Best cigalike system?
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I hate it more than anything I have bought since after the first month of being on the forum. It is the only thing that really disturbs me that I did buy.
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1. It is muted in flavor. I later saw a number of people suggesting upping the nic and flavor content just for this device. Not a problem for the cigalikes already in my hands.
2. It had less hit and vapor production than cigalikes already in my possession.
3. The assembled device it self is fragile. You cannot just drop one in a shirt pocket and carry a box with out the flexing causing a leak. Only device I have seen with this issue.
4. I should have know better as the numbers do not add up. 3.7v regulated in a device that sags more when subjected to equal ohms cannot put out more watts. What people were claiming would only work if there was some other efficiency going on. There isn't.
5. I cannot find a single area where it is the equal of some of the cartomizer using cigalikes.
6. The PCC is often given as a claim to make up for some of its short comings but that only makes it a larger bulkier package. Carrying 4 cigalikes is easier and you get better performance in all areas of measure.
7. I have seen it claimed to be the hardest hitting, best producing of the breed, dawnbella has found things that out perform it in its size class. When I asked what it was compared to things using LiFePo4 cells. These will actually have less hit than older devices. The reason for using those cells is to be able to claim more mAh. They are not capable of putting out much amperage so its claim to fame is how it performs next to LiFePo4 cells, that is ridiculous. It seems to be riding a wave of hype based on 0 comparison to things that can perform. I should have seen the math didn't make sense and if I would have dug a little more I would have seen others say the same exact things I found when comparing it to other things. I really hate it because I was a sucker that want to believe in this miracle device.
Once I had four of then and was trying to figure out what it was getting outperformed by a desk full things I started uncovered all the same things said by others that matched what I found in testing. The deficiencies that are known seem to get glossed over most of the time.
I ended up feeling like I had a big S branded on my forehead that stood for sucker. It was a step backwards in every measure I can think of to what I was already using.
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It will be a step up from your Blu kit. Your Blu kit runs at 3.2v and does those batteries cannot carry much of a load and sag when subjected to lower ohms. Going low might not be safe with them.
One way to tell if the batteries are sagging (this alone does not tell the whole story as all batteries sag but to different degree's). If you lower the ohms and you cannot tell a difference it can be that batteries are sagging enough that you are not creating more watts at the coil.
All batteries are not created equal, some have higher c ratings, some can discharge faster while being safe than others and so on. There would be a lot to cover in a single post.
It will take a little while but it helps to start learning what the numbers mean and don't mean.
A lot of times people want to compare mAh, that in itself is not a bad thing, better mAh all else being equal is a good thing. The question then is did they have to give up anything to get it?
When numbers start not making sense there can be a learning opportunity. The numbers might not make sense because the right comparisons were not made, it could be because there is something else going on that you didn't consider. That is a learning opportunity and you will come away with a better understanding of how things work if you figure it out. Sometimes seeing comparisons can be a dangerous thing if you don't think it though. A is doing better than B, you then need to ask your self is B being compared at it's weakest attribute? Is B actually the standard to beat in the first place? If someone says A beats B in attributes X, Y, and Z it does not mean it will be items C, D, and E. The next thing to do is ask how it compares to C, D, and E. Just because it beats B does not mean it can beat C, D, and E, especially if E is a high drain device with a good C-rating that can handle twice as many amps.
Sometimes you can find something declared the best because it was compared to B and won but no one bothered to collect the data on how it compared to device D, and E which were the unknown standard bearers when it comes to the numbers and raw capability.
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Cigalikes will always have short comings over larger devices. Well some of those short comings even though will be behind might by minimized.
At cigalike will not be able to have as many mAh because it is smaller.
It's juice carrying capacity cannot be increased without making it larger.
It does not vape the same because it produces less watts.
Size is a factor on mAh but not the only factor. There is also a tendency to invest more in the batteries of larger cells and cigalike batteries do not always got the same quality so it can be a double whammy of lower grade cells and smaller cells. Economies of scale are going to make the ones that have better cells more expensive than they otherwise would be.
Juice capacity is what it is for now. We can add a large tank, but we have a larger package.
Watts, I think this part of the problem can be solved with existing technology. Runtime and juice capacity will be a factor still but not the production of watts.
The guys who want the largest clouds might disagree but for many users they have a sweet spot.
I rarely much past 5v on my Provari, I also never push it to the amp limit.
The thing for the cigalike is cost. If watts are one of the cigalikes weaknesses vs larger devices it cannot be eliminated but the gap can be closed.
Your typical eGo is not a high drain battery, a high drain battery in a cigalike can produce 2.5 amps, that is the same as a typical eGo.
If they started cramming in batteries with the highest c-ratings that exist into a cigalike it will start to perform closer to a large PV. Of course the large PV's with the absolute best batteries if the circuit can handle it would be even able to do more but there is a limit in how many watts many of us want to vape at.
I only know of one high drain battery in a cigalike, there might be a couple of more out there.
The reason I don't think we will see the best battery technologies out there going into cigalikes is cost comparisons. Many people will gravitate to the one that is $1.00 cheaper. Even with economies of scale the best current technologies cost more but it does not have to be a staggering amount more.
Since people will buy the $1.00 cheaper battery assuming they are the same the economies of scale never happen so the low production not quite state of the art batteries are our better ones.
I think if we could stick the best battery technology into a cigalike it would walk way from an current eGo twist with ease but there is a financial cost to it. It will not walk away from it in runtime or juice capacity but in watt production.
There is no way that a 3.7v battery that can only do 1amp can close the gap with another battery that can do 2.5amps in watt production and that is one of the three short comings of cigalikes compared to large PV's.
At cigalike will not be able to have as many mAh because it is smaller.
It's juice carrying capacity cannot be increased without making it larger.
It does not vape the same because it produces less watts.
Size is a factor on mAh but not the only factor. There is also a tendency to invest more in the batteries of larger cells and cigalike batteries do not always got the same quality so it can be a double whammy of lower grade cells and smaller cells. Economies of scale are going to make the ones that have better cells more expensive than they otherwise would be.
Juice capacity is what it is for now. We can add a large tank, but we have a larger package.
Watts, I think this part of the problem can be solved with existing technology. Runtime and juice capacity will be a factor still but not the production of watts.
The guys who want the largest clouds might disagree but for many users they have a sweet spot.
I rarely much past 5v on my Provari, I also never push it to the amp limit.
The thing for the cigalike is cost. If watts are one of the cigalikes weaknesses vs larger devices it cannot be eliminated but the gap can be closed.
Your typical eGo is not a high drain battery, a high drain battery in a cigalike can produce 2.5 amps, that is the same as a typical eGo.
If they started cramming in batteries with the highest c-ratings that exist into a cigalike it will start to perform closer to a large PV. Of course the large PV's with the absolute best batteries if the circuit can handle it would be even able to do more but there is a limit in how many watts many of us want to vape at.
I only know of one high drain battery in a cigalike, there might be a couple of more out there.
The reason I don't think we will see the best battery technologies out there going into cigalikes is cost comparisons. Many people will gravitate to the one that is $1.00 cheaper. Even with economies of scale the best current technologies cost more but it does not have to be a staggering amount more.
Since people will buy the $1.00 cheaper battery assuming they are the same the economies of scale never happen so the low production not quite state of the art batteries are our better ones.
I think if we could stick the best battery technology into a cigalike it would walk way from an current eGo twist with ease but there is a financial cost to it. It will not walk away from it in runtime or juice capacity but in watt production.
There is no way that a 3.7v battery that can only do 1amp can close the gap with another battery that can do 2.5amps in watt production and that is one of the three short comings of cigalikes compared to large PV's.
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JJOOHHNN, you seem to have done extensive research on the topic of cig-a-likes and their performance. What, in your opinion, is the best one out there? Could you provide the manufacturer, model, and version (if applicable)?
I am currently looking for a very good cig-a-like for use while riding my motorcycle. I used to smoke while riding (open faced helmet of course), but since switching over to vaping, I have not found a suitable cig-a-like that works for me in this scenario. Sadly, my eVic and VTR are far to big, bulky, and heavy to just leave them dangling from my lips while riding. I was highly considering the eRoll, but after reading your posts in this thread I think that is now out.
Thanks for all the good info!
I am currently looking for a very good cig-a-like for use while riding my motorcycle. I used to smoke while riding (open faced helmet of course), but since switching over to vaping, I have not found a suitable cig-a-like that works for me in this scenario. Sadly, my eVic and VTR are far to big, bulky, and heavy to just leave them dangling from my lips while riding. I was highly considering the eRoll, but after reading your posts in this thread I think that is now out.
Thanks for all the good info!
I know you are trying to pre-empt "cigalikes suck" type posts by explaining why you are interested in them for a specific reason. But if you will allow me, let me say that cigalikes suck. 
And the truth is, Egos also suck. Egos are good cheap starter devices, and they are popular because they sell a lot. They break often and have high markup so brick and mortar stores carry lots of them. One time years ago, a friend of mine who was a heavier smoker than me bought a cigalike system and I made fun of him constantly for a dorky version of something meant to be dangerous and cool. I feel bad for that now, but that's just where I was at the time. A cigarette is an unconscious way to show you are too cool to care you are killing yourself. A cigalike feels like you are pretending to be that cool, like a kid with those old candy cigarettes that are illegal now (I think). It's like ordering a shirley temple while your friends take shots. It's a toy with a little light on the end.
Where I'm going with this is that I personally think that devices should be "a different thing" from cigarettes. When a smoker looks at someone with a cigalike, they think "who are you kidding", but they do not think that when they see someone with a mod, it's just a different thing they are doing, and is not judged the same way. Proper mods can be very cool and masculine, especially a good mechanical mod. My suggestion is instead of getting your husband a "toy cigarette" get him a bigger, better (manlier mod that he can use with pride while his buddies are smoking.
TL;DR I would be embarrassed to use a cigalike infront of real smokers. But have no problem using this: imgur: the simple image sharer
And the truth is, Egos also suck. Egos are good cheap starter devices, and they are popular because they sell a lot. They break often and have high markup so brick and mortar stores carry lots of them. One time years ago, a friend of mine who was a heavier smoker than me bought a cigalike system and I made fun of him constantly for a dorky version of something meant to be dangerous and cool. I feel bad for that now, but that's just where I was at the time. A cigarette is an unconscious way to show you are too cool to care you are killing yourself. A cigalike feels like you are pretending to be that cool, like a kid with those old candy cigarettes that are illegal now (I think). It's like ordering a shirley temple while your friends take shots. It's a toy with a little light on the end.
Where I'm going with this is that I personally think that devices should be "a different thing" from cigarettes. When a smoker looks at someone with a cigalike, they think "who are you kidding", but they do not think that when they see someone with a mod, it's just a different thing they are doing, and is not judged the same way. Proper mods can be very cool and masculine, especially a good mechanical mod. My suggestion is instead of getting your husband a "toy cigarette" get him a bigger, better (manlier
mod that he can use with pride while his buddies are smoking.TL;DR I would be embarrassed to use a cigalike infront of real smokers. But have no problem using this: imgur: the simple image sharer
I know you are trying to pre-empt "cigalikes suck" type posts by explaining why you are interested in them for a specific reason. But if you will allow me, let me say that cigalikes suck.
And the truth is, Egos also suck. Egos are good cheap starter devices, and they are popular because they sell a lot. They break often and have high markup so brick and mortar stores carry lots of them. One time years ago, a friend of mine who was a heavier smoker than me bought a cigalike system and I made fun of him constantly for a dorky version of something meant to be dangerous and cool. I feel bad for that now, but that's just where I was at the time. A cigarette is an unconscious way to show you are too cool to care you are killing yourself. A cigalike feels like you are pretending to be that cool, like a kid with those old candy cigarettes that are illegal now (I think). It's like ordering a shirley temple while your friends take shots. It's a toy with a little light on the end.
Where I'm going with this is that I personally think that devices should be "a different thing" from cigarettes. When a smoker looks at someone with a cigalike, they think "who are you kidding", but they do not think that when they see someone with a mod, it's just a different thing they are doing, and is not judged the same way. Proper mods can be very cool and masculine, especially a good mechanical mod. My suggestion is instead of getting your husband a "toy cigarette" get him a bigger, better (manlier
TL;DR I would be embarrassed to use a cigalike infront of real smokers. But have no problem using this: imgur: the simple image sharer
Dude ... you care about what people think of yourself too much.
We've all grown up from that.
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I know you are trying to pre-empt "cigalikes suck" type posts by explaining why you are interested in them for a specific reason. But if you will allow me, let me say that cigalikes suck.
And the truth is, Egos also suck. Egos are good cheap starter devices, and they are popular because they sell a lot. They break often and have high markup so brick and mortar stores carry lots of them. One time years ago, a friend of mine who was a heavier smoker than me bought a cigalike system and I made fun of him constantly for a dorky version of something meant to be dangerous and cool. I feel bad for that now, but that's just where I was at the time. A cigarette is an unconscious way to show you are too cool to care you are killing yourself. A cigalike feels like you are pretending to be that cool, like a kid with those old candy cigarettes that are illegal now (I think). It's like ordering a shirley temple while your friends take shots. It's a toy with a little light on the end.
Where I'm going with this is that I personally think that devices should be "a different thing" from cigarettes. When a smoker looks at someone with a cigalike, they think "who are you kidding", but they do not think that when they see someone with a mod, it's just a different thing they are doing, and is not judged the same way. Proper mods can be very cool and masculine, especially a good mechanical mod. My suggestion is instead of getting your husband a "toy cigarette" get him a bigger, better (manlier
TL;DR I would be embarrassed to use a cigalike infront of real smokers. But have no problem using this: imgur: the simple image sharer
Hey GunArm,
I know you are trying to be helpful here, but the OP specifically stated that her husband REQUESTED a cig-a-like setup. The OP further went on to say that the eGo setup her husband currently has is fine for use at home. If he uses an eGo at home and won't use one when he is out and instead want's a cig-a-like, what makes you think he will even consider using a bigger, badder, mod? The most basic rule of vaping is "use what works for you", and if a cigalike works for him, lets help the OP find her husband the one that will work the best.
Vaping is a very personal experience, and while a high end mod may be the best solution for you, it may not be for someone else. Please take the time to read and understand what someone is asking for before jumping in with advice and counter-opinions in the future.
HTH!
Im on the big mods now (provari or zmax with carto tanks) but i started with white cloud. I still miss some of the flavors. I havent tried any other cigalikes but id go back to white cloud if i had no other options. Got me off analogs pretty quick and painless
I gave all my WC stuff to my mom but i keep thinking i ought to buy a few flings for backup to my backup to my backups. Lol
I gave all my WC stuff to my mom but i keep thinking i ought to buy a few flings for backup to my backup to my backups. Lol
What worked for me, not saying it will help your husband. I started on a ego 1100 Battery and a Kanger mini protank 2 . When I had the nic monkey for a real cig hit I found the Boge carto single coil 2.0 ohms filled the real cig threat. Now I only have issues if I see someone in Tv or movies lighting up.
Another vote for the volt from smokless image. It is what i use when i go out to the bars and don't want to look like i am using a medical device.
I should have checked this thread sooner! Thanks for all the suggestions, and the info on batteries. I like to tinker, and for me at least, I can see this turning into a hobby. The battery information was quite interesting.
I get the desire to NOT be vaping from something that looks like a cigarette. Personally, I have enjoyed explaining my cheap little ego to anyone who winds up curious about it. My husband however, doesn't want to talk to anyone. He doesn't want questions asked, and he doesn't want to talk to strangers. People ask what I'm doing all the time when I'm vaping. This is what he wants to avoid. Really, I think some of the appeal of cigarettes for him has always been that they drive people AWAY from him. Those who don't want second hand smoke anyway. A bigger, badder, mod is going to draw more attention to him then the ego. Also, as another previous poster mentioned here, I don't think he's quite ready to give up cigs entirely. He'd never say as much to me, but I'm sure some of that is there. He doesn't like to tinker either. He's a chef, he's great with knives, but not so great with a screwdriver. That would be me. As far as the expensive stuff goes for him, I'm looking for something that'll vape.. eh... actual plants.... That's something he'll get into, and even then, if anything goes wrong it'll be me doing the troubleshooting and fixing.
I'll look into the Volt and others that people have mentioned. Good thing someone spoke up about the eroll, as I was seriously considering that one for him. Now I know not to waste my money on it!
I get the desire to NOT be vaping from something that looks like a cigarette. Personally, I have enjoyed explaining my cheap little ego to anyone who winds up curious about it. My husband however, doesn't want to talk to anyone. He doesn't want questions asked, and he doesn't want to talk to strangers. People ask what I'm doing all the time when I'm vaping. This is what he wants to avoid. Really, I think some of the appeal of cigarettes for him has always been that they drive people AWAY from him. Those who don't want second hand smoke anyway. A bigger, badder, mod is going to draw more attention to him then the ego. Also, as another previous poster mentioned here, I don't think he's quite ready to give up cigs entirely. He'd never say as much to me, but I'm sure some of that is there. He doesn't like to tinker either. He's a chef, he's great with knives, but not so great with a screwdriver. That would be me. As far as the expensive stuff goes for him, I'm looking for something that'll vape.. eh... actual plants.... That's something he'll get into, and even then, if anything goes wrong it'll be me doing the troubleshooting and fixing.
I'll look into the Volt and others that people have mentioned. Good thing someone spoke up about the eroll, as I was seriously considering that one for him. Now I know not to waste my money on it!
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