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I've still got yesterday's paraffin (mineral oil) soak sitting in my icing gun filtering off after 24 hours (this is separate from the experiment I mentioned two posts back). The mineral oil has separated but looks murky... I don't think it will clear any further now, so I might go to the next stage.
Its BP is 176C so I dont see it evaporating any time soon.
I don't see the purpose of a volatile non-polar unless one wants to have undisolved alkaloids. Though there is one possible advantage (and considerable hazard). I think DVap's approach is something like this; it seems therefore that the alkaloids are sufficently miscible in water / VG to remain in their freebase form. Either as freebase or salts, they likely are carried out of the atomiser. Absorption rate is likely faster with freebase alkaloids.
kinabaloo - can you help me on this? My understanding is that if a liquid is volatile it will evaporate quickly and completely at room temperature. So there will be no more of that liquid left in the resulting WTA/acidified water concentrate? Although the VG it is mixed with might end up giving a very orangey taste in this instance.
I have my olive oil mix all ready to go. Just trying to decide what the best way forward is. Any advances on your end?
...Polmos Spirytus Rektyfikowany Vodka, 192 proof, 80% alcohol... volatile?
EDIT : Spirytus Delikatesowy Vodka... 95%?
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I DID say I was only a layman... in search of a good vape!
Even we don't ever get a great vape, we certainly learned some chemistry
Well, yesterday's yield was bad... I have about 4ml of dirty oil from 20 cigarettes.
With today's snuff mash I think I will try the cloth bag in the garlic press.
With today's snuff mash I think I will try the cloth bag in the garlic press.
4 ml is not too unreasonable a volume.
But the yield is not the volume of course. It's what's in there ...
If you got 50% of the alkaloids that would be ~0.75% x 20,000mg = ~15mg so ~ 4mg / ml (oil stage)
So you'd need to use as little acidic water as possible - say 0.5 ml
Then after adding VG would be ~7.5mg / ml
Doesn't sound much, but WTA is said pretty powerful, and can be mixed with high nic juice.
But the yield is not the volume of course. It's what's in there ...
If you got 50% of the alkaloids that would be ~0.75% x 20,000mg = ~15mg so ~ 4mg / ml (oil stage)
So you'd need to use as little acidic water as possible - say 0.5 ml
Then after adding VG would be ~7.5mg / ml
Doesn't sound much, but WTA is said pretty powerful, and can be mixed with high nic juice.
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But how would I separate 0.5ml acidic water off?
Actually one workable method of separation I have discovered is to draw up a dirty oil/water potion into a dropper, let it separate in there and then take off the whichever part you want. The separation takes place quite quickly, but you can only do small amounts each time, of course.
Actually one workable method of separation I have discovered is to draw up a dirty oil/water potion into a dropper, let it separate in there and then take off the whichever part you want. The separation takes place quite quickly, but you can only do small amounts each time, of course.
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Very good tip.
Otherwise a tall slim (narrow) clear container - such that it would hardy stand up. Or something like a pipette.
For mortals, your idea is likely as good as it gets.
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ps - how dark is the separated mineral oil ?
With the dropper, I have found you can place your finger over the end and swing your arm in an arc... the centrifugal force works wonders in hurrying liquid separation along.
My mineral oil was a mid-brown colour... I'm not hopeful.
kinabaloo - I'm off for the night. I sent you a PM.
G'Night.
My mineral oil was a mid-brown colour... I'm not hopeful.
kinabaloo - I'm off for the night. I sent you a PM.
G'Night.
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Good thinking, tceight!
Kinabaloo and slopes: This thread suddenly exploded (which is excellent!
), and I've skimmed almost 30 pages of posts today...and still cannot tell if either of you have succeeded in producing "tceight/Dvap-potency" WTA eliquid in the last five days. Am I missing something, or are you trying to torture us with suspense?
Good thinking, tceight!
Kinabaloo and slopes: This thread suddenly exploded (which is excellent!
tescela - on my part, i feel i want to hone the procedure some more. But tceight's method does work and others can follow it as is.
slopes - read your mail; thinking about it ...
Guys I am not pharmacutically inclined nor skilled but am following this thread like a hawk and awaiting the day I can try a vape of some potent wta juice!!!
If you guys keep this up and discover a method of mass reproducing tceght / dvaps results - you will be mavericks and it could well be massive for those of us that feel we want something in the middle of cigs and current nic only e-juices!
If you guys keep this up and discover a method of mass reproducing tceght / dvaps results - you will be mavericks and it could well be massive for those of us that feel we want something in the middle of cigs and current nic only e-juices!
Actually it would be quite easy to do on a commercial scale, technically speaking. An efficient and easy to do home method is not so straightforward; but we're getting there.
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