Battery upgrade recommendation?

[gnipav]

So, as i've posted earlier, i'm using the aspire cf vv battery/ies, and have been disappointed by their crazy charging time, but also they really don't produce expected amount of vapor for their size, compared to cigalikes i used before, plus can't handle long drags to inhale more vapor.

What would be a step up that doesn't break the bank, but that produces significantly more vapor, whether a battery or mod?

And since i use the ce5-s clearomizer by aspire, should i expect to be able to use it with other batteries and mods, or is it typical to upgrade clearomizer/tank when upgrading batt/mod?

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The delivery device has more impact on vapor & flavor than what powers it.
If you continue to use the ce5s a different power device won't make much if any difference.

 

[gandymarsh]

Lots of better tanks than the CE5. The Aspire Nautilus Mini is a good tank for beginner vapers. The Eleaf GS Air series are also very good and about half the price of the Nautilus.

For mods, I usually recommend an Eleaf iStick 30w, 40w. These have built a battery charged by USB. When the battery gets worn out, the mod is a paperweight. The Eleaf iStick 60w and Pico 75 watt use replaceable 18650 batteries that can be charged externally and replaced when they wear out.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Lots of better tanks than the CE5. The Aspire Nautilus Mini is a good tank for beginner vapers. The Eleaf GS Air series are also very good and about half the price of the Nautilus.

For mods, I usually recommend an Eleaf iStick 30w, 40w. These have built a battery charged by USB. When the battery gets worn out, the mod is a paperweight. The Eleaf iStick 60w and Pico 75 watt use replaceable 18650 batteries that can be charged externally and replaced when they wear out.

I concur with both posters.

You can find a pico 75w kit that has both the mod and tank for under $30. Just pick up a couple of 18650 batteries and a charger. The kit comes with a couple of atomizers you can then figure out which one you like.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised with any Eleaf product. If the pico 75w is too much for you now, then consider the 30w or 40w and get the Eleaf GS air M tank. The bigger tank holds 4ml so you don't have to refill so often. Both the 30w and 40w have internal batteries.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.


eta: I searched for you and lots of sights are out of stock... But did find it here.
Eleaf iStick 40W TC Temp Control 2600mah Battery KIT - USA Seller! Fast Shipping | eBay

 

[gnipav]

Thanks for the advice, so since i'm a newbie as far as non cigalikes, mixing brands between tank and battery doesn't matter, correct, it's all about whether the battery threading goes on the inside or outside correct?

I keep reading in their descriptions that each coil/clearomizer brand is made to go with said manufacturer's battery, and don't want to take chances. I actually once asked one vapeshop site and was told it'd be illegal for them to 'recommend' a vape product in customer support.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thanks for the advice, so since i'm a newbie as far as non cigalikes, mixing brands between tank and battery doesn't matter, correct, it's all about whether the battery threading goes on the inside or outside correct?

I keep reading in their descriptions that each coil/clearomizer brand is made to go with said manufacturer's battery, and don't want to take chances. I actually once asked one vapeshop site and was told it'd be illegal for them to 'recommend' a vape product in customer support.

Yes you are correct. As long as the threads match(most are 510 threading) you should be ok....except you cannot expect a sub ohm tank to fire on a non sub ohm device.....not enough power.

See the link I posted in my last reply. Vape shop here is the US cannot help customers anymore due to stupid government regs. The coils or tanks recommended for each battery are just suggestions.

 

[Two_Bears]

The delivery device has more impact on vapor & flavor than what powers it.
If you continue to use the ce5s a different power device won't make much if any difference.

CE5= Very old limited technology

He should get an atty capable of delivering vapor and flavor.

 

[Two_Bears]

Thanks for the advice, so since i'm a newbie as far as non cigalikes, mixing brands between tank and battery doesn't matter, correct, it's all about whether the battery threading goes on the inside or outside correct?

I keep reading in their descriptions that each coil/clearomizer brand is made to go with said manufacturer's battery, and don't want to take chances. I actually once asked one vapeshop site and was told it'd be illegal for them to 'recommend' a vape product in customer support.

510 has pretty much become the standard.

Get a good Atty with a 510 PIN
Get a good mod with 510 threads
Get a good battery or batteeies to power the mod and your in business.

Example

My Atty is a Kayfun lite plus V2
My mod is the istick Pico
The battery in my mod is the LG HG2.

 

[gnipav]

510 has pretty much become the standard.

Get a good Atty with a 510 PIN
Get a good mod with 510 threads
Get a good battery or batteeies to power the mod and your in business.

Example

My Atty is a Kayfun lite plus V2
My mod is the istick Pico
The battery in my mod is the LG HG2.

Ok, starting to get clearer. I'm looking at the eleaf gs-air at the moment, being much cheaper than the nautilus mini, and after these experiences with aspire, i'm sensing a bit hyperbole. But there's a chance i might be even more disappointed with the eleaf, but at least it's cheap enough, provided shipping fee will be reasonable.

Yea, vapor production is what i'm looking for, the eleaf will be significantly better than the ce5-s i hope? cause the ce5-s had great reviews for some reason.

 

[djsvapour]

Ok, starting to get clearer. I'm looking at the eleaf gs-air at the moment, being much cheaper than the nautilus mini, and after these experiences with aspire, i'm sensing a bit hyperbole. But there's a chance i might be even more disappointed with the eleaf, but at least it's cheap enough, provided shipping fee will be reasonable.

Yea, vapor production is what i'm looking for, the eleaf will be significantly better than the ce5-s i hope? cause the ce5-s had great reviews for some reason.

Well, you know my feelings. The CE5 is an outdated piece of hardware, as is your battery.
What we could with is completely erasing all these not very helpful old reviews from the internet, but we can't do that.
There is more than 1 tank in the GS Air range. I own them all (yes, that's not hyperbole) and t.b.h. the <4.0ml "M" tank is the best. The original is smaller tank designed to look good on slim batteries. The plainly named "GS Tank" (no air or "M" or anything else) is a 22mm tank originally to go on the iSticks. It vapes the same as the others but collects liquid in the drip-tip well much faster than the others. It's an error on the part of Eleaf.... as even I can tell why this happens, but they are not looking that far down the road.
Today (and I know I mix and match) I am using the "M" tank on the Pico. In my other pocket (not literally) is an EVIC mini VTC with a Tron S tank.
These are low-low/middle power rigs because of the tank, not the mod. When I get bored and shut down my work computer for the day, I'll up my vaping to perhaps even 30-50w.

So;
Reviews.... most reviews are not to be trusted anyway as there is much fakery in the e-cig world.
Just look at the reviews for Vaporfi, Apollo and Halo and then go search for a bucket.
Many genuine reviews are posted by people moving from very poor kit (maybe even a tobacco company scam/rip-off product) to something most of us might consider bottom of the ladder.
In general, any review of a clearomizer/tank older than 2 years is probably not worth taking any notice of. Now, you might think "yes... but surely something good then is still good now?..." Maybe, but are you going to use it on a battery from 2013 that offers a maximum of 11 watts? No.

For example,
An iClear 30S is a classic clearomizer on an 11w mod vaped at 8-10w.
A mini Protank II is a great little glass tank on an eGo battery at 7 watts.
However, if you should see one for sale, it will either be in the clearance sale or some greedy business will want $40 for a $4 tank.

(I'll go away... I'm getting really boring now... zzz)

 

[Two_Bears]

Ok, starting to get clearer. I'm looking at the eleaf gs-air at the moment, being much cheaper than the nautilus mini, and after these experiences with aspire, i'm sensing a bit hyperbole. But there's a chance i might be even more disappointed with the eleaf, but at least it's cheap enough, provided shipping fee will be reasonable.

Yea, vapor production is what i'm looking for, the eleaf will be significantly better than the ce5-s i hope? cause the ce5-s had great reviews for some reason.

Never used The gs air. So NO credible comments.

If you want vapor. You want two things

1. A device That is sub Ohm.
2. A high VG JUICE like 70% + Vegetable Glycerin (VG)

 

[djsvapour]

Never used The gs air. So NO credible comments.

If you want vapor. You want two things

1. A device That is sub Ohm.
2. A high VG JUICE like 70% + Vegetable Glycerin (VG)

The GS tanks are no cloud machines.
You can "stealth" them in Nando's.... that is the acid test.

 

[gnipav]

Well, the purpose was also to save money, since cigalike cartridges add up rapidly. But it looks like real vaping might be even more of a hassle, with so many brands and devices, techniques etc. I basically sought to replace cigalikes with something longer lasting, and better vapor as a bonus. I mentioned vapor production, i guess i expected more from this much larger device, but rather got faced with endlessly charging batteries and then a failing coil. I'm not into dripping or stuff like that, i'm a much more passive vaper, thus value reliability, and flavor, thus more vapor is a bonus. I guess i'll go with new coils, and then see if i still wish to upgrade.

 

[djsvapour]

Well, the purpose was also to save money, since cigalike cartridges add up rapidly. But it looks like real vaping might be even more of a hassle, with so many brands and devices, techniques etc. I basically sought to replace cigalikes with something longer lasting, and better vapor as a bonus. I mentioned vapor production, i guess i expected more from this much larger device, but rather got faced with endlessly charging batteries and then a failing coil. I'm not into dripping or stuff like that, i'm a much more passive vaper, thus value reliability, and flavor, thus more vapor is a bonus. I guess i'll go with new coils, and then see if i still wish to upgrade.

@gnipav

Vaping doesn't need to be complicated.

BUT, you need to listen to advice here.... please. You made a mistake buying an old and relatively poor device. I know I talk too much and am opinionated, but you are talking about equipment from a period of vaping when I either bought or reviewed or trialed out most of the new products.

There are so many good, reliable, cheap & easy to run products out there. SO many.

If you pair a Eleaf GS tank or Aspire mini Nautilus on a decent battery (iStick/Coolfire or proper independent battery mod) it will work and it will make lots of vapor. Importantly, it will be massively better and colossally cheaper than these dreadful tobacco company plastic cig-a-likes.

 

[gandymarsh]

On the subject of cost, there are a few things to consider.

How much you were spending on cigarettes. I don't know how much you smoke/smoked but 1 pack/day adds up to over $50/week where I live.
The health consequences of smoking. Heart disease and cancer are possible consequences.
The smell and pollution of the air around you. Tobacco smoke sticks to your clothes and hair even if you smoke outside.

In order to get a satisfying vaping experience, you need to acquire decent equipment and e-liquid that you like.

Most of the recommended hardware will last for at least a year and maybe 2 or more years. Your only ongoing cost will be liquid and coils.

If you decide to quit vaping, you can pass your equipment on to friends or family.

I hope that doesn't sound preachy, just food for thought.

 

[gnipav]

Yea, i'll probably look at the ileaf gs after receiving the new coils. I wonder though, the reviews and specs were prty consistent on these aspire batteries charging in 2-5 hours and lasting for at least a whole day, which i guess they do more or less if fully charged, so am not sure whether to replace them, and if so what batteries in the same price range would be better.

edit: never mind saw the cool fire suggestion.

 

[gandymarsh]

Seems like charging problems are common to that battery.

aspire cf vv charging problems - Google Search

Since you want something cheap, the Joyetech Ego AIO is about as cheap as you can get and still have something that puts out a satisfying vape. I would strongly suggest buying 2 so you have a backup.


Prices here Vapecrawler

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Ok, starting to get clearer. I'm looking at the eleaf gs-air at the moment, being much cheaper than the nautilus mini, and after these experiences with aspire, i'm sensing a bit hyperbole. But there's a chance i might be even more disappointed with the eleaf, but at least it's cheap enough, provided shipping fee will be reasonable.

Yea, vapor production is what i'm looking for, the eleaf will be significantly better than the ce5-s i hope? cause the ce5-s had great reviews for some reason.

Yes the eleaf GS air will be light years better. I still use my istick 40's when traveling and I have a car adapter so I can charge while driving if I need to. I have Eleaf's GS air M tank(4ml) on it.I buy mine from evape.us in Florida. You may be able to find a little cheaper on the coils elsewhere, but then again another shipping cost.
here is the link
Electronic Cigarette - Best Electronic Cigarette - Vapor Cigarette GS Air Coil (Pack of 5) at www.evape.us

and the tank here
Electronic Cigarette - Best Electronic Cigarette - Vapor Cigarette Eleaf GS AIR M at www.evape.us

 

[djsvapour]

Yes the eleaf GS air will be light years better. I still use my istick 40's when traveling and I have a car adapter so I can charge while driving if I need to. I have Eleaf's GS air M tank(4ml) on it.

What can I say. Exactly the same here.

 

[gandymarsh]

I have several GS Tanks (the 22mm). I use one everyday at home. I don't use the nickel coils that come with them. I use the 1.5 coils. I run them at 15-17 watts with high VG juice. Big enough clouds for me. Great flavor. Air flow is a bit tight but I don't like too much air flow. Never had one leak.

For running around town, I use a clone GS Air MS from fasttech. Mainly because they fit my iStick 20w batteries better. I use the authentic Eleaf 1.5 coils with those because the clone coils are terrible.