Beginners to Genesis Style Rebuildables
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RSST looks to be a good one
and cheap enough to start from.
Cobra might be a next one to look at.
there are others and also interesting ones, like
IN´AX 22 BY ATHEA
however, close to be : not possible to buy
I am still looking for it.
and cheap enough to start from.
Cobra might be a next one to look at.
there are others and also interesting ones, like
IN´AX 22 BY ATHEA
however, close to be : not possible to buy
I am still looking for it.
The rsst is a decent genny to start with. I have one and still use it. The air hole is small and prob want to drill it larger depending on how you like your draw. The coil is easy to build with the spring center post and screw negative post.
Check out Phil's video.
A PBusardo Review - Smoktech RSST Genesis Atomizer - YouTube
Check out Phil's video.
A PBusardo Review - Smoktech RSST Genesis Atomizer - YouTube
I have a Siam cobra and definately dont think its a beginners genny. The wick hole is very small. I allso have one of the 80 magneto inax devices from athea that were sold by vapist. This definately is a beginners device. So easy to set up, no wicking problems, no leaking... this thing has got me totally back into gennys.. I just bought a pandora shadow from sturm. Great small device.
Things that work: hellfire's, Nahual and anything from Rocket science.
Things that work: hellfire's, Nahual and anything from Rocket science.
YMMV, but I'm not a fan of Genesis-style RBA's. I found the stainless steel mesh difficult to work with and sometimes cause the vapor to have a metalic taste. They require tilting (Genny-Tilt) every time you vape. They leak if not kept in an upright position (not an out-&-about tank). Between a Kayfun-style RTA, Genesis-style RTA, and a rebuildable dripper...the Genny would be last on my list. I'm surprised that these are still popular at all.
I have a pyrex RSST that I used as a starter RBA. Simple to build but as stated previously, you may want to drill out the air hole a bit. 
I'll vote for the RSST here, I love it, and it's still my full time vape. I find it very easy to set up and it give me great flavor and vapor. As for making mesh wicks I found that quite easy and straightforward. I roll up wicks for fun sometimes. The RSST has some very nice features, an insulated wick hole which makes coil heating happen from both ends at the same time, much more efficient, and the spring capture on the positive post is very nice, makes locking down the positive leg of your coil a snap, and the positive post is adjustable up and down, which is pretty nice for getting good contact with your mod. Also the tank isn't metal at the bottom so you don't have to worry about your wick grounding out on it.
My first RBA was an AGA-T2, and I would not recommend it for beginners, it's a cantankerous device and the thumbscrews on the positive are a hassle to deal with and they come loose quite easily. Also the flavor is lacking compared to the RSST. That said, it was a good teacher for building a genesis RBA, if you can handle an AGA-T2 you should be able to deal with anything.
There are those who cannot get a genny working right no matter what they do, and I'll never understand why. I never got that metallic taste some complain of and I find mesh quite easy to work with. Wrapping coils on a genny is pretty much a snap, but you have to make sure you work out the hot spots on the coil. This is best done on a dry wick before you put juice in the tank. I use a dental pick for this, and very gently nudge the coil loops while pulsing the coil until it's glowing uniformly top to bottom. You also have to oxidize your wick properly with a torch before rolling it up.
For the RSST wicks I start with a piece of 400 mesh, 3 in. x 1 3/8 in. Torch this well on both sides, do a thin fold-over on the end I'll be rolling toward, then use a straightned out heavy paper clip to get it started rolling up. PBusardo shows how to do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnuYJeoS6Fc
Watch how he makes his wick in this video, it's a good starter guide. I prefer to oxidize mine more than he does, but then he also uses the pulse method in which he oxidizes the wick with the coil after building.
Phil looked into genesis RBA's quite seriously and finally got it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xmYklqnQ0M
There are some who never get comfortable with gennies, and happily for them there are many other options.
My first RBA was an AGA-T2, and I would not recommend it for beginners, it's a cantankerous device and the thumbscrews on the positive are a hassle to deal with and they come loose quite easily. Also the flavor is lacking compared to the RSST. That said, it was a good teacher for building a genesis RBA, if you can handle an AGA-T2 you should be able to deal with anything.
There are those who cannot get a genny working right no matter what they do, and I'll never understand why. I never got that metallic taste some complain of and I find mesh quite easy to work with. Wrapping coils on a genny is pretty much a snap, but you have to make sure you work out the hot spots on the coil. This is best done on a dry wick before you put juice in the tank. I use a dental pick for this, and very gently nudge the coil loops while pulsing the coil until it's glowing uniformly top to bottom. You also have to oxidize your wick properly with a torch before rolling it up.
For the RSST wicks I start with a piece of 400 mesh, 3 in. x 1 3/8 in. Torch this well on both sides, do a thin fold-over on the end I'll be rolling toward, then use a straightned out heavy paper clip to get it started rolling up. PBusardo shows how to do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnuYJeoS6Fc
Watch how he makes his wick in this video, it's a good starter guide. I prefer to oxidize mine more than he does, but then he also uses the pulse method in which he oxidizes the wick with the coil after building.
Phil looked into genesis RBA's quite seriously and finally got it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xmYklqnQ0M
There are some who never get comfortable with gennies, and happily for them there are many other options.
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No need for drilling on the RSST. The newest version comes with an adjustable airflow cap!
Dual Coil Pyrex RSST
Dual Coil Pyrex RSST
Adjustable airflow would be nice on the single coil, but they don't offer it on that. I've tried dual coils, but found that it wasn't really worth it. It drains the battery a lot faster and the vapor/flavor gain was just not worth the extra effort and battery drain for me.
The first build in a genny will be your longest build. The RSST or Pyrex RSST is the best beginner's genny for both ease of build (insulated wick holes and positive lead capture) and price point. The AGA T+ or T2 is also a good beginner's genny, but that is only because of price point, not ease of building (the thumb screw/nut thingys suck).
Definitely choose a day where you have at least an hour of free time to do your first build on your genny. I found for my first build, building with a stiffly rolled piece of mesh makes it easier to get use to wrapping around a mesh wick. The most frustrating part will be working out the shorts on your first build. But if you follow PBusardo's genesis videos, he is really good at explaining how to build the mesh genny. I prefer the torch method. The pulse method with an untorched wick just means a whole lotta shorts to work out. Just don't get turned off if you don't work out the shorts in a matter of a few pulses, even after you've torched your wick and wrapped your coil. My first build took more than 30 minutes of pulsing to finally fire correctly. Don't skimp on the torch time.
Really make sure you torch the mesh well before and after you roll it. That'll save you some shorts to work out. When you wrap your coil, make sure the coils are not touching each other and are relatively evenly spaced.
After you get through your first build, you'll find the genesis vapes really, I mean REALLY, well!! It gives you a clean, crisp vape that you won't find with the bottom feeding attys (like Kayfuns).
Also, as you gain some experience with them, build time drastically diminishes. I rebuild my RSST in no longer than 15 minutes now. And I've been using it for a bit over a month. I spend extra time in really torching my mesh well, which reduces the shorts and wrap my coil by anchoring the negative lead, then rotating the atty around to wrap upwards. And nowadays, I use a hollow ss mesh wick. It's held firm so I can wrap the coil via a 5/64 drill bit that I stick into the hollow wick for rigidity.
With regards to leaks, if you've built a wick that fits snugly in the wick hole and use the fill hole plug, you really don't get leaks with normal use. Just don't lay your device sideways or stick it in your pocket upside down. The genny tilt is only necessary for me when the tank has less than a quarter tank left or I'm really jonesing for a cigarette and am chain vaping it like mad.
Good luck and I'm sure you'll love the final product vape that comes from a Genesis atty.
Definitely choose a day where you have at least an hour of free time to do your first build on your genny. I found for my first build, building with a stiffly rolled piece of mesh makes it easier to get use to wrapping around a mesh wick. The most frustrating part will be working out the shorts on your first build. But if you follow PBusardo's genesis videos, he is really good at explaining how to build the mesh genny. I prefer the torch method. The pulse method with an untorched wick just means a whole lotta shorts to work out. Just don't get turned off if you don't work out the shorts in a matter of a few pulses, even after you've torched your wick and wrapped your coil. My first build took more than 30 minutes of pulsing to finally fire correctly. Don't skimp on the torch time.
Really make sure you torch the mesh well before and after you roll it. That'll save you some shorts to work out. When you wrap your coil, make sure the coils are not touching each other and are relatively evenly spaced.
After you get through your first build, you'll find the genesis vapes really, I mean REALLY, well!! It gives you a clean, crisp vape that you won't find with the bottom feeding attys (like Kayfuns).
Also, as you gain some experience with them, build time drastically diminishes. I rebuild my RSST in no longer than 15 minutes now. And I've been using it for a bit over a month. I spend extra time in really torching my mesh well, which reduces the shorts and wrap my coil by anchoring the negative lead, then rotating the atty around to wrap upwards. And nowadays, I use a hollow ss mesh wick. It's held firm so I can wrap the coil via a 5/64 drill bit that I stick into the hollow wick for rigidity.
With regards to leaks, if you've built a wick that fits snugly in the wick hole and use the fill hole plug, you really don't get leaks with normal use. Just don't lay your device sideways or stick it in your pocket upside down. The genny tilt is only necessary for me when the tank has less than a quarter tank left or I'm really jonesing for a cigarette and am chain vaping it like mad.
Good luck and I'm sure you'll love the final product vape that comes from a Genesis atty.
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That must be quite new. I bought one the other day on suggestions here in the forum. I have searched high and low but have been unable to find a tutorial on rebuilding the RSST dual coil. Do you know of any other tutorial videos that might be a similar build? Oh, and I want to have a cotton wick.
I think it was released on the 1st of this month. I think Madvapes is the only one that has them right now.
I always use ss mesh and have no reason to ever want to try anything else but I have seen a few videos talking about a micro coil/cotton setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxDrHFoZbnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1f7vPpEeN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhtoeZKqmpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagnsVTWbdg
Yeah, I have seen 2 of those videos but can't find anything where someone does a dual coil setup. I guess I just make both coils the same based on the videos.
The UD AGA-T2 has an easy to build deck but no adjustable airflow and the thumb screws are an issue for some.
The Zen Z-Atty U also has an easy deck to work with but uses allen head screws to trap the coil.
Steam boy makes some nice genesis atomizers the Storm Rider 2.1 if you like the look.
Maurice
The Zen Z-Atty U also has an easy deck to work with but uses allen head screws to trap the coil.
Steam boy makes some nice genesis atomizers the Storm Rider 2.1 if you like the look.
Maurice
I bought a Kraken (no clone) this past weekend, only my 14th day of vaping, I am loving the "genesis style" atty!! But this morning I have developed a hot-spot issue??
Your coil might indeed have a hot spot. When you get your wick coiled and before you put juice into the tank is the time to work out hot spots, and I do this with a dental pick, very gently nudging the coil loops while pulsing the button. Once you have the coil glowing uniformly from top to bottom you are good to go. I find this is much easier on the RSST because it has an insulated wick hole and the coil heats from both ends at the same time. I've not used a Kraken, so I can't speak to that atty, but it is one I've thought of getting.
MANY THANKS for the assistance brother!
Here are some very rough Macro's I took free-hand at our Hotel on Sunday night, but the coil is still in the same position, yet now has a hotspot at the top BAD ??
Actually I'm a sister. I didn't realize you were using silica for your wick. That's a rather different proposition. I use mesh and have never used silica in my RBA's. Not even sure how that works, of if it's even a hot spot you are having trouble with. You can get them with mesh wicks, but I'm not sure about silica.
Just remember that with dual coils you will end up with half the ohms. Two 1.2 ohm coils will come out to 0.6 ohms.
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