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In contrast, I believe we are seeking the equivalent of a speedboat with which the person steering the boat can directly observe shifting weather patterns and adjust course virtually instantaneously as those patterns evolve.

my long term goal, would be to walk on water.
To control those winds and weather patterns and make them bend to my will. lol
 

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And I wouldn't go for a pill no matter how perfect, for this reason. But who knows, it could be useful.

I'm very much on the same page philosophically as you on this point Kin,
We exist because our ancestors genes carried on at the cost of billions of deaths over millions of years of trial and error.
however, we no longer live in a world where natural processes dictate selection and survival.

if you were in an alien environment.. say, on the space station, would you refuse to take the drugs designed to deal with the radical loading from the high radiation levels?

we live in a toxic environment and face biochemical challenges that we do not necessarily have the epigenetic programming to deal with.

Furthermore, our goals for long, healthy, happy lives are not the same as with Biology. Your genes could care a hoot, as long as you procreate before you kick off.
 

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I knew that...i was kidding :)
me 2. ;)

speaking of 'alien environments', ever notice studies on addictive potentials of compounds always exist in labs? I've only seen one attempt at a study on rats in their natural environments, and they could not get any meaningful data, as there were minimal attempts by the animals to dose themselves with the opiates being used in the test. That is quite a result in itself I believe.

In our society dominated by commercialism, anxiety level's are manipulated to maximise sales. Look at MSM, and it's focus on creating fearful states. Anxious people are apt to eat and drink compulsively, to distract themselves with spoon fed 'entertainment', like TV, movies, etc. to assuage low esteem through purchase of status symbols, even assuming horrendous debt's to do so, which drives even more anxiety.
A perpetual negative brain state, high levels of stress and cortisol, of course one is going to attempt to 'balance' by whatever means necessary.
 
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me 2. ;)

speaking of 'alien environments', ever notice studies on addictive potentials of compounds always exist in labs? I've only seen one attempt at a study on rats in their natural environments, and they could not get any meaningful data, as there were minimal attempts by the animals to dose themselves with the opiates being used in the test. That is quite a result in itself I believe.

Rats migh be similar biochemically but not similar in terms of higher level psychology. And these levels being interactive, rat studies might be fine to see the action of a biochemical pathway but much less so for less atomic things like 'addiction'.
 
On the topic of the MAOIs and nicotine, given the level of MAOIs as being around 30x less, and roughly speaking of like power seen individually, the role of the MAOIs would seem to be like a control valve, the base of a transistor; having an effect that is amplified by mode of action of the system. Highly leveraged.
 

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Rats migh be similar biochemically but not similar in terms of higher level psychology. And these levels being interactive, rat studies might be fine to see the action of a biochemical pathway but much less so for less atomic things like 'addiction'.

agree, although they do have a prefrontal cortex too, and they have complex social structures just as we do.

I think you will really like this, if you haven't already seen it.
YouTube - ‪Dr Robert Sapolsky and the baboon troop‬‎
See if you can find the full version somewhere.
It really makes one rethink our entire societal structure, and what traits we continue to encourage and reward i.e competitiveness
Love to hear your views.
 

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This may or may not make sense. This gives me hope for my son. We adopted him from foster care 5 yrs ago when he was 10 yrs old. Needless to say, probably, he has some attachment disorder as well as several other adjustment type difficulties which seem to go with being tossed around in the system for 7 years of his life. We have already begun to see improvements with him he is a generally good kid (most of the time as with any teenager LOL) He went from a C average student in foster care to an honor roll student every quarter since he's been in our care. Basically, Good behavior CAN be taught and bad behavior can be changed even when it's been ingrained for years. That was a cool video ty for sharing
 

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This may or may not make sense. This gives me hope for my son. We adopted him from foster care 5 yrs ago when he was 10 yrs old. Needless to say, probably, he has some attachment disorder as well as several other adjustment type difficulties which seem to go with being tossed around in the system for 7 years of his life. We have already begun to see improvements with him he is a generally good kid (most of the time as with any teenager LOL) He went from a C average student in foster care to an honor roll student every quarter since he's been in our care. Basically, Good behavior CAN be taught and bad behavior can be changed even when it's been ingrained for years. That was a cool video ty for sharing

great to hear.
The deeper question is what is "good behaviour" and what is "bad"
School marks indicate he is adjusting to the status quo quite well, but is that 'good'? Depends on if you have faith and trust in our educational system.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. (George Bernard Shaw)"

~~~John Taylor Gatto wrote "The Underground History of American Education." Which traces back the origin's of our 'education system' as it was based on the the education of the lower castes in India, to ensure subordination to the upper Castes. Very Malthusian.

also, to get a 'PHD, or MD' how well do you have to fit into the existing mould?
years and years of jumping hoops, and spouting back exactly what you are told to think.
Do you suppose that the 'personality type' to get through that gauntlet, may be just a bit biased as to determining what a 'normal' personality type might be?
 
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agree, although they do have a prefrontal cortex too, and they have complex social structures just as we do.

I think you will really like this, if you haven't already seen it.
YouTube - ‪Dr Robert Sapolsky and the baboon troop‬‎
See if you can find the full version somewhere.
It really makes one rethink our entire societal structure, and what traits we continue to encourage and reward i.e competitiveness
Love to hear your views.

Agree, that is also true. For some more true than others. Primitive instincts lie just below the surface.

Animals are smarter than we think, and the human animal is not as smart as we think.

If one takes into account the even higher social level (sociological over psychological - by higher i'm not inferring better or more important btw) then there are cultural differences even among humans. And while rats have their social more they might be different in some ways.
 
great to hear.
The deeper question is what is "good behaviour" and what is "bad"
School marks indicate he is adjusting to the status quo quite well, but is that 'good'? Depends on if you have faith and trust in our educational system.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. (George Bernard Shaw)"

~~~John Taylor Gatto " Wrote "The Underground History of American Education." Which traces back the origin's of our 'education system' as it was based on the the education of the lower castes in India, to ensure subordination to the upper Castes. Very Malthusian.

also, to get a 'PHD, or MD' how well do you have to fit into the existing mould?
years and years of jumping hoops, and spouting back exactly what you are told to think.
Do you suppose that the 'personality type' to get through that gauntlet, may be just a bit biased as to determining what a 'normal' personality type might be?

Indeed!

One could ponder more on 'adapt to the world' (rather than try the reverse) but that could run to a whole book. The point in that quote though is akin to 'repaeting one's mistakes expecting a different outcome'.
 

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great to hear.
The deeper question is what is "good behaviour" and what is "bad"
School marks indicate he is adjusting to the status quo quite well, but is that 'good'? Depends on if you have faith and trust in our educational system.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. (George Bernard Shaw)"

~~~John Taylor Gatto wrote "The Underground History of American Education." Which traces back the origin's of our 'education system' as it was based on the the education of the lower castes in India, to ensure subordination to the upper Castes. Very Malthusian.

also, to get a 'PHD, or MD' how well do you have to fit into the existing mould?
years and years of jumping hoops, and spouting back exactly what you are told to think.
Do you suppose that the 'personality type' to get through that gauntlet, may be just a bit biased as to determining what a 'normal' personality type might be?

While I do trust the teachers to do their jobs...well as best they can...it is also my belief that it's the parents job to make sure that happens. We have gotten the occasional midterm report that says that poor performance is eminent I call the teacher....I talk to him....we all decide together what the best course is (usually involving a temporary suspension of a privilege or privileges LOL) and by the end of the quarter he's back on track...until the next time. Personally, I think my son is not made to fit any particular mold. He's his own person and mostly follows that...it's when he tries to fit in i start to worry...he's normally a strong minded individual which is what I want to see...when he starts "following the crowd" I worry about lemmings.
And good and bad is of course relative...but i still won't let him talk back to me LOL
 

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Indeed!

One could ponder more on 'adapt to the world' (rather than try the reverse) but that could run to a whole book. The point in that quote though is akin to 'repaeting one's mistakes expecting a different outcome'.

I see more the corollary of that in there. :)

Mr Freezie..... difinitely a concentration method.
I did the separation, it would not cleave, but I washed the top layer off easily and have a thick 'syrup'. Not sure what is in there, but I evaped 1 ml down, and ended up with some solids.
I then slowly heated up the dish, and at 160~170 there was a definite change, it instantly started to bubble and vaporize. when this stopped, I continued up to 300C with only charring of the residue occuring.

I will repeat the same process with the other partition, to see how much residue the process did remove.
* note, the process gave me about 20ml out of over 400ml, so a 20X concentration. assuming I got a full 300mg out of the original 30 grams,(not likely) then I have 300mg in 20 ml.
this would be a concentration of 15mg/ml.
 

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While I do trust the teachers to do their jobs...well as best they can...it is also my belief that it's the parents job to make sure that happens. We have gotten the occasional midterm report that says that poor performance is eminent I call the teacher....I talk to him....we all decide together what the best course is (usually involving a temporary suspension of a privilege or privileges LOL) and by the end of the quarter he's back on track...until the next time. Personally, I think my son is not made to fit any particular mold. He's his own person and mostly follows that...it's when he tries to fit in i start to worry...he's normally a strong minded individual which is what I want to see...when he starts "following the crowd" I worry about lemmings.
And good and bad is of course relative...but i still won't let him talk back to me LOL
Heather, I am sure teachers do their best, as do parents. We are all products of our past experiences, and 'taught' models of how to behave, and these beliefs are passed on from generation to generation whether they make sense or not, never given critical thought, never questioned.
for example, How long ago was it that women were finally given the right to vote? and racism is still prevalent throughout society. It takes a lot of courage to buck the 'status quo' to create something better. The US was conceived and created by such giants who by definition committed treason to create one of the greatest nations ever conceived. (I wonder what T. Jefferson would think of it now.)
 

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Heather, I am sure teachers do their best, as do parents. We are all products of our past experiences, and 'taught' models of how to behave, and these beliefs are passed on from generation to generation whether they make sense or not, never given critical thought, never questioned.
for example, How long ago was it that women were finally given the right to vote? and racism is still prevalent throughout society. It takes a lot of courage to buck the 'status quo' to create something better. The US was conceived and created by such giants who by definition committed treason to create one of the greatest nations ever conceived. (I wonder what T. Jefferson would think of it now.)

It sure doesn't match his vision as I read the declaration of independence....but then I'm reading from my taught models so I could be wrong too :):vapor:
 

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How bad is one cig a day?
Seems like this is working for me like a charm. That one cig that I have tried in two different days (one a few days ago and one today) in the mid morning, seems to be giving me all I'm missing for the day.
I think the reason it is giving such a good effect has to do with the fact that my lungs have cleared up from all the tars and can absorb all the missing stuff very efficiently.
As long as I get the desired bowel movement, I will be a happy man, which this is doing it for me.
 
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