Been away for a while--WHAT'S THE BEST NEW KIT OUT THERE???

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Yes Yes the V Tube is another good option but has a lower amp limit than the Provari. I am not sure about the twist. Sailor whats the cut off on the twist? Sailor knows his stuff better than me. I forgot about the beautiful SS V Tube because I have a bad case of what Sailor calls Provangititis.:D I just want to spread Provari sunshine all over the earth LOL but the V tube is a good option too. God I am such a Provangalist!! Sailor I love these names you gave me.

Haha... Cross posted. They're both 2.5amps. Yes, the Provari has a higher amp limit. So, instead of getting 9 watts with 1.5ohms at 3amps on a Provari, you need to get your 9 watts with 3ohms at 5.2 volts and 1.7 amps on the Vtube.

The only real difference is that dual coils don't work any better on a Vtube as they do on an eGo or a 3.7V fixed voltage PV.

You can still push 10-12 watts form either the Vtube or the Provari. The Provari will hold it more steadily as the battery drains and with a lower resistance coil. The Vtube needs 2.5-3ohms and you have to push the little + button after you've been vaping for 8 or 9 hours on a charge.
 

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Would someone please explain to me how a DC carto is supposed to be so good on a twist with a 2.5amp battery limit, yet that same DC carto is no good for a Lavatube with a 2.5amp limit?

Certainly no one means to suggest that you try to run your twist beyond the amperage limit of the battery.

I posted this in the "game changer" thread yesterday:

"To me, a very good vape can be had on the Twist with a single coil carto/atomizer in the 2.0 - 2.5 ohm range. The middle of that range - 2.25 ohms - would give you between about 4.5 and 10.2 watts on that single coil; arguably a wide enough range to satisfy just about any user with any juice.

Dual coils have never made sense to me on lower-voltage devices, which the Twist still somewhat is. If it were even capable of putting 4.8 volts to a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer [drawing 3.2 amps in the process], which it's not, that would still be a maximum of 7.6 watts per coil. If and when the Twist hits its amp limit (I have heard 2.5), it would be putting just 4.6 watts or so to each coil with maybe 3.7 volts. Again, it makes no sense to me to use dual coils on a Twist.

I have also always wondered why a DCT is called that; a "Dual Coil Tank". That implies that it needs to be used with a dual coil cartomizer, which is just not the case. I am getting great performance with the single coils; good, but not great with 3.0 ohm, but very great with 2.0 - 2.5 ohm".

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-ego-c-twist-game-changer-23.html#post6385095

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Doing the math: The Twist at 4.8 volts puts 7.6 watts to a 3.0 ohm single coil at 1.6 amps. At 4.0 volts on a 2.0 ohm single coil you get 8 watts at 2.0 amps. I lean toward more watts at the lower resistance at the expense of battery life, but I might change my mind over time.
 
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They call the tanks DC Tanks but we use single coils in them is that's what you mean.

Ahh...O.k. If it's a single coil carto, I understand completely.
I'm just puzzled when every time I say that dual coils aren't very good under 4 volts, people say they like them on their 3.4V egos. Then, they turn around and hate on the Lavatube because it will cut your voltage to 3.7 with that same 1.5ohm dual coil carto.
 

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No problem with the Lava Tube here. I was trying to buy one from Apollo but I had to cancel cause I NEEDED VV or I was going to start smoking again so since I wanted a metal PV because I drop everything all the time I just ordered a Provari and fell in love with everything about it. Now I am sold for life.
 

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I forget to say a DC Tank using a single coil carto inside sometimes. Did dual coils come out with the first tanks or something? I have wondered this a few times.

No, Smoketech made the first dual coils AFAIK, and they needed something to push them with, so the DCT tank was born. There were other tanks before dual coils came out. It seems to me that Smoketech just did it for purposes of "product differentiation", kind of like what Joye did with the useless eGo-T. They didn't care how well they actually worked or not in the real world. They just needed something to be different, identifiable as uniquely theirs and to create "buzz".
 

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To the OP, I think that if you want to stay with the size you have than you should go with the twist. If you are comfortable going larger than you will want the V Tube or the Provari. I would still recommend VV because most will want to try it at some point and it will save money to do it now when you need a new PV. If you go with the twist maybe you should get the 650 mah because it sounds like some think the 1000 mah is ridiculously long. Good luck no matter what you choose:)
 

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Ahh...O.k. If it's a single coil carto, I understand completely.
I'm just puzzled when every time I say that dual coils aren't very good under 4 volts, people say they like them on their 3.4V egos. Then, they turn around and hate on the Lavatube because it will cut your voltage to 3.7 with that same 1.5ohm dual coil carto.

Me too. The fascination with dual coils in general, and on sub-4 volt constant voltage devices in particular, is to me one of the great mysteries of life. 3.7 x 3.7/1.5/2 = a whopping 4.56 watts per coil on a dual coil 1.5 ohm carto. At 2.47 amps. Not my cup of tea.

No, Smoketech made the first dual coils AFAIK, and they needed something to push them with, so the DCT tank was born. There were other tanks before dual coils came out. It seems to me that Smoketech just did it for purposes of "product differentiation", kind of like what Joye did with the useless eGo-T. They didn't care how well they actually worked or not in the real world. They just needed something to be different, identifiable as uniquely theirs and to create "buzz".

Totally agree. I've often said that dual coils are one of the cruelest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the unsuspecting vaper. I think the best vape and longest battery life is had on a single coil. It's always seemed to me that the upper coil of a dual coil cartomizer won't be as well-saturated as the lower coil anyway, and I get plenty of vapor with one coil.

If you can cook your dinner on one burner, why use two?

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Crazy deal on Boge single coil XL cartos:

http://www.surevapes.com/Boge-Mix-n-Match-5-Boxes_p_114.html .92 each

Decent deal on Smoktech DCT tanks:

http://www.myvaporstore.com/Pro_DCTank_Tube_p/510dcttp.htm

Wish I could sell 3 pieces of cheap plastic for $8.55. I feel like making my own using Pyrex tanks (the good, old-school Pyrex, not the new junk) and stainless steel end caps.
 
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Phenomenal post

:2c:..I went for the Buzz Pro after much research

Buzz Pro

Well thanks, but thank Sailorman, too. He's been one of my best teachers.

Please let us know how you like it. I've never owned one (yet), but I've heard very good things, especially how rugged they are.

Now where's Buzz? Dude, you owe me one! lol
 
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Me too. The fascination with dual coils in general, and on sub-4 volt constant voltage devices in particular, is to me one of the great mysteries of life. 3.7 x 3.7/1.5/2 = a whopping 4.56 watts per coil on a dual coil 1.5 ohm carto. At 2.47 amps. Not my cup of tea.

Totally agree. I've often said that dual coils are one of the cruelest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the unsuspecting vaper. I think the best vape and longest battery life is had on a single coil. it's always eemed to me that the upper coil of a dual coil cartomizer won't be as well-saturated as the lower coil anyway, and I get plenty of vapor with one coil.

If you can cook your dinner on one burner, why use two?
That's been my analogy. Would you like me to grill that steak on one 450 degree grill, or should I cut it in half and cook each half on a 225 degree grill?

In fairness though, the lower coil preheats things to some extent, so the vape is a little warmer than the raw numbers would imply. So, before I put your steak on the grills, I'll arrange them so that one is located underneath the other.
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Wish I could sell 3 pieces of cheap plastic for $8.55. I feel like making my own using Pyrex tanks (the good, old-school Pyrex, not the new junk) and stainless steel end caps.

You can. I just saw pyrex replacement tanks for the DCT for about $9 the other day. I think Hoosier has them.
 

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I've been reading and following reviews on VTube & Provari. Provari had me on everything except price, VTube had me on price only after read the reviews (people keep saying poor quality etc on VTube).
How about SS VTube? Anybody can give good and honest review between SS VTube (after use it for a while) and Provari?
Thanks in advanced :wub:
 

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Anybody can give good and honest review between SS VTube (after use it for a while) and Provari?
Thanks in advanced :wub:

As far as great, honest and detailed reviews go, I prefer PBusardo. I know he has a review for the Provari. (Basically, if you can afford to spend $200+ on this stuff, you should just buy it)
I don't know if he has a review regarding the SS.
Either way, check him out.
 

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That's been my analogy. Would you like me to grill that steak on one 450 degree grill, or should I cut it in half and cook each half on a 225 degree grill?

In fairness though, the lower coil preheats things to some extent, so the vape is a little warmer than the raw numbers would imply. So, before I put your steak on the grills, I'll arrange them so that one is located underneath the other.

You can. I just saw pyrex replacement tanks for the DCT for about $9 the other day. I think Hoosier has them.

Some student I am, stealing his teacher's analogies! I didn't know, I swear to God. :) I hope you didn't copyright it, I don't want to end up in the slammer. lol

I also think you're quite right about the lower coil "helping out" the upper coil a bit. Speaking of PBusardo, I thought I saw a chart once on his website that showed wattages that he (and/or others?) typically used on single and dual coils, and the dual coil numbers were a little less than double the wattage they liked on the single coil, which bears out your view. I've since looked and looked for that chart again, and couldn't find it.

And thanks for the heads-up on the Pyrex tanks - I'm gonna be all over that! Having the end caps machined is the easier part; the Pyrex tanks were going to be the hard part!

I've been reading and following reviews on VTube & Provari. Provari had me on everything except price, VTube had me on price only after read the reviews (people keep saying poor quality etc on VTube).
How about SS VTube? Anybody can give good and honest review between SS VTube (after use it for a while) and Provari?
Thanks in advanced :wub:

All I can tell you is that you definitely get what you pay for with the ProVari, and I have reason that the same would be true of the SS VTube, especially at that price. I don't own a Provari yet, but I will. A chrome one with a blue LED, God and ProVape willing. The ProVari just has a practically unmatched reputation for build quality, reliability, and performance. To me, it's in a class by itself. I just don't think there's anything quite like it, and I also think it's worth every penny they ask for it. Made in the USA, built like a tank, looks great, works great, hard to beat overall. The VMax might outperform it in some ways, but all in all, it's still the champ IMO.
 
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I've been reading and following reviews on VTube & Provari. Provari had me on everything except price, VTube had me on price only after read the reviews (people keep saying poor quality etc on VTube).
How about SS VTube? Anybody can give good and honest review between SS VTube (after use it for a while) and Provari?
Thanks in advanced :wub:

If you look closer at most of the Lavatube reviews, you'll see the same complaints mostly. The plastic cover coming loose from the metal battery cover. Switch failure. You don't see any of these complaints, to speak of, with the stainless or chrome models. They still have a defect rate, don't get me wrong. They're a mass produced item. But it's nothing like it was in the beginning. Even the standard aluminum ones are built better than the originals. Anyway, that's why they have a year warranty. Like most electronic stuff, if it lasts a year, it'll be good for a few more. The chrome and stainless models don't have plastic endcaps. The electronics are the same and there would have been a lot less whining about that if people didn't expect it to do what it was clearly not designed or advertised to do, namely run a 1.5ohm carto on 5 volts.

As far as the voltage drop, go to the Pbsardo site and look at the chart. The Lavatube compares very favorably with the BuzzPro with any of the resistances and voltage combinations that don't create more than a 2.5 amp draw. With a 3ohm carto, the Lavatube has less voltage drop than the Buzzpro.

The stainless Vtube has only been out a few months. The circuitry is the same as the original and there are no serious flaws in that. The body is real stainless, not plated, so nothing is going to be falling off. It's not a Provari, and it doesn't cost like a Provari. Yet it is continually compared to one.

Look at a Twist. A pair of Twists will cost you barely less than a Stainless Vtube.
The Twist tops out at 4.8 volts. The Vtube 6 volts.
The Twist is disposable. The Vtube isn't.
The 650mah Twist gets 3 hours between charges. The Vtube can get 14 hours easy.
The Twist has a readout you need a microscope to read. The Vtube has a legible LED.
The Twist has no battery indicator. The Vtube does.

I could go on and on. If you think it's unfair to compare a $30 Twist to a $50 Lavatube, then why would anyone try to compare a $50 Lavatube to a $200 Provari.

When you're looking at "reviews", you're going to hear the whiners and moaners, but mainly you'll see only reviews from when they were brand new. Now, they've been around a while and they don't create excitement. And reviewers aren't interested in last year's product. There have been thousands of Lavatubes sold under various names and the vast majority of them have been just fine.

As for Pbusardo, for as much as I like the guy, gets stuck on something and never reviews or acknowledges any revisions or improved version, no matter how significant. He did it with the vision stone tanks. Even after they became nearly perfect in the 3rd version, he wouldn't touch it and if you relied on his opinion, they are junk. If it has the same name, he won't touch it again even if it's an entirely different product. He will never review the stainless Lavatube. he's done the Lavatube, as far as he's concerned. It could evolve to be the perfect VV, or a clone of the Provari, and he still wouldn't ever review it again.

If you go to the Lavatube forum, there's plenty of information there. If there is an issue with any version, it will be discussed there. The only issue I've seen about the SS Vtube is some people feel the draw is too airy. There are simple fixes for that and I don't see a rush of people returning them over it.

If you want a head on head competition, forget it. Might as well go look for reviews to compare an Impala with a Ferrarri.
 
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