Bay and Paypal consider Ecigs as restricted items.. prohibit use of Ecigs

[Daydripper]

All you have to do is include this disclaimer:

*Attention Ebay - This is a personal vaporizer unit. It contains No nicotine, No tobacco and is NOT regulated by the FDA in any way! This product has legitimate uses that are not related to an e-cigarette, the end use of this devise is beyond eBay or the sellers control.

 

[HauntedMyst]

If you want to use paypal to buy from vendors in the USA, just get a Paypal debit card. Since it's a mastercard, it works just like your regular visa or mastercard debit card except it pulls from your paypal account balance.

 

[Racehorse]

You are NOT covered by the Paypal 45 day "guarantee"

It's actually a lot worse than that.

Paypal may very well shut down both your account and the other person's account for selling ecig stuff.

Most people know this already, but it was good of you to give this heads up to newbies....it is important. So thanks.

 

[Racehorse]

FedEx and DHL are making money and our poor USPS is going bankrupt...

USPS is really not impacted by not shipping tobacco products. They make it on first class mail and bulk mail and advertising mail (junk mail). Which FedX and DHL don't get to deliver.

FedX and DHL aren't under a congressional mandate to fund $5.5 billion annually into a health fund for future retirees.. That is why USPS is going broke.

USPS should raise their prices. They are doing way too much, and for much cheaper than FedEx or UPS would do:

FedEx delivers only about 3.4 million packages a day
UPS about 15 million pieces
USPS Postal Service 528 million pieces!!!!

They are truly amazing, I have no idea why people bash them so much,

 

[LeftHandBlack]

Ive bought plenty on Ebay! Batteries, Coil/wicks, clearomizers recently and had no issue with paypal or Ebay. Just looked a second ago and searched "Kanger" and thousands of hits came up.

 

[LeftHandBlack]

All you have to do is include this disclaimer:

*Attention Ebay - This is a personal vaporizer unit. It contains No nicotine, No tobacco and is NOT regulated by the FDA in any way! This product has legitimate uses that are not related to an e-cigarette, the end use of this devise is beyond eBay or the sellers control.

Exactly! Plenty of Vape stores selling on Ebay.

 

[szot]

I have used Paypal many times for ecig purchases in the past BUT that doesn't mean its a good idea or its OK...or U will always get your purchase or a refund...not after this thread which was quite a learning experience....Paypal ,has so many flaws that this site has been created to warn people.. http://www.paypalsucks.com/

 

[CommaHolly]

USPS is really not impacted by not shipping tobacco products. They make it on first class mail and bulk mail and advertising mail (junk mail). Which FedX and DHL don't get to deliver.

FedX and DHL aren't under a congressional mandate to fund $5.5 billion annually into a health fund for future retirees.. That is why USPS is going broke.

USPS should raise their prices. They are doing way too much, and for much cheaper than FedEx or UPS would do:

FedEx delivers only about 3.4 million packages a day
UPS about 15 million pieces
USPS Postal Service 528 million pieces!!!!

They are truly amazing, I have no idea why people bash them so much,

if they'd ever seen the way mail operates in other countries, they wouldn't DREAM of criticizing,,,,,,

the USPS does much more at much cheaper prices much FASTER than any other postal service in the world.

 

[szot]

Congress under the 2010 PACT law prohibits the shipping of tobacco by postal authorites, including FedEx, DHL, and USPS...that's why Indian reservations took a big hit with sales off the reservation..

USPS employees are paid over 30-$40 an hour and are Federal employees with a great civil service retirement pension and super great health plans that are MUCH less costly than any other branch of US government employees......USPS need not raise it prices..they need to cut out the managers and upper level of management that are useless, and their unions that are useless....

 

[Uncle Willie]

Congress under the 2010 PACT law prohibits the shipping of tobacco by postal authorites, including FedEx, DHL, and USPS...that's why Indian reservations took a big hit with sales off the reservation..

As I noted in an earlier post, it's the Jenkins Act that really caused PP and others to begin their restrictions on tobacco / products .. the PACT act was a revision to the Jenkins Act that did not prohibit shipping, it just added additional, very stringent requirements which make it difficult on any seller ..

Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act (PACT Act) Frequently Asked Questions | ATF

One of the points I've made in other threads regarding the may or may not regulation of e-liquid is if the definition becomes tobacco product, then the Jenkins Act could be used as a prohibition method .. thus, the ATF will have authority ..

 

[Katya]

USPS is really not impacted by not shipping tobacco products. They make it on first class mail and bulk mail and advertising mail (junk mail). Which FedX and DHL don't get to deliver.

FedX and DHL aren't under a congressional mandate to fund $5.5 billion annually into a health fund for future retirees.. That is why USPS is going broke.

USPS should raise their prices. They are doing way too much, and for much cheaper than FedEx or UPS would do:

FedEx delivers only about 3.4 million packages a day
UPS about 15 million pieces
USPS Postal Service 528 million pieces!!!!

They are truly amazing, I have no idea why people bash them so much,

With all due respect, Racehorse, why are you accusing me of bashing USPS????? Please reread my post.

My criticism was directed solely towards the PACT Act and the Congress. The PACT Act took an entire class of goods and made them non-mailable by USPS, which resulted in a huge loss of revenue for the already ailing Postal Service, and handed that revenue to private mailers. Of course it hurt the USPS financially and enriched FedEx and DHL. It is absurd to claim that it didn't

I used to buy snus and dissolvable tobacco (both harm reduction products, BTW) and always had them shipped to me by USPS. Now I have to use FedEX--I have no choice in the matter.

On the other hand, our fearless Congressional leaders decided that cigars and pipe tobacco will be exempt from PACT. I always wondered why. Is it because many legislators still enjoy a nice Cuban cigar themselves? Whose palm was greased? How can they justify that?

 

[Racehorse]

With all due respect, Racehorse, why are you accusing me of bashing USPS????? ?

Actually Katya, I wasn't.

Saying "i don't know why people bash them" wasn't directed toward you, it was just part of my thinking process as I was ending my post. Wondering why some people DO bash them.


I do apologize cuz really, I wasn't even thinking of you.

I wish you could have seen in side my brain when I was writing it LOL Just one of those things that happens when trying to copy down from head to white boxes on internet.......brain is already thinking ahead, and somewhere else.

 

[Katya]

Oh, OK.

I use our Postal Service all the time for everything--never had a major problem, maybe an occasional package that was delayed a day or two. They are really doing a great job, considering the volume of mail they handle every day. And they still deliver on Saturdays, which is really nice of them. FedEx doesn't, even though they charge three times the USPS rate.

 

[szot]

Under the PACT, I know that tobacco cigarettes could not be shipped via UPS, Fedex or DHL who had stopped deliveries about a year before PACT was approved and before USPS stopped deliveries...that was all about the major Big Tobacco 3 complaining about the Indians selling tobacco cigarettes for 1/3 the cost of the Big 3 and no state taxes being collected, and allegedly to stop minors from online purchases..I never did understand how , PACT however did allow the shipping and delivery of cigars and pipe tobacco though..guess the Big 3 has no financial interest in them....BTW, the Indian reservations are back selling and shipping tobacco cigarettes again now using a shipping company I believe they themselves created..

 

[JollyVaper]

Seems to be on again off again as far as ebay sellers and vapeware..... I have seen many items on ebay but I suppose there are so many sellers of so many items that it may take time for ebay to home in on a particular seller. Doesn't make much sense to me why they have those rules but I don't make them......just suffer them.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Seems to be on again off again as far as ebay sellers and vapeware..... I have seen many items on ebay but I suppose there are so many sellers of so many items that it may take time for ebay to home in on a particular seller. Doesn't make much sense to me why they have those rules but I don't make them......just suffer them.

ebay uses autodetection based on keywords, they could shut every one down easily .. they are actually not enforcing the policy very much since their main competitor, Amazon, is openly allowing the sale of hardware these days ..

 

[vr4boostin]

Interesting... so because e-cigs are an experimental product, with unproven safety, Paypal won't permit that transaction.

Maybe eBay should start accepting Bitcoins

We just installed a Bitcoin payment processor at Vapage E-Cigarettes | Electronic Cigarettes | Cig2o E-Cigs to test out, I'm looking for feedback.

 

[szot]

2 Things since my original post here almost 4 months ago..

1..I have had a few Paypal claims against FT which Paypal found every claim in my favor and refunded me, due to FT refusal to provide me a refund for items lost over 60 days..and all items were Ecig amd Eliquid related...and Paypal can see exactly what I bought on the invoices, and so can U..

2..I have made at least 30 eCig related purchases from US sellers on Ebay who owns Paypal and established this "no eCig" policy..and there are hundreds of ecig items offered and sold daily on Ebay and paid via paypal and the same 20-40 ecig sellers daily....so Ebay and Paypal basically are not enforcing their own policies both in the US and overseas for at least the past 4 months..

 

[Jarbs]

Good, they shouldn't enforce a dumb policy. Ebay is my go-to source for tanks.

 

[Peepaw]

Is this even legal?- e-cigs are just another commodity that is legal in it's use..Paypal can restrict the whole consumer market if they wish?
You can only buy paypal approved products these days? is this anti-trust or something larger? something terribly wrong here... do the regulators tell pay pal to do this?

Try to buy anything to do with firearms on PP.