best hit with less power

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You are all wrong... An LR901 with an AW 2900mAh 18650 is blatantly the best! Oh hang on i only use that about half my vaping time maybe less so a KR808D-1 with an 1800mAh 17670 is best but that is on a GGTB (no AVS yet) so probably doesn't count.
Joking aside, the best setup is the one that works for you and i think if you are happy to pay the cost of a GGTS&AVS then maybe it would be worthwhile spending a little time and a little more money to try a few battery/atty/carto combinations to see what is best for you.
Apollogies for format/spelling but i am posting on my mobilet from work while vaping on my second best GGTB KR808 combo ;)
 

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if best hit equals cost, then it would be cartos unless you're getting attys in bulk at a good price. attys for me still last for months, so the cost turns around after a little bit, plus i have yet to use a carto that offered the "hit" from an atty at a similar resistance.


if less power implies lower volts, then i'd say an 18650 from AW, panasonic, and redilast are probably the best in the GGTS. an 18650 can still offer slightly above 3.7V under load, for well over a day regardless of the atomizer/ carto combination. no smaller batteries, whether stacked for 6V or 7.4V or alone at 3.7V can do this.

the subjective part comes into whether you like attys or cartos, low resistance, standard resistance, or high resistance, and where you find your sweet spot and with what options are available to meet that demand. i vape at 7.4V with two aw IMR16340 batteries and a 5.2 ohm 901 most often in my GGTS, but when i want all day vaping out and about i go with an LR atty and an AW 17670 or 18650 battery.
 

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I agree BuGG, sweet spot is what we want. I made this excel sheet to shaw that the best hit depends on more watts and the less power depends on current that goes via battery. Also I include the atomizer's life to this sheet. The result is that 7,4 volts with a 4,6 ohm atty is the best combination for big hit with less current and good atomizer life. This isnt what all people have to do, its just a sheet so people will know what they will choose depending on their needs.
 

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I need at least 2-3 batteries 18650 for my vaping needs per day Uke. But the fact is that everyone has different needs so he can always look at the excel sheet that I made to take the info he wants









Vaping time calculator


Battery 3000 mah

Inhaling time 4 sec

Vaping style 3,7 volts

Atomizer 1,5 ohms

Inhales 4 per min

Brakes 2 per hour

Brake lasts 15 mins

Battery will last for 6,84 Hours !


6,84 hours is not an all day vaping if you follow this values uke.:)


ps.... I copied those values to the vaping time calculator and I paste them here.
 
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this is focused on the HV area vs. the fact that with an 18650 and a 1.8 Ohm LR 510, you can vape all day long....

i'm with you, ukeman, i can do that or 1.5 ohm atty and be satisfied almost 90% of the time, but imeo's sweet spot is close to 12 watts and that requires stacking batteries in the GG. ordinarily this would be a shorter vape time because of smaller batteries, and probably a shorter atty life at that voltage, but if he's stacking 18650s then it's a fair game! :D
 

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i like this spreadsheet, but it doesn't take into account a battery's real mAh (often not what's on the sticker), and it doesn't take into account the realest mAh which is dependent upon the amp draw or how hard the battery is being run, and if it is even able to keep up or not. all batteries aren't created equal, though most 18650s will have the required drain rate for a low resistance atomizer, none of them will actually offer 3000 mAh with a 2.5A draw that a 1.5 ohm LR atty wants. if there is a way to account for the amp draw on the discharge rate, then account for the variance in vapeable voltage during the cycle of a battery, i.e what voltage does it start off at under load, how long does it stay there, at 3.7, at 3.5, at 3.2, etc...before cut-off, which dictates the amp draw from the atty at each stage and for how long, then we'd be getting more accurate numbers. i'm not sure how to even do that, but it seems the best way to account for battery life with a particular atty/carto configuration is to throw the juice in the avs, pop in a fresh battery, refill to the top if/when necessary, and vape until the atty no longer vapes due to decreased voltage. then we'll know how many mL of juice we can expect from a particular battery, and that will be much more universal and applicable to everyone than just saying 6 hours, or all day, or two days. the mAh ratings on most of the batteries are a joke, and most batteries under the size of 18650 are stressed beyond intended use with a LR atty to begin with. this impacts their runtime and the quality of the vape. taken all together, there may not be anyway to really nail a formula for this stuff, but if you know the few batteries that actually can discharge safely to meet the demands of the atomizer, test their real mAh up against their stated specs, and then run them at 2.5Amps and various degrees lower according to battery cycle and atomizer resistances, we'll ultimately know from the amount of juice consumed how long that battery is good for. for example if i vape 6mL a day, i can do it easily with an AW2900 mAh and LR 1.5 atty, but if i only vaped 3mL a day, i could go two or three days with this battery.

maybe rob will throw all his AW batts (IMRs at 14500 and 16340, protected ICR at every size bigger) on his CBA III and get real mAh ratings at 2.5A, or 1.6A for a Joye 510 atty, roughly 1.2Amps for a 901, a little less for a penstyle, and lower still for an HV or XHV atty. then take those numbers, graphs, etc., load up the GGTS and AVS and translate the values into actual juice vaped. the amount of time it took him to do it would be secondary to what he was actually able to do...then the rest of us might have better ideas, or at least spreadsheets as to what we can get out of a given battery. :D

p.s. only threw rob's name out there because i know he has a battery analyzer, but don't expect him to start monitoring his vaping for battery life research. :D:vapor::vapor::vapor::vapor:8-o
 

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This sheet doesnt take into account the battery because we meassure always same things buddy, so same batteries. Otherwise it would be like meassuring apples and oranges. We try same batteries with same atomizers at the same contitions. (atomizers dont play a big role here, maybe thin wired or fat wired have a small role).

So if a person uses always 18650 or cr123 batteries from trustfire then this sheet is what he wants. Same if he uses AW batteries.:)
 
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