Beta Carboline MAOIs - towards a more effective e-liquid

[tceight]

It sure doesn't match his vision as I read the declaration of independence....but then I'm reading from my taught models so I could be wrong too

lol, exactly! how can bug ridden software, analyze itself to determine if it's running programs correctly? So we turn to other equally but differently buggy programs to analyze ours.

 

[HeatherC]

HMMM maybe I'm not as screwed up as I think I am.....LOL

 

[tceight]

How bad is one cig a day?
Seems like this is working for me like a charm. That one cig that I have tried in two different days (one a few days ago and one today) in the mid morning, seems to be giving me all I'm missing for the day.
I think the reason it is giving such a good effect has to do with the fact that my lungs have cleared up from all the tars and can absorb all the missing stuff very efficiently.
As long as I get the desired bowel movement, I will be a happy man, which this is doing it for me.

it is hard to find information on this.
A recent European study found the risk of the major smoking-related cancers for occasional smokers was 1.24 times that of those who don't smoke. But, statistics is a tough thing to nail down and have factors of confidence intervals.. for this study the confidence interval is 95 % meaning the ratio is somewhere between 0.8 and 2 times the risk.
Really tough to define what 'occasional' means too.
Smoking related disease epidemiological research is one of the most biased fields I have ever looked at, to the point where I wouldn't call much of it science at all because the whole intent of the study's seems to be to find what they are looking to find. Well, of COURSE you are going to find correlations that you look for in anything.

discussing this with an MD friend I know, he doesn't normally consider smoking less than 15 a day as a factor in presentation of respiratory illness unless there are other co-factors. As he put it, you have to have damned good lung function and strong overall health to be able to smoke with any kind of pleasure.
My personal opinion,if I were at one cig a day, there are lots of other facets of my life that I would consider far more important to address health wise.

 

[tceight]

HMMM maybe I'm not as screwed up as I think I am.....LOL

people that THINK they are normal, are the ones I fear the most.... they tend to be the ones to become fanatical, start wars, etc.
I'm fortunate to be just intelligent enough to know how dumb I really am.

 

[HeatherC]

Now THAT I can relate to

 

[BCB]

Getting back to our close association with other primates, especially the great apes, I've always thought that ONE reason we like smoking (and vaping) has to do with something we do called "mock feeding." When excited or agitated or stressed, we all stick stuff in our mouths even though we aren't hungry. It's why movie theaters sell so much popcorn and football stadiums sell hot dogs and peanuts to a bunch of people who aren't hungry. I once saw a fascinating movie showing an angry gorilla who was just ripping off leaves randomly from nearby bushes and stuffing his mouth. Looked just like me. I also think that's one reason people adjust so well to vaping over other stop-smoking methods. We still get to do "mock feeding." PS I'm a fan of Sapolsky. He always makes me laugh. Thanks for the video.

 

[tceight]

Getting back to our close association with other primates, especially the great apes, I've always thought that ONE reason we like smoking (and vaping) has to do with something we do called "mock feeding." When excited or agitated or stressed, we all stick stuff in our mouths even though we aren't hungry. It's why movie theaters sell so much popcorn and football stadiums sell hot dogs and peanuts to a bunch of people who aren't hungry. I once saw a fascinating movie showing an angry gorilla who was just ripping off leaves randomly from nearby bushes and stuffing his mouth. Looked just like me. I also think that's one reason people adjust so well to vaping over other stop-smoking methods. We still get to do "mock feeding." PS I'm a fan of Sapolsky. He always makes me laugh. Thanks for the video.

couldn't agree more, and it extends to every facet of our modern lives.
as I said in post 306 "In our society dominated by commercialism, anxiety level's are manipulated to maximise sales. Look at MSM, and it's focus on creating fearful states. Anxious people are apt to eat and drink compulsively, to distract themselves with spoon fed 'entertainment', like TV, movies, etc. to assuage low esteem through purchase of status symbols, even assuming horrendous debt's to do so, which drives even more anxiety."

 

[HeatherC]

Mock feeding is very good...I like it

 

[kinabaloo]

couldn't agree more, and it extends to every facet of our modern lives.
as I said in post 306 "In our society dominated by commercialism, anxiety level's are manipulated to maximise sales. Look at MSM, and it's focus on creating fearful states. Anxious people are apt to eat and drink compulsively, to distract themselves with spoon fed 'entertainment', like TV, movies, etc. to assuage low esteem through purchase of status symbols, even assuming horrendous debt's to do so, which drives even more anxiety."

Succinct synopsis.

Back on the previous point ... following a tabasco blast I found the right words ...

Adapting to the world aound us does not imply conformity, but it does imply seeing clearly.

Unhappiness lies in focus on the 'should be'. The way to happiness starts by focus on the 'what is'.

 

[kinabaloo]

I see more the corollary of that in there.

Mr Freezie..... difinitely a concentration method.
I did the separation, it would not cleave, but I washed the top layer off easily and have a thick 'syrup'. Not sure what is in there, but I evaped 1 ml down, and ended up with some solids.
I then slowly heated up the dish, and at 160~170 there was a definite change, it instantly started to bubble and vaporize. when this stopped, I continued up to 300C with only charring of the residue occuring.

I will repeat the same process with the other partition, to see how much residue the process did remove.
* note, the process gave me about 20ml out of over 400ml, so a 20X concentration. assuming I got a full 300mg out of the original 30 grams,(not likely) then I have 300mg in 20 ml.
this would be a concentration of 15mg/ml.

The material that starts bubbling at circa 160C is the good stuff, right?

That reminds me I have a soak underway and will do something with it tomorrow. Starting with a UV test for MAOIs presence.

 

[nicnac]

As he put it, you have to have damned good lung function and strong overall health to be able to smoke with any kind of pleasure.

So true.

My personal opinion,if I were at one cig a day, there are lots of other facets of my life that I would consider far more important to address health wise.

I know. 38 years of smoking 30 cigs a day. all the tolls all those cigs have put on my body.

 

[tceight]

The material that starts bubbling at circa 160C is the good stuff, right?

That reminds me I have a soak underway and will do something with it tomorrow. Starting with a UV test for MAOIs presence.

We don't even know what the 'good stuff' is yet. lol
I did a simple TLC, thin layer chromatograph of the two partitions using 50% propanol and regular copy paper. I saw no clear differentiation on either partition. The top layer left a continuous trail right up the paper, the bottom(sugar) layer left nothing.

I'll have to get a uv light to see if there are any harmine's in either sample.... or Dragendorffs reagent to see if there is some kind of alkaloid separation beyond visual.

 

[BCB]

May The Force be with you.

 

[bearscreek]

May The Force be with you.

Couldn't help myself.

 

[tceight]

now if you are going to start making fun of me, I'll just clam up and go vape in my room.

 

[bearscreek]

Well, I'm laughing with BCB, and I think BCB is complimenting you in a very obscure way. I have a degree in chemistry and you guys are making my head spin.

 

[HeatherC]

My head spins on a regular basis....but I've had fun learning from tceight too (even if I don't understand what I learned LOL)

 

[tceight]

Well, I'm laughing with BCB, and I think BCB is complimenting you in a very obscure way. I have a degree in chemistry and you guys are making my head spin.

no worries, I took it that way.
BCB is a very 'positive' personality. If I thought otherwise, I would not have responded at all. I have thick skin, but I prefer to walk away from any pointless battles.

great to hear about the chem. degree... I was hoping someone that knew what they were talking about was following along to make sure I don't get too far out into the weeds. I don't know what I don't know, which can be good for new ideas, but dangerous too by not recognizing the hazards. I have no chemisty background other than bits and pieces I have picked up here and there, so take anything I write with a few moles of salt.

 

[bearscreek]

I seriously hope you didn't take anything in a bad way.

As far as my chemistry degree, It's awfully rusty, so I'm sure kin or just about anybody else can keep you in line just fine.

 

[tceight]

I seriously hope you didn't take anything in a bad way.

As far as my chemistry degree, It's awfully rusty, so I'm sure kin or just about anybody else can keep you in line just fine.

Live long, and prosper.... V