Billow RTA by EHPRO & Eciggity

[AquaLung22]

Thanks again cig!

Okay so last night when it leaked out a full tank, it was definitely coming from the airholes on the side. I really think the cold had something to do with that, because it was a full tank so no air could have gotten into the juice channels. But I haven't had this problem again, and it's been vaping incredibly.

BUT, now it's leaking a small amount out of the AFC screws I believe. I was messing with the AFC last night, and tightened it up a little bit. Every time I unscrew the Billow from my IPV, there's a ring of juice around the 510 where the atty sat, and some juice underneath the Billow around it's 510-pin as well. Which really worries me since the juice can leak through the seems of my IPV; and if it gets into the 510 area, there's nothing to stop it from ruining my brand new mod.
... I think there might be a little bit seeping out of the juice hole, too. I made sure it was tightened all the way when I filled my tank this morning, but the o-ring there might not be sufficient.

Maybe if I loosed the AFC or raise the wattage, the leaking will stop from underneath. At least it hasn't all just spilled out of the Air Holes light last night, now it's just a small amount leaking from the bottom. Hey, do these AFC screws come all the way out? How do I know when it's fully opened?

Also - if you tighten the AF screws all the way down, is the airflow completely blocked off for your Billows?? Can you still pull any air through, with the AFC completely closed off?
Because on my Billow, I can still pull a tiny bit of air through when the AF screws are screwed all the way in. I thought it should completely blocked off?

 

[AquaLung22]

I seem to lose flavor above 30-35watts (3.8v) - on this 0.37ohm, dual 26g microcoils (8wraps each). Man, what did I buy this huge 150w mod for?! lol

 

[cigatron]

Thanks again cig!

Okay so last night when it leaked out a full tank, it was definitely coming from the airholes on the side. I really think the cold had something to do with that, because it was a full tank so no air could have gotten into the juice channels. But I haven't had this problem again, and it's been vaping incredibly.

BUT, now it's leaking a small amount out of the AFC screws I believe. I was messing with the AFC last night, and tightened it up a little bit. Every time I unscrew the Billow from my IPV, there's a ring of juice around the 510 where the atty sat, and some juice underneath the Billow around it's 510-pin as well. Which really worries me since the juice can leak through the seems of my IPV; and if it gets into the 510 area, there's nothing to stop it from ruining my brand new mod.
... I think there might be a little bit seeping out of the juice hole, too. I made sure it was tightened all the way when I filled my tank this morning, but the o-ring there might not be sufficient.

Maybe if I loosed the AFC or raise the wattage, the leaking will stop from underneath. At least it hasn't all just spilled out of the Air Holes light last night, now it's just a small amount leaking from the bottom. Hey, do these AFC screws come all the way out? How do I know when it's fully opened?

Also - if you tighten the AF screws all the way down, is the airflow completely blocked off for your Billows?? Can you still pull any air through, with the AFC completely closed off?
Because on my Billow, I can still pull a tiny bit of air through when the AF screws are screwed all the way in. I thought it should completely blocked off?

Can't tell you about the airflow screws as I don't own a billow yet. Trying to decide between the billow and the lemo for my next purchase. Just sharing general info about RTAs for those not familiar with their functionality.

A vacuum test before your next fill will tell you if your RTA is sealing properly. Make sure everything is clean and tight. Take off the driptip. Plug the airholes with your fingers and suck on the top. Kinda like giving a hickey. So you create the suction with your mouth (not your lungs) and place your tongue over the driptip hole to seal the vacuum. (Woe, that didn't sound right!). Anyway, keep that seal for 5 seconds. Your tongue should stay stuck. If it doesn't air is entering the device from somewhere it shouldn't be. Check your glass tank seals for deformity, your fill screw seal, and your glass tank for chips around the edges. If all looks good but it still won't hold vacuum then it's probably leaking through the 510 connection and/or the afc screws. To ensure it's not the afc screws you will have to seal the threads with teflon tape or TFE paste. If you do that and it still won't hold vacuum then it's probably leaking through the 510. Not good. From what I'm hearing about leaking here on this thread, and how many fixes folks have tried, the 510 is suspect in my thinking.

Good luck,

Ps. Sealing the afc screws is necessary for vacuum testing only. Leaky afc screws will not effect normal function of the device. All teflon tape or sealer should be removed before vaping.

cig

 

[AquaLung22]

Ok so I can now confirm that some juice is definitely seeping out of the airflow screws`..
Do you think this is a design flaw? Or something I can work on. Keep in mind, This is my 1st time building on, wicking, and vaping an RTA of any sort. But I'm pretty good at building - coils came.out perfect & wick looked great too. Steady at 0.4 on my IPV

Btw, I should've know that vacuum test would be a bad idea with juice still in the tank.. lost a few more mLs, I can't afford to keep spilling juice!! And even worse, risk it seeping into my new IPV3 and ruining it

Hopefully I can solve the AF-screw leaks somehow with some more fiddling. The vape experience on this is worth the effort!
... and I'm pretty sure it only leaks out of the holes when tipped for a minute, like.you said. I've.pretty much stopped that

 

[nasca]

I can't afford to keep spilling juice!!

whenever I'm testing out new stuff or troubleshooting, I just use USP-grade VG cut with drops of distilled water. it's an easy way to save money & liquid.

 

[kitten frenzy]

Hmmm... so many reports of leaking.
I guess I'll just have to wait for a revised version.

Any other options for an RTA made for dual coil with airflow comparable to the Lemo?

 

[Nuclear Cowboy]

+1 I'm going pass on this one myself.

The Orchid is almost identical in airflow to the Lemo and is a duel coil setup. It can be a little temperamental to wick but once you figure it out they work great and have pretty good flavor to boot.

 

[roxynoodle]

+1 I'm going pass on this one myself.

The Orchid is almost identical in airflow to the Lemo and is a duel coil setup. It can be a little temperamental to wick but once you figure it out they work great and have pretty good flavor to boot.

I have the exact same build on my Billow and Orchid . I'm hoping my Billow doesn't start leaking, but if it does, I could just get another Orchid clone.

 

[ultrabadger]

I think I'm going to try some Teflon tape to see if I can get the leaking on mine to stop.

Ok so I can now confirm that some juice is definitely seeping out of the airflow screws`..
Do you think this is a design flaw? Or something I can work on. Keep in mind, This is my 1st time building on, wicking, and vaping an RTA of any sort. But I'm pretty good at building - coils came.out perfect & wick looked great too. Steady at 0.4 on my IPV

Btw, I should've know that vacuum test would be a bad idea with juice still in the tank.. lost a few more mLs, I can't afford to keep spilling juice!! And even worse, risk it seeping into my new IPV3 and ruining it

Hopefully I can solve the AF-screw leaks somehow with some more fiddling. The vape experience on this is worth the effort!
... and I'm pretty sure it only leaks out of the holes when tipped for a minute, like.you said. I've.pretty much stopped that

 

[Nailz]

I agree the leaking is coming from the air screws, strange as they did raised air intakes on the build deck to stop leaking, but so far I have not been able to make it leak free, just did a new build, as wanted to sand down the screws to stop them cutting the wire when mounting. This time I did 26gauge coils 9 wraps coming to 0.50ohms, and used more cotton than my last build, so could pack the cotton around the air holes more and still got slight leaking.

If it wasn't for the leaking, this thing would be awesome, as love the vape I get from it, good flavor and plenty of vapor.

 

[AquaLung22]

Yeah I'm really disappointed in the AF-screw leak... If it wasn't for that, this device would be amazing. Couldn't they work out the bugs, before release??
.. Kinda regretting this buy now, wish I just got the Lemo or Orchid like I was going to

 

[dirtech]

Don't understand all the leaking issues. Since watching that youtube video earlier in this thread, I'm not leak free but its hardly noticeable.

 

[AquaLung22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjemEjlPwc << this video?
Around 32:40, I'm going to try tucking my wicks towards the air holes like he did. I trimmed mine a lot shorter than that, I just trimmed them up so they ended right where it meets the top of the juice channel. I thinned out the wicks too towards the channel, which I don't think was necassary.

Hopefully a little more wick, and that "tuck method" shown above will solve this leaking problem?

 

[Nailz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjemEjlPwc << this video?
Around 32:40, I'm going to try tucking my wicks towards the air holes like he did. I trimmed mine a lot shorter than that, I just trimmed them up so they ended right where it meets the top of the juice channel. I thinned out the wicks too towards the channel, which I don't think was necassary.

Hopefully a little more wick, and that "tuck method" shown above will solve this leaking problem?

No it won't, look a few posts back I posted, just did that wick method and still leaks from the air screws.

Will add, I should say wicking that way does help with the leaking, it doesn't leak as bad, but still get a little seeping.

 

[CloudKick]

Someone should just fill the deck with water below the decks air holes with the air screws out and see what happens

 

[kitten frenzy]

+1 I'm going pass on this one myself.

The Orchid is almost identical in airflow to the Lemo and is a duel coil setup. It can be a little temperamental to wick but once you figure it out they work great and have pretty good flavor to boot.

Looking at the design of the Orchid's deck, why is it less prone to leaking than the Billow?
It seems as if it would leak even more without the raised lips of the air flow ports.
Insight is appreciated. Thanks!

 

[AquaLung22]

No it won't, look a few posts back I posted, just did that wick method and still leaks from the air screws.

Will add, I should say wicking that way does help with the leaking, it doesn't leak as bad, but still get a little seeping.

Damn.. Wouldn't have bought this thing if I knew it would leak. Flavor seems a little lacking too, but that could be my build.
.. Ultrabadger, let is know if teflon/plumbers tape works. I might try that myself, can't hurt

edit: I also see a lot of people saying that their Billow does not leak - can any of those people share their build & wicking method?
I realllyy want to get this thing working right!

 

[nopoison]

yep.. i dont want to jinx myself but no leaks after about three full tanks. build same as my foggers and orchids. rayon, thinned tails, pull a a few strands into the juice channel less than 2mm long..

ok, i guess to be honest i do get a very tiny bit of leakage from the air flow screws.. very minor and i dont really consider it a "leak" but its there.. i think its so minor that on the fogger and dripper that are solid air channels with a 90 degree bend it is there but just not noticeable. just my

 

[roxynoodle]

I made up my own wicking style for both this and the Orchid. I'll share one as soon as I rewick. I just filled them both again.

I'm having trouble filling the Billow. First time, no problem. Second time, a bit problematic. Just now,made quite a mess, and had some flooding with dripping out the top. How many are top filling this? I'm about to from now on.

 

[roxynoodle]

Oh and no leaking yet. This is the third tank.