Big Tobacco is coming.....

[ctruth]

I have been smoke-free for 32 days.
I have saved $160.00.
I have avoided 640 cigarettes.

This e-cigarette thing is really catching on.

The FDA and big tobacco (they're one and the same) are fighting it tooth and nail.

Involved are billions in tobacco corp. dollars and in state and federal tax revenues.

Gov. Terminator just vetoed a prop here proposing a ban on sale and use. (please forgive me, but I'm really starting to like this guy)
NYC citizens are not so lucky-e-cigs have been banned there - in the city at least. [unsubstantiated]

I just saved $160.00 in one month - multiply that figure by 12, then times that by about 50 to 75 million US smokers and you get an idea of the raw fear that's being generated.

The FDA refuses to make a side by side comparison between the ingredients in cigarettes vs. e-liquid. Because it knows that such a comparison would be ludicrous.

As more and more smokers find out about this wonderful new cessation product, I predict big tobacco is going to jump on board and force out the smaller competition.

The strategy being to capture the industry, and then over time, proceed with the same Frankensteinian, addictive chemistry additions that it developed for cigarettes, but this time applied to e-liquids.

Am I paranoid? Tell you what – I challenge you or the FDA to find one single tobacco company executive (junior or senior) that is a smoker.


ctruth

 

[MHR7331]

Chinese manufacturers > Big Tobacco

I'm pretty sure they understand how lucrative a market e-cigs are/will be.

 

[cluster]

I'm sure there isn't the smallest possibility that big tobacco could get away with making e-cigs more dangerous on purpose, not in these days.

But i agree that seeing BT in talks with Ruyan is frightening, for pricing and legal issues. E-cigs are not necessarily a tobacco product and are not more a drug than a cup of joe. But having big tobacco involved will reinforce the "it is one or the other" mindset (that exists amongst vapers too) for the benefit of BT and public finances, and to the detriment of the products and its users.

Chinese manufacturers > Big Tobacco

I hope they figure it soon enough.

 

[Slickstick]

some of you guys need to go underground in case the **** really does hit the fan...
if I had the bankroll I would mass produce 510 megas myself and stockpile nic juice by the barrel in a walk in fridge.

 

[doots]

might be a good thing or bad. we will have to wait and see what plays out.

 

[ctruth]

Chinese manufacturers > Big Tobacco

I'm pretty sure they understand how lucrative a market e-cigs are/will be.

Please explain shipments being detained by customs.
China could be outta here in a heartbeat.

 

[umop apisdn]

Can I get a source on NYC's e-cig ban? Google gave me nothing but suffolk county - aka long island.

I just got mine ordered to my school - in Buffalo, and I'd be ...... if I couldn't get my juice shipped back home. $10 packs is a great reason to get off analogs.

 

[brucew]

E-cigs weren't banned in Suffolk County, just the use of them in public places where an analog cig would be banned

 

[ctruth]

Can I get a source on NYC's e-cig ban? Google gave me nothing but suffolk county - aka long island.

I just got mine ordered to my school - in Buffalo, and I'd be ...... if I couldn't get my juice shipped back home. $10 packs is a great reason to get off analogs.

Ban on Flavored Tobacco Products Becomes City Law - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com

New York begins ban on Internet cigarette sales - The Business Review (Albany):

NY county restricts sale, use of E-cigarettes

Thanks for making me look - I see some new developments I was unaware of.
New York is coming down hard for their tobacco taxes.
Being from there I can appreciate how New Yorkers love being ahead of the curve.


When I was in Manhattan in March. I got stopped 2 or 3 times a day with people shoving dollar bills at me and asking for a cigarette.
Yep a pack at the corner news stand was $10.00+. Times, say 3 million packs a day - That's a lotta hay.

 

[Beer Man]

Relax, as long as I can continue to purchase Illegal steroids,(I'm a safe user) I'm sure you'll be able to buy ecigs and their accessories.

OOPS, no drug talk. Sorry.

 

[MHR7331]

Please explain shipments being detained by customs.
China could be outta here in a heartbeat.

Only very large shipments from what I've read. Customs is almost as porous as our borders.

 

[Frostmonkey]

Bah, when I was in Arizona I had the option of paying over $100 bucks for my asthma inhaler or I could drive 45 minutes to Mexico and pay $1.99 for the same product. If these actual and proposed bills pass...well Mexico...here I come.

Isn't it a great thing when the US scares away people who are just a year away from a PHD into moving to Mexico...........crap like this is why I gave up on law. I guess I just don't have the moral flexibility......I give two ****s about the money...call me crazy...I passed on a 50K a year starting intern....hmmm...seems like this is common for those graduating Phi Alpha Delt/Pre-Law/Criminal justice. The "unofficial" UofA newsletter is reporting a 82% deviation rate of it's graduates with a BA in law. So 82% studied in law...saw it was immoral and illogical as it exists in the US, and bailed.........no surprise...

 

[Thyestean]

Ban on Flavored Tobacco Products Becomes City Law - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com

New York begins ban on Internet cigarette sales - The Business Review (Albany):

NY county restricts sale, use of E-cigarettes

Thanks for making me look - I see some new developments I was unaware of.
New York is coming down hard for their tobacco taxes.
Being from there I can appreciate how New Yorkers love being ahead of the curve.


When I was in Manhattan in March. I got stopped 2 or 3 times a day with people shoving dollar bills at me and asking for a cigarette.
Yep a pack at the corner news stand was $10.00+. Times, say 3 million packs a day - That's a lotta hay.

None of those have anything to do with any new e-cig bans. The first is about flavored tobacco and nowhere in it says anything about e-cigs, the second is from 2003 and about selling real cigs online, and the third is just Suffolk County not NY City but still a ridiculous law as far as the ban on public vaping.

 

[umop apisdn]

Ban on Flavored Tobacco Products Becomes City Law - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com

New York begins ban on Internet cigarette sales - The Business Review (Albany):

NY county restricts sale, use of E-cigarettes

Thanks for making me look - I see some new developments I was unaware of.
New York is coming down hard for their tobacco taxes.
Being from there I can appreciate how New Yorkers love being ahead of the curve.


When I was in Manhattan in March. I got stopped 2 or 3 times a day with people shoving dollar bills at me and asking for a cigarette.
Yep a pack at the corner news stand was $10.00+. Times, say 3 million packs a day - That's a lotta hay.

That's tough to say there's an e-cig ban in NYC though. As e-juice isn't necessarily a tobacco product, the loophole still exists. The NY county article isn't referring to new york county (manhattan) thankfully, it's just another Suffolk article. But the flavored cigar ban >:[ that's the worse news I've heard in a while. I gotta stock up on dutches for when I go back for break (of course I don't smoke them as they are... but that's another topic for another forum).

But regardless, NYC is starting to make me hate it the way things keep up. But I'm positive they can't put out a ban on e-cigs. There's too many office high rises and too many smokers that would complain.

 

[optsmk]

You can be sure that when and if (probably more when than if) the FDA approves e-cigs. Companies like RJ Reynolds, Phillip Morris and others will soon follow with their own e-cigs. You can bet your last buck that big tobacco companies will not idly stand my and watch e-cigs take over their market share. But hopefully it will spawn a whole new wave of competition with e-cigs.
The only problem that I really foresee is taxes. You can be sure that the federal as well as local governments will find ways to add additional luxury taxes to e-cigs.

 

[Frostmonkey]

None of those have anything to do with any new e-cig bans. The first is about flavored tobacco and nowhere in it says anything about e-cigs, the second is from 2003 and about selling real cigs online, and the third is just Suffolk County not NY City but still a ridiculous law as far as the ban on public vaping.

It's the fact that now they're considering e-cigarettes/liquid as a tobacco product. Which is ......ed. If bill S.1147 "Pact Act" passes. It would severely restrict even those products the FDA has considered "safe" (such as the nicotine inhaler and "snus". The fact that the committee hasn't even fully considered the act, even though the "final" consideration date was posted as November 6th (I believe; it's hard to tell when any sort of deliberation takes place). The bill was benched "pending further investigation". This leads me to believe that it will never be enacted. Unless of course, the proper bribes are made. I mean...search through irs.gov. It's very difficult to determine how much money the US government made from tobacco...ever. Regardless, that number is in the billions. So...how hard to you think they'll fight to keep "analogs" in place?

 

[umop apisdn]

It's the fact that now they're considering e-cigarettes/liquid as a tobacco product. Which is ......ed. If bill S.1147 "Pact Act" passes. It would severely restrict even those products the FDA has considered "safe" (such as the nicotine inhaler and "snus". The fact that the committee hasn't even fully considered the act, even though the "final" consideration date was posted as November 6th (I believe; it's hard to tell when any sort of deliberation takes place). The bill was benched "pending further investigation". This leads me to believe that it will never be enacted. Unless of course, the proper bribes are made. I mean...search through irs.gov. It's very difficult to determine how much money the US government made from tobacco...ever. Regardless, that number is in the billions. So...how hard to you think they'll fight to keep "analogs" in place?

Which is why we need to spread the word of vaping and support the groups that are advocating us. I would personally love to see BT come out with their own PVs. Even if they did tax them, they can't pull the same type of taxes they can on analogs. But still, this just shows how corrupt the government really is.

 

[Jules22871]

Please explain shipments being detained by customs.
China could be outta here in a heartbeat.

Our government cannot afford to hire enough customs workers to go thru every single package that comes thru customs from China. As long as you keep your orders small and your supplier labels them right you will still be able to get your juice and hardware. Although, stocking up is not a bad idea. It might get tough for a few months if/when they do have a ban but like anything else, even that will fall by the wayside as a new "cause" comes to light and distracts the FDA.

 

[tribalmasters]

I just hope if the worst happens the UK sticks its head in the sand.

 

[ctruth]

For the life of me, I cannot find that article on an e-cig ban in NYC. Maybe it was bogus and removed. If that is the case then I apologize for mentioning it.

Here is some legit regional info from Wiki:

Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia