Bay and Paypal consider Ecigs as restricted items.. prohibit use of Ecigs

[Katya]

My

PayPal is what it is--a facilitator.

If you reside in the US, you can legally purchase anything e-cig related from overseas. They don't care. Only domestic sales are subject to fines and account closures--if you get caught--and many have been caught. I have used PayPal to pay for my e-cigs from vendors who are based on the other side of the pond, for instance, even if they have warehouses in the States, like Liberty Flights and Totally Wicked.

Also, you can almost always forgo PayPal and use your cc when shopping overseas. fasttech has a cc payment option, too.

That said, I always try to resolve my disputes--if any--with the vendor directly, quietly, via emails. That's the best and most effective way, at least in my experience. fasttech has a huge warning on their site about shipping delays due to customs X-raying all packages and stopping shipments of batteries and eliquids via air--those packages are being reshipped by FT by sea.

Just contact FT if you have an issue--PayPal won't help.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Trust me, PayPal, eBay, Amazon etc would be more than happy to take the Vendors money .. they all charge a seller a hefty fee .. they have simply decided that the e-cig market is either too risky, too much chance of a problem ..

They are also stock holder companies, with accountability and a Board or Directors ..

 

[unknown_shooter]

but the info is pretty much what I would consider common knowledge ..

I wouldn't say it's common knowledge at all among the *buying* public that PayPal will deny a rightful dispute (against a buyer) for a legal product.. Among sellers of various merchandise, sure - no doubt they know, but when the seemingly "preferred" method for many vendors is PayPal, you just don't expect them to side against you without even investigating if you were ripped off.

That said, I hate PayPal with a passion. I had my PayPal account "hacked" years ago, and someone not only emptied my bank account, but sent themselves a "note" attached to the payment saying "Thanks!".. PayPal was worthless in resolving the issue, and according to my banker, the only way to keep them out of my account was to close it..

I'm pretty certain it was an inside job, as I don't use a "dictionary" password, and my computer wasn't a bot..there's a well-known website that popped up around the same time, and there were hundreds of people with similar complaints..

 

[EvilZoe]

Not really, it's more because of this jerk...
Action on Smoking and Health Encouraging Lawsuits Against Electronic Cigarette Sellers Over Hidden Carcinogens

Paypal in the United States has been "officially" banning electronic cigarettes since shortly after the above actions.

Did you see the comment on the bottom of the article? It HAS to be a joke:

Caroline Dalton • 11 days ago −
I took one draw of a cig20 electronic cigarette and I fell to floor,spent six days in hospital and am having terrible pain in mouth troat and lungs.Flew sister in to help me cause if I miss my dozen medicines and breathing machine I almost die if I cant get to it in time.This would be the perfect biological weapon too since it not regulated.It made in china but own by us companys .some thing like fire came out of that e cigarette and now I paying the price for using it one puff all it took

 

[GypsySyx]

@ them for trying to tell me what legal goods I cannot spend my money on. They are a brokering service. But hey...it's their business and when this industry starts hitting the billions of dollars a year mark, they'll be changing their tune.

 

[Katya]

Not really, it's more because of this jerk...
Action on Smoking and Health Encouraging Lawsuits Against Electronic Cigarette Sellers Over Hidden Carcinogens

Paypal in the United States has been "officially" banning electronic cigarettes since shortly after the above actions.

Hehehe...

Remember PACT? Spring of 2010?

The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking act severely restricted (and in some cases outright prohibited) the use of the U.S. Postal Service (already strapped for cash) to deliver cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco and smokeless tobacco. So what happened? FedEx and DHL are making money and our poor USPS is going bankrupt...

 

[Katya]

Did you see the comment on the bottom of the article? It HAS to be a joke:

No joke, Zoe. That's the kind of enemy we're dealing with here. The ANTZ.

 

[BigBen2k]

Not really, it's more because of this jerk...
Action on Smoking and Health Encouraging Lawsuits Against Electronic Cigarette Sellers Over Hidden Carcinogens

Paypal in the United States has been "officially" banning electronic cigarettes since shortly after the above actions.

Interesting... so because e-cigs are an experimental product, with unproven safety, Paypal won't permit that transaction.

Maybe eBay should start accepting Bitcoins

 

[Uncle Willie]

I wouldn't say it's common knowledge at all among the *buying* public that PayPal will deny a rightful dispute (against a buyer) for a legal product.. Among sellers of various merchandise, sure - no doubt they know, but when the seemingly "preferred" method for many vendors is PayPal, you just don't expect them to side against you without even investigating if you were ripped off.

I likely should have said common knowledge here on ECF .. if the product is prohibited on PayPal and a claim is filed, then they do have every right to deny any claim .. I'm not saying it's right, but the Vendor that set up the account should have known full well they were attempting to skirt the rules .. Business 101 and all that .. to me, it's not so much a PayPal issue as it is the Vendor that is not in compliance and thus making the Consumers funds at risk ..

And other than some offshore companies, I don't see any true USA vendors taking PayPal via a Website link ..

 

[custom-classic]

I had ebay actually close an auction I had going for a Vmod XL kit. They sent me an email stating that I had violated their policy. Oh well, I don't much care for ebay or paypal for that matter. Their selective morality is pretty laughable.

 

[unknown_shooter]

I likely should have said common knowledge here on ECF .. if the product is prohibited on PayPal and a claim is filed, then they do have every right to deny any claim .. I'm not saying it's right, but the Vendor that set up the account should have known full well they were attempting to skirt the rules .. Business 101 and all that .. to me, it's not so much a PayPal issue as it is the Vendor that is not in compliance and thus making the Consumers funds at risk ..

And other than some offshore companies, I don't see any true USA vendors taking PayPal via a Website link ..

If you read the list of "prohibited" articles, actual enforcement would bankrupt both Ebay and PayPal. I don't think it's even possible to buy off ebay without paypal anymore, and I've bought wick, wire, and menthol crystals off Ebay using paypal.. The idea that the sellers could intentionally defraud me and Ebay/Paypal would automatically side with them is legitimate "......." material on the part of PayPal and Ebay. They want to have it both ways.. Luckily, my credit card doesn't mind sucking back funds from PayPal, even if they want to be all weasel-worded & politically-correct, while making money off "prohibited" items..

 

[Uncle Willie]

If you read the list of "prohibited" articles, actual enforcement would bankrupt both Ebay and PayPal. I don't think it's even possible to buy off ebay without paypal anymore, and I've bought wick, wire, and menthol crystals off Ebay using paypal.. The idea that the sellers could intentionally defraud me and Ebay/Paypal would automatically side with them is legitimate "......." material on the part of PayPal and Ebay. They want to have it both ways.. Luckily, my credit card doesn't mind sucking back funds from PayPal, even if they want to be all weasel-worded & politically-correct, while making money off "prohibited" items..

Like I said, I'd lay the blame on the Vendors .. in order to sell, they agree to the rules .. if they don't agree, then they should not be selling anything prohibited .. it's really simple as that ..

All Credit Card / Payment Methods have a degree of restriction, not just PayPal .. and rightfully so ..

eBay makes it's money these days by sellers offering cheap cell phone cases and what not from China ..

 

[szot]

when I signed up with Paypal there was no mention of Ecigs, and when I read their Restricted Items list and policy, Ecigs was/is not on that list...so this was all news to me..if I ordered eliquid, then I could understand cause its a "tobacco product" which is a restricted item, otherwise this is news to me..

BTW..the person who I mentioned in the first post in this thread who could not get the paypal refund, was from the UK, and paypal does enforce their Ecig policy for buyers in the UK purchasing products from China at fasttech...but fasttech is resolving the issue with the customer..and even the FT forums mod was unaware of this Paypal restricted items policy..

 

[Baldr]

Paypal won't do business that relates to vaping. Some use it anyway, but if Paypal knows it's going on, they'll shut it down.

Since they don't want to to business with vapers, I refuse to do business with them.

 

[Uncle Willie]

when I signed up with Paypal there was no mention of Ecigs, and when I read their Restricted Items list and policy, Ecigs was/is not on that list...so this was all news to me..if I ordered eliquid, then I could understand cause its a "tobacco product" which is a restricted item, otherwise this is news to me..

BTW..the person who I mentioned in the first post in this thread who could not get the paypal refund, was from the UK, and paypal does enforce their Ecig policy for buyers in the UK purchasing products from China at fasttech...but fasttech is resolving the issue with the customer..and even the FT forums mod was unaware of this Paypal restricted items policy..

PayPal has not accepted Vendors selling any tobacco related material that I know of for at least 3-4 years if not longer ..

One of the reasons : The Jenkins Act requires vendors that ship cigarettes to another state to provide customers' names and addresses to taxing agencies in the receiving state, which then will levy taxes on. .. PayPal decided there was too much liability to themselves based on this .. and, unfortunately, the PV has been lumped in as well

This was one of the reasons PayPal as well as eBay put tobacco and tobacco related material on the restricted list ..

Amazon openly sells PV related gear ..

Electronic Cigarettes: Amazon.com

And one of the reasons eBay has been allowing PV material on site is because of Amazons stance ..

 

[7sixtwo]

Paypal has also arbitrarily refused to process payments, (even between private parties), for anything "related to firearms". They'll freeze a user's account, (de facto theft, imo), if they catch him doing something so nefarious... and entirely legal.

Yeah, I don't like Paypal. F em.

 

[nomeX]

Paypal has also arbitrarily refused to process payments, (even between private parties), for anything "related to firearms". They'll freeze a user's account, (de facto theft, imo), if they catch him doing something so nefarious... and entirely legal.

Yeah, I don't like Paypal. F em.

I wondered why CASAA uses PayPal?

 

[kristin]

I wondered why CASAA uses PayPal?

When CASAA started taking donations, it didn't have much funding (which is still true) and PayPal was easy to set up because it syncs with the web site/store, it's affordable (didn't eat up the donations with high fees) and it allowed people to either use their PayPal account or pay using a credit card. While CASAA understands some have moral objections to using PayPal, unfortunately it's sort of a no-win situation, because people may be unhappy if we do use PayPal (on principle) and others would be unhappy if we didn't (for convenience).

 

[cookiebun]

Never knew that until today..TY...guess I won't be using Ebay or Paypal anymore..

Sorry you got burned.
Pay pal/ebay stance on ecigs has been well known for a long time here on ECF.

 

[Daydripper]

I just purchased an Innokin iTastevv v3.0, some clearo's and sold 2 Joyetech eCab kits in the past week. All through PayPal, with no problems?