
4) I go through 1-1.5 pre-filled carts a day. I'm currently thinking of buying 260mls of e-liquid (spread over 5 flavors). How long might that last me roughly?
5) How many empty carts should I buy? How many times can they be refilled generally speaking?
6) E-Cig offers, of course, the following bases: PG, VG, PG400, a PG+VG mix, and a VG+PG400 mix. My first purchase there used the PG+VG mix an I was pretty satisfied, but would one of the other options be preferable if the high vape/high throat hit is important to me?
7) Lastly, are there any devices for battery charging other than the little USB chargers and the wall plugs FOR the USB chargers? I might just have bad luck, but I swear those things break so dang easy. I've lost 4 chargers already simply from dropping them on the hardwood floor to by someone bumping into them when walking by my laptop. Irritating as all get out.

This kind of looks like a lot of questions, but I really do appreciate the help.

 

[sonicdsl]

Hi OldManMerton, and welcome to ECF!

You will no doubt get a plethora of replies from our members, and some may be very passionate, so take it all in before making a decision.

I just wanted to point out, since you said you lost a post, that if you tick the box next to "Remember Me" when you login, that will keep your session going until you logout. Otherwise, you can get logged off for "inactivity" even though you were typing a long post.

Good luck in your search!


Sonic

 

[RooRooBears]

I don't know much about VGO but if you absolutely have to stay away from 3-piece ecgs, then that's probably the next best step for you. To be perfectly honest and no disrespect meant at all, it's a bit tough to answer your questions simply because getting a >2-piece ecig (battery, atomizer, tank, drip tip) will get you exactly what you're looking for (and then some).

The only thing I can do is offer some advice to look into the "eGo-C Twist" or "Vision Spinner." With these you can...

o adjust the Voltage as needed to get most out of your device for vapor production
o get tanks to refill your own eJuice, which lasts so much longer than a pre-filled carto
o longer lasting battery life that'll get you through the day with less recharging and more vaping
o buying eJuice vs pre-filled cartos are so much cheaper in the long run

The items you'll need for this are simply:
o The battery itself (eGo-C Twist or Vision Spinner)
o atomizer/cartomizer + tank
o drip tip

It's really not that much different in comparison to the VGO and have the similar shape/size you're used to (if not the same).

As for the eJuice mix, I recommend getting 50PG/50VG. I prefer a good mix of throat hit and vapor production, so this is the mix I've come to love after 6 years of vaping. I also upped my nicotine dosage from 6mg to a mix of 12mg/18mg nicotine to get a better throat hit on top of the 50% PG.

That sure is a lot of questions to cover and I'm sorry if I'm not much help, but I thought you at least deserved a reply. Hopefully someone with more knowledge of the VGO can answer your questions thoroughly. Cheers! Keep on vaping!

 

[KerryK]

I just wanted to add a quick note, I'll let someone else tackle this whole thing.....

I would reconsider the VGO and go with a Genuine Joye Ego C Twist or Vision Spinner with Kanger T3 Clearomizers or a Kanger Pro Tank.

Better for the money, better quality, better vape experience all the way around.

Mt Baker Vapor has cheap juice and flavorless liquids, best prices around.
JoyeTech eGo-C TWIST Batteries - 650 / 900 / 1000mAh - Vaping Me
Kanger T3 Bottom Coil Clearomizer 2.4 ohm w/ Replaceable Coil Head - Vaping Me
Kanger Protank @ VapingME.com
236 ml Unflavored Nicotine Juice USA made - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes

 

[tmaxxking2]

the vgo kit I found looks just like any other ego kit.

vapedudes has an ego 1000mah package for 38.99 and 3 shipping

kit includes
2 1000mah batteries real ego brand
2 ce4 clearomizers aka tanks
1 charger
1 110 to usb adaptor
3 10ml bottles of the juice you choose flavors and strength
1 pretty box to keep your stuff in
If you have facebook like there page use code fbfree at 10am eastern for a free 10ml bottle of juice of your choice

You can use any 510 connection cartomizer xl or standard length with an ego battery just make sure it isn't pre punched for use with a cartomizer tank

my brother just got his kit 4 days ago I ordered another kit for a friend 2 nights ago it's already been shipped

 

[Katya]

I just wanted to add a quick note, I'll let someone else tackle this whole thing.....

I would reconsider the VGO and go with a Genuine Joye Ego C Twist or Vision Spinner with Kanger T3 Clearomizers or a Kanger Pro Tank.

Better for the money, better quality, better vape experience all the way around.

Mt Baker Vapor has cheap juice and flavorless liquids, best prices around.
JoyeTech eGo-C TWIST Batteries - 650 / 900 / 1000mAh - Vaping Me
Kanger T3 Bottom Coil Clearomizer 2.4 ohm w/ Replaceable Coil Head - Vaping Me
Kanger Protank @ VapingME.com
236 ml Unflavored Nicotine Juice USA made - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes

I agree.

Or look at this kit. Very similar to the above recommendation:

http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_Spinner_Joye_Ego_C_Twist_Combo_p/vvs-c.htm

Welcome to ECF and good luck!

 

[OldManMerton]

Wow. Thanks for the responses. So the Ego twist is clearly very popular. Well, the clearomizers certainly look very easy to fill (I take it if you're using multiple flavors you definitely want a clearomizer dedicated to each?).

For someone who is not used to atomizers, how often will I be changing those heads and when do you know to change them?

These look really great. E-Cig is out of their twists atm, but I guess I can order my liquid from them and get the bat/carts elsewhere.

I'm also a little apprehensive about moving to manual since I still treat my ecig exactly like my cigs and smoke while typing/driving/walking the dog/etc, but it seems everyone believes its the best way to go.

 

[Katya]

Wow. Thanks for the responses. So the Ego twist is clearly very popular. Well, the clearomizers certainly look very easy to fill (I take it if you're using multiple flavors you definitely want a clearomizer dedicated to each?).

Nope. I change flavors all the time in the same clearo. Takes only minutes for the traces of the old flavor to disappear.

For someone who is not used to atomizers, how often will I be changing those heads and when do you know to change them?

As soon as the flavor and vapor production begin to diminsh, unscrew the coil, pop a new one in and you have a brand new clearo. It doesn't get any easier than that.

These look really great. E-Cig is out of their twists atm, but I guess I can order my liquid from them and get the bat/carts elsewhere.

Twists and Spinners are very similar. Some people even prefer Spinners because the voltage markings are more legible. You can order from different vendors--look around for a deal. Google is your friend!

I'm also a little apprehensive about moving to manual since I still treat my ecig exactly like my cigs and smoke while typing/driving/walking the dog/etc, but it seems everyone believes its the best way to go.

I have no idea how hard this transition may be for you--this is very personal. It took me about half an hour to get used to a manual battery.

 

[RooRooBears]

Wow. Thanks for the responses. So the Ego twist is clearly very popular. Well, the clearomizers certainly look very easy to fill (I take it if you're using multiple flavors you definitely want a clearomizer dedicated to each?).

For someone who is not used to atomizers, how often will I be changing those heads and when do you know to change them?

These look really great. E-Cig is out of their twists atm, but I guess I can order my liquid from them and get the bat/carts elsewhere.

I'm also a little apprehensive about moving to manual since I still treat my ecig exactly like my cigs and smoke while typing/driving/walking the dog/etc, but it seems everyone believes its the best way to go.

I, too, was very hesitant to go manual and move up to the 'advanced' devices. But if you take that leap - it's a million times worth it. Specially since you won't stop there!

The atomizers/cartomizers generally last 2 weeks, even for heavy vapers like me. Depending what type of juice you have, though, it may die a lot sooner (dark and spiced eLiquids tend to do this). If you don't mind, I'd like to make another suggestion for cartomizers/tanks.

1. 5 pack of 510 cartomizers - 3.0 Ohm cartomizers, 2 laser pre-drilled holes
2. Boge F17 cartmoizer tank
3. Tank refiller drip tip (will make your life a whole lot easier)

 

[RooRooBears]

Video of a Boge F16 Cartomizer Tank. What you want is the F17 (smaller size) if you were to get either the Vision Spinner or eGo-C Twist.

Real Reviews: Boge F-16 Cartomizer Tank from Canvape - YouTube

 

[OldManMerton]

Well, you guys have gone a long way towards selling me. I'll see what others have to say, but one last question if I go the Spinner/Twist route. For the tanks, what are the practical differences between the Kanger T3, Kanger MT3, Kanger EVOD, and the Vision Ego. I see the Vision Ego holds less, but not sure if it has something special to offset that.

 

[Katya]

This is what a clearomizer (bottom changeable coil) looks like:

 

[OldManMerton]

Thanks Roo. Will look at those when I come back.

 

[Katya]

Well, you guys have gone a long way towards selling me. I'll see what others have to say, but one last question if I go the Spinner/Twist route. For the tanks, what are the practical differences between the Kanger T3, Kanger MT3, Kanger EVOD, and the Vision Ego. I see the Vision Ego holds less, but not sure if it has something special to offset that.

T3, MT3--same thing, MT3 has a metal shell over a plastic tank.

eVod is a smaller version of MT3 (replacement coils are cheaper because you don't have to buy the coil and the base--like with the T3, above).

T2 is a top coil design--some people like it better because they offer a tighter draw and warmer vapor!

eVod:

 

[KerryK]

Wow. Thanks for the responses. So the Ego twist is clearly very popular. Well, the clearomizers certainly look very easy to fill (I take it if you're using multiple flavors you definitely want a clearomizer dedicated to each?).

For someone who is not used to atomizers, how often will I be changing those heads and when do you know to change them?

These look really great. E-Cig is out of their twists atm, but I guess I can order my liquid from them and get the bat/carts elsewhere.

I'm also a little apprehensive about moving to manual since I still treat my ecig exactly like my cigs and smoke while typing/driving/walking the dog/etc, but it seems everyone believes its the best way to go.

You can get lanyards for both devices and wear it around your neck, I have one on right now as I'm typing!

The coil heads last me about 2 weeks of heavy use, sometimes more with clear juices but I'm a heavy vaper.

I do use 3 of these on a rotation with dedicated juice flavors in each one, that being said they rinse out well with tap water, dry quickly and don't carry the flavor of other juices to any degree. (But that is juice dependent)

 

[KerryK]

Well, you guys have gone a long way towards selling me. I'll see what others have to say, but one last question if I go the Spinner/Twist route. For the tanks, what are the practical differences between the Kanger T3, Kanger MT3, Kanger EVOD, and the Vision Ego. I see the Vision Ego holds less, but not sure if it has something special to offset that.

The Kanger T3 is my first pick, then the Protank, then the Evod, then the vision. I don't use the MT3 because it has larger threading and won't work on my twist without an adapter.

With the first 3, performance is dependent on the VG/PG ratio of your liquids. I use a 50/50 most of the time but heavy VG may require you to simply remove a bit of the loose top wicking to allow more liquid to reach the coils. I just took a tiny bit out and my Kangers all work fantastic.

 

[OldManMerton]

Thanks for your help guys.

Wound up taking your advice on the Twist, but mixed up the specs to see how the different components work.

Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery - Blue
Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 1000mAh Battery - Stainless
Kanger T3 eGo Bottom Coil Clearomizer - Blue
Kanger EVOD eGo Clearomizer - Purple

hopefully it will all be worth it!

 

[Katya]

Very nice! Good luck and keep us posted!

 

[Ryguy316]

Take a look at the vmax, it's pretty cheap for a vv and be mod. Couple it with a vivi nova or vision tank and you have a simple yet customizable and powerful e cig

 

[Beccca]

Throat hit really does have to do with nic strength....I just dropped from 18 to 12mg....and finding throat hit is hard.