thinking about the 'calculations'. They are made without thought to all this extra gunk that's in there. Might take a few more millimoles just to get to breakeven if no washing is done.
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thinking about the 'calculations'. They are made without thought to all this extra gunk that's in there. Might take a few more millimoles just to get to breakeven if no washing is done.
Edited it about 100 times already !
It's getting the balance between all the things one could say and might be useful, and it becoming too off-putting in detail. Leaving out all DVap's calculations helped a lot
I could make up a "for a 10yo" version, if someone else can do the illustrations. ;-)
Jokes aside, the ultimate objective is to make this as easily accessible to as many people as possible that need it, so the value of simplicity cannot be overstated.
If there are vapers that cannot make homemade WTA eliquid -- without potentially harming themselves -- in the absence of extremely "dumbed down" instructions, then giving them those instructions seems the ethical thing to do, right?
Leaving out all DVap's calculations helped a lot
All that chemistry stuff is just needless minutia anyway!
When in doubt, dump it into an old coke bottle, shake and estimate!
don't forget to take your credits too Kin. Without this thread, simple WTA would not have been born. (at least not by me!, only a matter of time before someone somewhere did it.... because damn it... it's just so GOOOOD!!!)
Heh.. wish I could get a bit of the lab grade stuff to ya'll...it'd blow yer heads clean off, and stick 'em back on feeling right!
There;s a point at which making every step detailed just gets verbose and long-winded. It's not actually for 10 year old's. I think I hit the right balance but open to suggestions. We can cast an eye on the technical details, and nubies will doubtless find the bits we take for granted and let us know.
In a way, by making it not seem too simple, it avoids those who can not boil an egg getting into trouble
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Surely it won't be too long before such a thing hits the market ...
When it doubt get DVap to the hard maths and produce a figure; then just scale as required. 32g / 100 ml - just a magic number
*If no figure is forthcoming, have a guess and be corrected
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It's the intersection of three requirements: suitable pH, sufficient moles, eye to usable end-product concentration of alkaloids. And there we are, citrus flavored WTA
If we selected ascorbic acid, vaping could almost fulfil the RDA
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Well I propose we call it the: 'Keep In Nicotine Alkaloids - Base/Acid/Lots Of Oil' method.
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Well I propose we call it the: 'Keep In Nicotine Alkaloids - Base/Acid/Lots Of Oil' method.
LOL. You must be smokin some of that wta slopes! (k.i.n.a.b.a.l.o.o.)
Semi-wittingly at least, the intent was to at least neutralize the solution, and possibly re-freebase the alkaloids. I actually vaped a bit of the acidified mix before doing that - the (possibly) freebased version was subjectively stronger. But again, I wasn't measuring anything, so it may or may not have made to an actual freebase state, or even been completely neutralized.
interesting result.
first acid transfer, shook and let sit 20min. pale brown/yellow tinged in the extract.
Did a second one, and left overnight. It was at least 4 or 5 times darker than the first one.
going to do another one, overnight, and see if any further colour is picked up.
first acid transfer, shook and let sit 20min. pale brown/yellow tinged in the extract.
Did a second one, and left overnight. It was at least 4 or 5 times darker than the first one.
going to do another one, overnight, and see if any further colour is picked up.
Any ideas what's going on with this delay?
Is it the small number of fish in a big sea effect; I think it is that.
Were both with the VG already added ?
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Ammended method write up to recommend 12 hours for this step.
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That reminds me a bit of the second press I did of the tobacco - the acid soak from that was darker then the first pressing.
Well I propose we call it the: 'Keep In Nicotine Alkaloids - Base/Acid/Lots Of Oil' method.
lol !
Are you putting the citric acid and pollen press to work today ?
I've been busy today... and I'm still looking to get some more liquid paraffin (mineral oil). It's quite cheap online... but sold for relieving horses and dogs of constipation!!
Actually, let's amend that name to...
'Kitchen-Isolated Nicotine Alkaloids - Base/Acid/Lots Of Oil'
That just about covers everything and neatly sums up the process.
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'Kitchen-Isolated Nicotine Alkaloids - Base/Acid/Lots Of Oil'
That just about covers everything and neatly sums up the process.
Chemically, to "isolate" has a bit of a meaning that should be understood. This oil-based method (or similar) does not isolate alkaloids. The alkaloids are concentrated, but not isolated. The tobacco matrix is still quite present though a significant percentage of it is removed in the partitioning.
When talking about the "ethics" of posting a procedure, a good part of the discussion has to involve the presentation of the procedure. The materials used have to be discussed in relation to the science behind their use and also in relation to the possibility of their presence in the end-product and the possible repercussions of their being present in the end-product. So the fate of the oil and sodium carbonate need to be considered, along with the vaping of a significant amount of citric acid. At an acidic final pH, the sodium carbonate is pretty much taken care of. Any that might be present has been quite neutralized. While the mineral oil is basically hydrophobic, there is likely a small solubility of the hydrocarbons in water... could this present a problem? Also, the presumption that vaping matrix components from the tobacco is safer than smoking tobacco is probably valid, it should be made clear that the matrix still may present a degree of hazard that is unknown.
So basically, I'm saying that the procedure needs to discuss anything that is expected to be present in the final product however small the quantity. When the possible hazard of a component of the final product is known, it needs to be discussed specifically. Also, when the possible hazard of a component is unknown, then it would be wisest to say precisely that... without hand-waving or discounting the possible or unanticipated effects. It's a matter of making the fullest disclosure possible such that anyone who might attempt the procedure is forearmed with any specific caution that might be appropriate, as well as the general caution that the end-product may present unknown or unanticipated hazards.
In other words, we do this at our own risk, and the risk is non-zero. If an individual is uncomfortable with the procedure or is not willing to accept full personal responsibility for following the procedure along with full personal responsibility for any side-effect either known, suspected, or unanticipated, then the individual should not attempt the procedure.
That's my view of the ethics.
May I borrow these words, especally last paragraph to append to method ?
OK, fun over. I agree with kinabaloo - the last paragraph should be placed in bold letters at the end of any method.
Do this at your own risk, and the risk is non-zero. If you are uncomfortable with the procedure or not willing to accept full personal responsibility for following the procedure along with full personal responsibility for any side-effect either known, suspected, or unanticipated, then do not attempt the procedure.
Do this at your own risk, and the risk is non-zero. If you are uncomfortable with the procedure or not willing to accept full personal responsibility for following the procedure along with full personal responsibility for any side-effect either known, suspected, or unanticipated, then do not attempt the procedure.
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