Bionic Vapor Discussion

[sjtown]

i'd tend to agree except for in the case of eliquid, they are all using the same exact ingredients, the only change is flavoring...thats it, the playing field is pretty level, it's basically coke and pepsi, yes you might prefer one over the other, but are you willing to pay 3x more for one than the other? because the difference is so tiny

mcdonalds vs bobby flay....mcdonalds is using 100 ingreidents for their meat and bobby flay is probably using grass fed beef, so you can't compare the two

now if a juice vendor starts steeping their juice in oak barrell's for extra flavor....then maybe i'll start to pay attention haha, i wonder if someone can store flavors for years at a time before mixing it to get a better product like wine....hmm

i guess i just don't put these juice vendors on a pedestals and don't think of it as art, similar how to i dont' think putting some metal pieces together to hold a battery as art and continue to buy clones

Funny enough there are vendors that do steep them in barrels
Also not all flavorings are the same(ie ingredients of grass fed beef bs processed) Some are definitely better, i DIY 90% of my juice, but still have shelf for my bionics. Some use alcohol or not, stranger/weaker and so forth.
It all depends on if you like theirs the best

 

[GMayberry]

Thought he did?...

Well played! I thought I was the only one that would have caught that right away!!

 

[GMayberry]

i'd tend to agree except for in the case of eliquid, they are all using the same exact ingredients, the only change is flavoring...thats it, the playing field is pretty level, it's basically coke and pepsi, yes you might prefer one over the other, but are you willing to pay 3x more for one than the other? because the difference is so tiny

mcdonalds vs bobby flay....mcdonalds is using 100 ingreidents for their meat and bobby flay is probably using grass fed beef, so you can't compare the two

now if a juice vendor starts steeping their juice in oak barrell's for extra flavor....then maybe i'll start to pay attention haha, i wonder if someone can store flavors for years at a time before mixing it to get a better product like wine....hmm

i guess i just don't put these juice vendors on a pedestals and don't think of it as art, similar how to i dont' think putting some metal pieces together to hold a battery as art and continue to buy clones

I am honestly trying my best to not respond to your posts, but you are making it more and more difficult...

For the first bold print... NO, they don't all use the same ingredients. Some dilute with alcohol, some load a bunch of sweeteners, some use distilled water. As for the flavorings, some use better quality than others, and some make their own extracts.

For the second bold print... Alot DO age their juices in oak barrels. (with 1 L)

 

[IML8]

now if a juice vendor starts steeping their juice in oak barrell's for extra flavor....then maybe i'll start to pay attention haha

You mean like Earth's Bounty Crème Brûlée?

 

[GMayberry]

Soooo... Young Gotti has now taken to private messages to ask me to provide "proof" and "reports" that there are better quality PG, VG, and nic than others. I simply stated that different vendors of each have better quality and taste than others, and also stated that, as always, taste is subjective.

If anyone here has seen or heard of reports or proof of said items, please refer Young Gotti to them. He doesn't give up, and I can't provide the counseling he needs.

Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.

 

[young gotti]

Soooo... Young Gotti has now taken to private messages to ask me to provide "proof" and "reports" that there are better quality PG, VG, and nic than others. I simply stated that different vendors of each have better quality and taste than others, and also stated that, as always, taste is subjective.

If anyone here has seen or heard of reports or proof of said items, please refer Young Gotti to them. He doesn't give up, and I can't provide the counseling he needs.

Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.

didn't want to bog down the bionic thread.....you seemed to be on your high horse and had no idea what your talking about so i proved it

 

[sjtown]

Sooooooo have either of you tryed bionic yet?

 

[GMayberry]

Sooooooo have either of you tryed bionic yet?

Absolutely! Was dripping Drunken Jungle yesterday, Rainbow Madness today. I love all of Jorge's juices that I have tried so far, which stands at 7. All 30ml, and all glass bottles. I don't mind one bit paying for good, premium juice.

 

[Midniteoyl]

i'd tend to agree except for in the case of eliquid, they are all using the same exact ingredients, the only change is flavoring...thats it, the playing field is pretty level, it's basically coke and pepsi, yes you might prefer one over the other, but are you willing to pay 3x more for one than the other? because the difference is so tiny

mcdonalds vs bobby flay....mcdonalds is using 100 ingreidents for their meat and bobby flay is probably using grass fed beef, so you can't compare the two

now if a juice vendor starts steeping their juice in oak barrell's for extra flavor....then maybe i'll start to pay attention haha, i wonder if someone can store flavors for years at a time before mixing it to get a better product like wine....hmm

i guess i just don't put these juice vendors on a pedestals and don't think of it as art, similar how to i dont' think putting some metal pieces together to hold a battery as art and continue to buy clones

No.. they are not using the exact same flavorings.. There are different places to get your flavorings each with a different quality level. Theres a difference in whether its synthetic or natural extracts too.

 

[Midniteoyl]

didn't want to bog down the bionic thread.....you seemed to be on your high horse and had no idea what your talking about so i proved it

No... you didnt.

 

[IML8]

if taste is subjective then you can't possibly say one brand is better quality because thats all opinion

I don't know if there is an actual difference in the quality of the base components (PG, VG & Nicotine) of e-juices or not; I haven't looked into it, but this is just getting silly. You can't possibly mean what you said, young gotti.

You're conflating quality (definable physical attributes) with qualia (an indefinable conscious experience that goes to taste and preference). It's generally accepted that quality is directly correlated with qualia in most instances, but not 100% of the time. My wife, for instance, prefers margarine to butter and tap water to purified water, but there is no real disagreement about which is of the higher quality and I'm reasonably certain she's part of a trivial minority. Her preference is just the result of familial and environmental pressures as she was growing up. Real butter and purified water taste foreign to her.

On the other hand, I'm guessing nobody here grew up with vaping and, consequently, it logically follows that degrees of purity and quality control (objectively measurable) in the manufacturing processes would naturally correlate in a directly proportional way with generally preferred tastes (subjective qualia). It just makes sense given our everyday common experiences.

Okay, I'm through stirring the pot...for now...except when it comes to Ground Breaking. If someone doesn't like that I'm pretty sure their taste buds are broken.

 

[GMayberry]

I don't know if there is an actual difference in the quality of the base components (PG, VG & Nicotine) of e-juices or not; I haven't looked into it, but this is just getting silly. You can't possibly mean what you said, young gotti.

You're conflating quality (definable physical attributes) with qualia (an indefinable conscious experience that goes to taste and preference). It's generally accepted that quality is directly correlated with qualia in most instances, but not 100% of the time. My wife, for instance, prefers margarine to butter and tap water to purified water, but there is no real disagreement about which is of the higher quality and I'm reasonably certain she's part of a trivial minority. Her preference is just the result of familial and environmental pressures as she was growing up. Real butter and purified water taste foreign to her.

On the other hand, I'm guessing nobody here grew up with vaping and, consequently, it logically follows that degrees of purity and quality control (objectively measurable) in the manufacturing processes would naturally correlate in a directly proportional way with generally preferred tastes (subjective qualia). It just makes sense given our everyday common experiences.

Okay, I'm through stirring the pot...for now...except when it comes to Ground Breaking. If someone doesn't like that I'm pretty sure their taste buds are broken.

Well said, sir. Well said!

 

[young gotti]

I don't know if there is an actual difference in the quality of the base components (PG, VG & Nicotine) of e-juices or not; I haven't looked into it, but this is just getting silly. You can't possibly mean what you said, young gotti.

You're conflating quality (definable physical attributes) with qualia (an indefinable conscious experience that goes to taste and preference). It's generally accepted that quality is directly correlated with qualia in most instances, but not 100% of the time. My wife, for instance, prefers margarine to butter and tap water to purified water, but there is no real disagreement about which is of the higher quality and I'm reasonably certain she's part of a trivial minority. Her preference is just the result of familial and environmental pressures as she was growing up. Real butter and purified water taste foreign to her.

On the other hand, I'm guessing nobody here grew up with vaping and, consequently, it logically follows that degrees of purity and quality control (objectively measurable) in the manufacturing processes would naturally correlate in a directly proportional way with generally preferred tastes (subjective qualia). It just makes sense given our everyday common experiences.

Okay, I'm through stirring the pot...for now...except when it comes to Ground Breaking. If someone doesn't like that I'm pretty sure their taste buds are broken.

thank you....and yes when someone says one juice is better quality than the next, all i'm looking for is the ingredients other than taste, being more pure and of higher quality standards

like in your example and with my background, if company A has creatine from China and company B has creatine from Germany, well they tested that a lot of the creatine that was coming from china wasn't pure however the germany creatine often tested at 99% pure creatine...originally thats all i was looking for when someone said one liquid was better quality than the next because all (pg/vg/and nicotine) should be the same quality unless proven otherwise

flavor is all of opinion...my opinion is the flavors aren't that big of difference, so i don't take anyone saying they enjoy a flavor anymore than another brand as a "quality" issue, thats on the same level as saying i prefer a black car over a red car or I prefer vanilla milk shake over chocolate, not really a quality issue here, i also don't find a need to pay $17 over $7 merely for a little flavor difference, possibly why i'm going to purchase from bionic and itcvapes because they are more realistic price difference to me

 

[sonicdsl]

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Thank you

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[sjtown]

possibly why i'm going to purchase from bionic and itcvapes because they are more realistic price difference to me

Id be super interested to hear your opinions of bionic if you decide to give Jorge a go.
I never though much of a difference between juices(besides flavor, which is subjective anyways) in quality, but I know he changes the formula based on your ratio as well. I tend to like highest vg, and his is one of the few that really stand out for me.

 

[GMayberry]

I want to publicly apologize for letting one of the posters in this thread get the best of me. This is a thread to discuss some great juice, by a great vendor, and I played part in throwing it way off topic. In the beginning, I was simply defending the artistry that our favorite vendors display, and I let someone veer me from that, to a heated debate. In turn, I myself violated rules by posting the contents of our private messages. Childish behavior, very unlike me. Simple as that. For that, I apologize to those who frequent this thread for it's intended topic, and I vow to stay on topic.

Jorge makes some amazing juice, and this thread is here to highlight that, so let's keep it going!

 

[young gotti]

Id be super interested to hear your opinions of bionic if you decide to give Jorge a go.
I never though much of a difference between juices(besides flavor, which is subjective anyways) in quality, but I know he changes the formula based on your ratio as well. I tend to like highest vg, and his is one of the few that really stand out for me.

got any recommendations? i was leaning towards the cariibean or cruise line juices haha but i think the one with the spaceship sounded ok as well, i tend to gravitate towards fruit or candy vapes like bananas, watermelons, green apple

if the custard is good i can give it a try but custards aren't really my cup of tea

 

[GMayberry]

Back on track. I like it!

 

[TheProphet]

Dance With Miami is the best fruit flavor they have IMO. I haven't tried the new cruises yet though.

 

[GMayberry]

Dance With Miami is the best fruit flavor they have IMO. I haven't tried the new cruises yet though.

That was my first try, and still my favorite! It is in my top 5 rotation for sure!