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It's banned in Ireland and the rest of the EU except for Sweden unfortunately. :(

Well, I would never suggest doing anything against the law...

Having said that, don't you know anybody who travels to Scandinavia? Or lives there? Ireland is close to Denmark and Sweden. When I lived in Stockholm I used to go to spend a weekend in Dublin. I love Ireland.

Snus works. Whole tobacco alkaloids. It's safe, probably safer than combining e-liquids with passion flower extracts. And it's easy and cheap. Copenhagen is beautiful this time of year. So is Goteborg. And Stockholm.:)
 

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Well, I would never suggest doing anything against the law...

Having said that, don't you know anybody who travels to Scandinavia? Or lives there? Ireland is close to Denmark and Sweden. When I lived in Stockholm I used to go to spend a weekend in Dublin. I love Ireland.

Snus works. Whole tobacco alkaloids. It's safe, probably safer than combining e-liquids with passion flower extracts. And it's easy and cheap. Copenhagen is beautiful this time of year. So is Goteborg. And Stockholm.:)

Unfortunately I know no one who travels to Scandinavia at all, or lives there and Irish customs are annoyingly efficient at seizing goods brought through the mail system (not so good at seizing it coming in off small boats making landfall along our lengthy rugged coastlines but I don't have the resources to start a full-on snus smuggling operation unfortunately).
 

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Unfortunately I know no one who travels to Scandinavia at all, or lives there and Irish customs are annoyingly efficient at seizing goods brought through the mail system (not so good at seizing it coming in off small boats making landfall along our lengthy rugged coastlines but I don't have the resources to start a full-on snus smuggling operation unfortunately).
From my understanding of the law in the EU, it is illegal to sell snus within the EU but it is not illegal to import for personal use. There are a number of people on the forum who do so. It is readily available online.

Northerner. Buy Swedish Snus & Snuff Online. The Healthy Smokeless Tobacco Alternative

Buy Snus, Order Swedish snus online world wide - BuySnus.com

Also check out the snuson forum as not doubt others from the EU could clue you in, and very likely a few from Ireland.

SnusOn Snus Forum & Community
 
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From my understanding of the law in the EU, it is illegal to sell snus within the EU but it is not illegal to import for personal use. There are a number of people on the forum who do so. It is readily available online.

Northerner. Buy Swedish Snus & Snuff Online. The Healthy Smokeless Tobacco Alternative

Buy Snus, Order Swedish snus online world wide - BuySnus.com

Also check out the snuson forum as not doubt others from the EU could clue you in, and very likely a few from Ireland.

SnusOn Snus Forum & Community

Cheers, I'll look into it!
 

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Just ordered some snus there, will be interesting to see what customs makes of it and whether it alleviates the depression/anxiety cravings for tobacco.

Good luck, nesf! I hope it works out for you. All I can tell you is that it works for me, and a lot of other people.

Stubby, dear, thank you so much for your help. BTW, since we hijacked the thread for a while, what do YOU think about adding PF extracts to e-liquids?
 

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Been vaping passionflower for the past two days as well. Same strength as you (1 drop per milliliter). You are right-on about the flavor. Every time I take a vape, I smell what I can only describe as, well, "dope-like"! I am using the brand "Nature's Answer", which is an extract (not a tincture) with a concentration of 1:1, is alcohol-free, is in a base of vegetable glycerin (glycerol), and is "holistically balanced" in the same ratios as that found in the whole natural plant.

It is effective.

Thank you for your experiments, grim_piper.

Hope this also helps someone.

Nicotine, though therapeutic, is not the whole answer.

There is truly a multitude of wonders out there, folks.

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just vaped some. It IS effective. I have got a head rush.
Do you guys use this on all your daily vapes or just for that special moment that you feel the urge? Because I feel like I just had a Pall Mall non-filter.
 

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just vaped some. It IS effective. I have got a head rush.
Do you guys use this on all your daily vapes or just for that special moment that you feel the urge? Because I feel like I just had a Pall Mall non-filter.
I'm waiting on this:

Passion Flower - 4oz Liquid Extract

I hope it works the way you guys say. :confused:
 

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Hi all,

I'd be interested to know how Vaporz and Grim_Piper are getting on with the PF (or anyobody else); and if Vaporz has any new insights/thoughts on the biochemistry.

Have been away for about eight months; but still very much interested in all this.

Welcome back.

Tried it, not sure what to make of it. I was quite fatigued but this may have been due to being depressed rather than the passionflower. I'm in better form at the moment so I'm going to try it again to see if it is still sedating.
 
Thanks nesf :)

Always the best place to start if feeling out of sorts is nutrition. For depression this would include the vitamin B family and essential fatty acids.

People are all different with different needs but speaking just to the 'mellow' effect that would be most welcome to the majority (?), the ideal would be something which is calming without being sedating; and it might even feel somewhat enlivening as it reduces some of the anxiety/stress/nervous energy so that one is more focused. The biochemistry is very complex, far more so than just 'uppers' and 'downers' could convey.
 
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Thanks nesf :)

Always the best place to start if feeling out of sorts is nutrition. For depression this would include the vitamin B family and essential fatty acids.

People are all different with different needs but speaking just to the 'mellow' effect that would be most welcome to the majority (?), the ideal would be something which is calming without being sedating; and it might even feel somewhat enlivening as it reduces some of the anxiety/stress/nervous energy so that one is more focused. The biochemistry is very complex, far more so than just 'uppers' and 'downers' could convey.

Aye, plus for me it's rather complicated as it's combined with a mood stabiliser, two anti-psychotics and an antidepressant (with 3 of 4 being sedating) But it should prove interesting regardless to see what it's like, if it still is highly sedating it could prove to be a worthwhile caveat about interactions between PF and other sedating medications.
 
As you know, one must be especially careful if already taking various drugs; and this might well alter the effects even if this is not a dangerous mix. [general note of caution as this is a public forum; not meaning to be preachy]

In as much as depression involves 'stuck' thought processes, exercise can be useful, especially sport, as it breaks the thought habits and promotes better sleep too.

As an aside, somewhere I saw some discussion of insomnia. What works for me (not surprisingly as it is its natural role) is melatonin (a hormone); but it might not help everyone if their level is already sufficient.

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May have already been discussed earlier, but ust in case ...

From Wikipedia: Many species [of PassiFlora] have been found to contain beta-carboline harmala alkaloids.[6][7] which are MAO inhibitors with anti-depressant properties. The flower and fruit have only traces of these chemicals, but the leaves and the roots are often more potent and have been used to enhance the effects of mind-altering drugs. The most common of these alkaloids is harman (1-methyl-9H-b-carboline), but harmaline (4,9-Dihydro-7-methoxy-1-methyl-3H-pyrido[3,4-b]indole), harmalol (1-methyl-2,3,4,9-tetrahydropyrido[3,4-b]indol-7-one), harmine (7-Methoxy-1-methyl-9H-pyrido[3,4-b]indole) and harmol[clarification needed] were found.[6][7]
 
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As you know, one must be especially careful if already taking various drugs; and this might well alter the effects even if not a dangerous mix.

From Wikipedia: Many species have been found to contain beta-carboline harmala alkaloids.[6][7] which are MAO inhibitors with anti-depressant properties. The flower and fruit have only traces of these chemicals, but the leaves and the roots are often more potent and have been used to enhance the effects of mind-altering drugs. The most common of these alkaloids is harman (1-methyl-9H-b-carboline), but harmaline (4,9-Dihydro-7-methoxy-1-methyl-3H-pyrido[3,4-b]indole), harmalol (1-methyl-2,3,4,9-tetrahydropyrido[3,4-b]indol-7-one), harmine (7-Methoxy-1-methyl-9H-pyrido[3,4-b]indole) and harmol[clarification needed] were found.[6][7]

Yup, but I was already taking an analogous MAOI when I was a cigarette smoker. I'm keeping a very close eye on my symptoms and reactions to my drugs and honestly, after 10 years of being constantly medicated I'm used to changes in drugs and watching my symptoms and reactions to them.

From what I've read, the concentrations we're talking about 1 drop/ml of a diluted extract aren't particularly high and shouldn't have a pronounced effect on my medications but I'm being cautious nonetheless.
 

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I just started vaping it today (its been about 7 hours) and my experience so far, I get very close to that feeling I used to get after finishing a cigarette where the brain says "ok I'm done & don't want anymore" kind of a feeling?
It feels very much mental & very little physical. That's the best I can describe it.
I am also very interested to know how Vaporz and Grim_Piper are getting on with the PF. Also like to know if they use it all the time or on occasions.
 
Yup, but I was already taking an analogous MAOI when I was a cigarette smoker. I'm keeping a very close eye on my symptoms and reactions to my drugs and honestly, after 10 years of being constantly medicated I'm used to changes in drugs and watching my symptoms and reactions to them.

From what I've read, the concentrations we're talking about 1 drop/ml of a diluted extract aren't particularly high and shouldn't have a pronounced effect on my medications but I'm being cautious nonetheless.

Was mostly just the obligatory nod to the gallery.

I have a drawer full of 'herbs', valerian and hops among them that i bought years ag in search of a sleep enhancer. I dont think i even opened any of those three yet - probably all dust by now ;)
 

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Was mostly just the obligatory nod to the gallery.

I have a drawer full of 'herbs', valerian and hops among them that i bought years ag in search of a sleep enhancer. I dont think i even opened any of those three yet - probably all dust by now ;)

Best thing I've found is Seroquel combined with Trileptal. 500mg + 1500mg could knock out a bull elephant, or so I've found. ;)
 
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