Big Tobacco,You Have Been Warned.

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I don't believe I have ever seen an example of this.

Perhaps, it might be best to provide an example of "when is an advertisement targeting kids."

TEENAGERS:

Recent trends in tobacco marketing

Heavy marketing and discounting in convenience stores
tobacco companies today spend more than 90 percent of their total marketing budget — nearly $10 billion a year — to advertise and promote their products in convenience stores, gas stations and other retail outlets. tobacco companies pay stores billions to ensure that cigarettes and other tobacco products are advertised heavily, displayed prominently and priced cheaply to appeal to kids and current tobacco users. This marketing is very effective at reaching kids because two-thirds of teenagers visit a convenience store at least once a week. Studies have shown that exposure to tobacco marketing in stores and price discounts increase youth smoking.



Tobacco companies have significantly increased marketing of smokeless tobacco products, and they have introduced an array of colorfully-packaged and sweetly-flavored smokeless products, some of which look, taste and are packaged like candy. Since the 1998 settlement, smokeless tobacco marketing has skyrocketed by 277 percent to $547.9 million in 2008. In addition to marketing traditional chewing tobacco in kid-friendly flavors such as cherry, apple and citrus, tobacco companies have introduced new dissolvable and easily concealed tobacco products, called sticks, strips and orbs, that look like mints, breath strips and toothpicks.




tobaccofreekids.
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"Warning to Parents: How Big Tobacco Targets Kids Today - Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids"
 
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TEENAGERS:

Recent trends in tobacco marketing

Heavy marketing and discounting in convenience stores
Tobacco companies today spend more than 90 percent of their total marketing budget — nearly $10 billion a year — to advertise and promote their products in convenience stores, gas stations and other retail outlets. Tobacco companies pay stores billions to ensure that cigarettes and other tobacco products are advertised heavily, displayed prominently and priced cheaply to appeal to kids and current tobacco users. This marketing is very effective at reaching kids because two-thirds of teenagers visit a convenience store at least once a week. Studies have shown that exposure to tobacco marketing in stores and price discounts increase youth smoking.



Tobacco companies have significantly increased marketing of smokeless tobacco products, and they have introduced an array of colorfully-packaged and sweetly-flavored smokeless products, some of which look, taste and are packaged like candy. Since the 1998 settlement, smokeless tobacco marketing has skyrocketed by 277 percent to $547.9 million in 2008. In addition to marketing traditional chewing tobacco in kid-friendly flavors such as cherry, apple and citrus, tobacco companies have introduced new dissolvable and easily concealed tobacco products, called sticks, strips and orbs, that look like mints, breath strips and toothpicks.




tobaccofreekids.
org/what_we_do/industry_watch/warning_to_parents/

"Warning to Parents: How Big Tobacco Targets Kids Today - Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids"

All this doesn't show targeting to kids. Most of it is spin from ANTZ.

If you wish to speak for them, and/or play devil's advocate on how this constitutes "targeting" kids, I'm up for that discussion. Otherwise, I submit that you are yet to provide an example of targeting kids with cigarette advertisements.
 
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it seems Pretty Naïve to think that BT never ran Ads that they Know would Appeal to Minors more than to Adults.

The original point was advertisements targeting kids. Do you have any examples of this?

I can't think of any product's advertisements that would not appeal to kids. I can understand how some might be more appealing to larger segment of kids than others, though don't believe that means it is targeted. I'm thinking some people don't get how advertising works as a profession or an art.
 

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The last is not proof that kids were targeted. At the time, Flintstones ran in prime-time, a la similar to Simpsons, and was enjoyed by both adults and kids. This idea of "proof" is really saying that cartoons could only appeal to a kids, and therefore it is accurate to say Winston was only marketing to youth. But would neglect reality of who watched this show, how popular it was with adults and that Winston was looking to target those adults.
 

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Wikipedia article on The Flintstones:

Despite the animation and fantasy setting, the series was initially aimed at adult audiences, which was reflected in the comedy writing, which, as noted, resembled the average primetime sitcoms of the era, with the usual family issues resolved with a laugh at the end of each episode, as well as the inclusion of a laugh track. Hanna and Barbera hired many writers from the world of live-action including two of Jackie Gleason's writers, Herbert Finn and Sydney Zelinka, as well as relative newcomer Joanna Lee while still using traditional animation story men like Warren Foster and Michael Maltese.

The show premiered on September 30, 1960, at 8:30pm, and was an instant hit.
The Flintstones was the first American animated show to depict two people of the opposite sex (Fred and Wilma; Barney and Betty) sleeping together in one bed, although Fred and Wilma are sometimes depicted as sleeping in separate beds. For comparison, the first live-action depiction of this in American TV history was in television's first-ever sitcom: 1947's Mary Kay and Johnny.

The first two seasons were co-sponsored by Winston cigarettes and the characters appeared in several black and white television commercials for Winston (dictated by the custom, at that time, that the star(s) of a TV series often "pitched" their sponsor's product in an "integrated commercial" at the end of the episode).
 

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I am sooooo sick of hearing kids this and kids that. So what are they going to do hand cuffed them when not being eye-balled to keep them from playing the choking game? No substances whatever for that and its not slow but immediate death or permanently disabling due to brain oxygen deprivation. They're dying in higher numbers every time the stats come out just from that. I saw it on the news today as there's a movie called "The Choking Game" playing tomorrow night. I don't mean to send this OT but, really, when are we going to stop adversely affecting adult lives and earned freedoms as a means of trying to save senseless kids who haven't earned them yet because they aren't mature enough to handle them? Sorry... I'm just sooo sick of these namby pamby parents who want me to take care of their kids.... I never signed on for village duty and totally reject it unless it one individual kid in need who enters my immediate life and then its by my choice not by law.
 
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McDonald's got sued because coffee is hot. You never know.

This is really misleading. If you looked at what the case involved it was horrific. The coffee burned her black. 3rd degree burns. It was not 'just scalding' hot.

http://priceonomics.com/how-a-lawsuit-over-hot-coffee-helped-erode-the-7th/
The Actual Facts about the Mcdonalds' Coffee Case

I also find it hard to believe that a peer jury would be discounted by anyone. Who hasn't gotten a request to serve on a jury - or how could that be made any fairer? It's the jury who deciedes fault, degree of fault and sets awards. They don't have to hand out punative awards, usually when they do there is good reason that most people would agree with them given the same circumstances. I imagine most corporations would love to get rid of the jury system = the myth of the frivilous lawsuit. This applies to malpractice too.

This is the same system I hear people looking to defend their rights to ecigs.

IDK, just seems to me that misleading headline sensations over "hot coffee" and headlines we are battling with ecigs are eerily similar tactics.

IMO, no story about a case is worth believing in the first week. It's not even worth my time to read about it. They don't have all the details yet. Give it at least a month, better for six months, then look it up again.
 
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Variations on the theme of "We're all adults so let us make our own decisions." are the norm when railing against any form of government regulations regarding vaping.
Or for that matter any other personal pursuit currently threatened by our nanny state culture.

All of us that chose to smoke did so willingly didn't we?
Nobody held a gun to our collective heads and forced us to smoke. Didn't to me at any rate.

Regardless any evidence that may exist of tobacco management knowingly downplaying the effects of smoking you can't honestly think that smokers didn't know that they/we weren't willingly killing ourselves with each puff.

I do not support big tobaccos actions with respect to vaping. Hate em' for the actions they're taking in that regard, silly twits they are.
But I also think applauding punitive actions against big tobacco is completely out of line for folks that want to be considered adult and left alone to make their own decisions.
 
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