big commercial batteries...

[DC2]

precisely...."so what" will happen next?......just trying to stimulate some conversation about the future of vaping......

Well, I think you nailed it when you said the KR808D-1 will fall by the wayside eventually.
Like so many others that came before it.

The momentum behind the 510 is too strong now.

And that might not be a good thing either.
Competition is probably what led to all the 510 advances we are seeing now.

So yeah, in that respect, maybe the KR808D-1 can get on board and get moving forward.

 

[BuzzKill]

510's SUCK , they are small and taste like crap !
I have no idea why they are popular except that we have made them that way by US ???

 

[Drozd]

lol.....I wonder, are you serious?.....look, he was arguing that the reason the innovations are happening in the 510 line was because people didn't like the cartomizers as much as the atomizers.....if so, why is one of the innovations a 510 cartomizer?......

I wasn't arguing that people don't like cartos as much as atties...
I'm saying that cartomizers are designed to be one use disposeable and have been, and continue to be....if that would change then alot of things would change with it..

first of all, there is no burning filler problem, there's just some early users who didn't know how to use cartomizers who raised a fuss.....wet cartomizers don't burn......

second, 808 threaded products are just as popular as 510 threaded products.....I was simply pointing out that all the innovation seems to be happening in the 510 threaded market......if that continues, I suspect the 808 system WILL go the way of the betamax and the 8track....

I highly disagree with the theres no burning filler issue it's been well documented in some very long threads on here...some cartos are better than others...and some well they've shown evidence of burning while still wet on the original prefill...

the 808 already shares threads with the 901 so there was already the option to use atty or carto...
They did the same thing to have that dual purpose with the 510..
then theres that new model (the double deuce I think it's called) where the stock kit is coming with an atty and a carto..

so I think the flow is toward a dual purpose unit...

then you have the mods...the higher end ones like the GGTS...are coming out where the adapter end is moving toward universal (that does that with an adapter piece) or the prototype 4in1 adapter from super T (where you can thread on a 510, 801, 901, or carto without changing a thing)...

companies are always going to design for their stock product...mods are going to push innovation... (and as for your statement about mods...depending yeah those do push the industry somewhat...prime example would be the screwdriver and the DSE905)

 

[CartHeadMod]

(and as for your statement about mods...depending yeah those do push the industry somewhat...prime example would be the screwdriver and the DSE905)

uuuuhh, yeah, cuz' those have taken the market by storm, eh?.....

 

[Quick1]

uuuuhh, yeah, cuz' those have taken the market by storm, eh?.....

lol (and what is a DSE905?)

 

[CartHeadMod]

I highly disagree with the theres no burning filler issue it's been well documented in some very long threads on here...some cartos are better than others...and some well they've shown evidence of burning while still wet on the original prefill...

yeah, I read em.....some people burned their cartos and have decided never to vape them again.....and for some reason, some other people have paid attention to them.....I bet back in 67 some guy dropped his brand new Casio calculator on the ground and broke it and vowed never to spend $250 on one of those stupid things ever again......and because of that all of us still have to use slide rules....

 

[CartHeadMod]

lol (and what is a DSE905?)

screwdriver clone.....

 

[Drozd]

uuuuhh, yeah, cuz' those have taken the market by storm, eh?.....

the DSE905?....no they suck....but the screwdriver yeah enough so that some China manufacturer felt the need to make a clone copy of it...

 

[Drozd]

yeah, I read em.....some people burned their cartos and have decided never to vape them again.....and for some reason, some other people have paid attention to them.....I bet back in 67 some guy dropped his brand new Casio calculator on the ground and broke it and vowed never to spend $250 on one of those stupid things ever again......and because of that all of us still have to use slide rules....

so you're missing or choosing to ignore the fact that seasoned and experienced vapers were getting burned filler on new cartos before they were even close to being vaped dry...and the "premium" cartos that were put out by one manufacturer ran hotter because of a lowered resistance and were even worse...

I understand that your preference is for cartomizer models and that's your chosen product to sell in your brick and mortar location so you feel the need to defend them.....
But the reality and evidence points elsewhere...
my point is that if you think innovation should move forward for the KR808d-1 models...then they should take care of the problems with the carto itself first...and fix the disposeable one use only stand.

 

[Quick1]

I got to tell you guys, I'm completely baffled....

There's the 3 piece atomizer design
There's the 2 piece cartomizer design

Then there are a few manufacturers of the above.
It's kind of like how every single vendor names their kit something different?

I'm having a really hard time figuring out how this whole "branch" is going to die off. It's all the same stuff. Until something completely new and different comes along we're going to have:

a 3 piece atomizer design
a 2 piece cartomizer design

did I miss some major development here?

 

[CartHeadMod]

the DSE905?....no they suck....but the screwdriver yeah enough so that some China manufacturer felt the need to make a clone copy of it...

ah sorry....as I said, I've only been vaping since January....I thought the screwdriver WAS Chinese....thought it was a Janty product and the DSE was a one off from someone else....

 

[Quick1]

I understand that your preference is for cartomizer models and that's your chosen product to sell in your brick and mortar location so you feel the need to defend them.....
But the reality and evidence points elsewhere...
my point is that if you think innovation should move forward for the KR808d-1 models...then they should take care of the problems with the carto itself first...and fix the disposeable one use only stand.

Is that it? We're talking about atomizer vs cartomizer?

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

The Provape-1 is available with a 901 - Cartomizer Compatible connector, enabling use with either the 901 atty or the Kr8 cartomizer. For PVs with a regular 901 connector, NHaler sells 901 > KR808 adapter, enabling use of Kr8 cartos.

 

[Drozd]

ah sorry....as I said, I've only been vaping since January....I thought the screwdriver WAS Chinese....thought it was a Janty product and the DSE was a one off from someone else....

the screwdriver is/was a mod made by trog and then picked up by TW....and then one of the china manufacturers made a clone copy of it..

Is that it? We're talking about atomizer vs cartomizer?

the OP point was why there isn't mods or big battery units being developed specifically for the KR8...
it's my stance that since the 510 is more popular and that cartos are considered 1 use disposeable (or you face burning filler issues)
that manufacturers and mod makers are going to continue to focus on other native connections on their batteries like the 510 or the 901 (since the 808 carto threads will fit that anyway) because of the longer overall life of atties

 

[Quick1]

I really don't think a whole lot of thought goes into the connector simply because a $2.50 adaptor is not a big deal. The mod makers want to sell as many units as possible. A very simple adapter bridges the gap between everything available. I think (I guess I said it before) since they can only have one, they just pick one. The one they pick is the one that's most popular at the moment. But it's not a huge consideration. As far as I know, the difference in the wholesale cost of the connector parts is negligible. If it was really a concern they would just toss in the adaptor with the mod. Maybe 1% of the cost? and you've covered 95% of the market. 510, 901/808. 801s are a 3rd connector but not worth bothering with.

So I guess the point of all that is that all these mods and "advancements"/"development" so far has advanced both equally. 510's or 808's are either gaining or losing favor based on their own merits. Nothing to do with the mods. I have a BB and a SB. I use all 3 depending on what I'm doing at the time. Regular 510s at 5v, LR 510s at 3.7v, 901s OR 808s at 6v. So far I've spent more time at 6v than the others but I'm starting to use LR attys a bit more. For 6v I'm about split on 901 or 808 usage. Both have merits. Just depends on what I'm vaping, where I'm vaping and what I feel like.

 

[CartHeadMod]

so you're missing or choosing to ignore the fact that seasoned and experienced vapers were getting burned filler on new cartos before they were even close to being vaped dry...and the "premium" cartos that were put out by one manufacturer ran hotter because of a lowered resistance and were even worse...

actually, yes....I am.....how many hundreds of thousands of cartos have been shipped out already.....so what, two....three......thirty....people have posted complaints about burned cartos?.....reminds me of Toyota recalling cars when evidence shows all you have to do is put the car in neutral for it to stop......all you need to do to keep your carto from burning is keep it wet.....

couple of days ago I ran across a thread talking about pulling the filler out of old cartos and using them to drip......had just cleaned out my drawers and thrown some away so I dug them out of the wastebasket and pulled the fillers out.....had a half dozen......there was some pretty ugly filler in there (I use my cartos one to two weeks before tossing).....none of them were burnt....

that's your chosen product to sell in your brick and mortar location so you feel the need to defend them.....

you're right....I sell in a brick and mortar location.....so none of you will ever buy anything from me.....thus, I have no need to defend anything here for that reason.....I defend them because I continue to see the same three or four people post the same crap about cartomizers over and over...."oh, you don't want to use those....they're going to kill you because somebody burned one once".....sometimes I wonder if you people have ever actually smoked cigarettes.....

 

[CartHeadMod]

I got to tell you guys, I'm completely baffled....

There's the 3 piece atomizer design
There's the 2 piece cartomizer design

Then there are a few manufacturers of the above.
It's kind of like how every single vendor names their kit something different?

I'm having a really hard time figuring out how this whole "branch" is going to die off. It's all the same stuff. Until something completely new and different comes along we're going to have:

a 3 piece atomizer design
a 2 piece cartomizer design

did I miss some major development here?

apparently yes.....you can use a three piece or a two piece 808 style PV (901 with a 901 atomizer or a 808 cartomizer) and you can use a three piece or a two piece 510 style PV (a 510 with a 510 atomizer or a 510 cartomizer)......

 

[CartHeadMod]

Is that it? We're talking about atomizer vs cartomizer?

not in the main thread no......this appears to be a sidebar discussion brought on by Drozd's hatred of cartomizers....

 

[CartHeadMod]

the OP point was why there isn't mods or big battery units being developed specifically for the KR8...

actually no....the OP was about commercial batteries, not mods....

 

[Quick1]

apparently yes.....you can use a three piece or a two piece 808 style PV (901 with a 901 atomizer or a 808 cartomizer) and you can use a three piece or a two piece 510 style PV (a 510 with a 510 atomizer or a 510 cartomizer)......

And with a $2.50 adapter (retail) you can mix and match ANY of the above. see my next post.