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I'm glad you like it Ekat! It's one of my favorite liquids!

Ahhh so you are the Prophet behind that juice! I have been talking to Jorge a bit lately about a recipe he is going to try of mine. Never had the intention of him using it, I just wanted to see how it comes out with my recipe, but his contents and expertise. Your blend sounds amazing and it is on my next order list!
 

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bionic is going to be one of my next juice purchases, just wish they had more flavors, the price is right just the selection is iffy

I believe we have discussed something along these lines before. If you want lots of selection, Mt Baker Vapor has a great selection at great prices. His specialties include, grape, strawberry, watermelon, and coffee.

Btw, did you ever get a chance to copy that Nickoticket juice with MBV flavors mixed together? I just never heard back from you on that. :D

is nicoticket worth $5 more per 30ml? are the flavors that much better? it's the same reason i never bought some of these more expensive juice....my buddy swears by the more expensive juices and claims mbv is awful so i'm going to dabble here or there to see if i can tell a huge difference

but for example: Betelgeuse blends 4 fruit flavors - Raspberry, Mango, Pineapple, and Strawberry.....i can buy a 30ml of each flavor from mbv and have 120ml to mix my own flavor if i wanted to, time will tell i suppose

Trust me, it's not that simple. These flavors all require certain percentages, and different levels depending on what they are mixed with. These recipes are quite a bit more complex than just "mix this with that and ta-da!"

not saying your wrong...but i have a hard time believeing it's some crazy process to find the "special blend" to make the juice just right, i'm half tempted to order each flavor mentioned in the nicoticket write up from mbv during the 4th sale along with betelgeuse and compare my mixture vs theirs

my guess is someone threw different fruits together and was like this is good, lets recreate it...ok this is good, lets go with it
 
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Can anybody recommend steep time for custard assault? I got it yesterday and gave it a warm water steep and a few hours with the to off? It smells like it should be ready to go, but wanted to check to see if anyone else had recommendations. :)


Custard Assault was great right out of the mailbox for me. I have had it about two weeks so far and it keeps getting better. But honestly good from the very beginning!
 

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I believe we have discussed something along these lines before. If you want lots of selection, Mt Baker Vapor has a great selection at great prices. His specialties include, grape, strawberry, watermelon, and coffee.

Btw, did you ever get a chance to copy that Nickoticket juice with MBV flavors mixed together? I just never heard back from you on that. :D

yeah i mixed my own flavors from MBV and they were all pretty fantastic, i blended one after their beatle juice or whatever and got a really good juice, didn't end up buying any nicoticket because i spend all my juice money on resonably priced juice...my own mistake, i kept ordering from july 4th sales and ended up like ohhh...i'm out of money

as far as having less selection with better quality over a ton of flavors makes little sense to me because if your using multiple flavors to make a blend of flavors....for example if you use strawberry in one of the blends, then it's good enough for the blend but not good enough to sell on it's own? maybe bionic does, i can't look because the site is shut down, the strawberry was just an example, but if a company is already using the flavor in their mixes then they should sell it on it's own as well....it's common sense
 

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yeah i mixed my own flavors from MBV and they were all pretty fantastic, i blended one after their beatle juice or whatever and got a really good juice, didn't end up buying any nicoticket because i spend all my juice money on resonably priced juice...my own mistake, i kept ordering from july 4th sales and ended up like ohhh...i'm out of money

as far as having less selection with better quality over a ton of flavors makes little sense to me because if your using multiple flavors to make a blend of flavors....for example if you use strawberry in one of the blends, then it's good enough for the blend but not good enough to sell on it's own? maybe bionic does, i can't look because the site is shut down, the strawberry was just an example, but if a company is already using the flavor in their mixes then they should sell it on it's own as well....it's common sense

Ummmm..... ok. I'm sorry I can't say more without violating forum rules. Enjoy your logic, as well as your juice. :D
 

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Why would they sell a flavor on it's own and go through much more flavoring when they can just sell it in the mix? Thousands of eliquid vendors have a strawberry flavor, but there's only one Drunken Jungle. If you want one note, low quality flavors buy MBV. If you want actually decent blends, prepare to shell out a little more money (Bionic is not that much more expensive) or start DIY. I will personally keep buying from Nicoticket and Bionic because the extra price is worth the time and care they've put into perfecting blends. I'd rather have fantastic than good enough. I really don't think you have room to start calling a juice not reasonably priced until you've tasted it, which in NTs case you've admitted you haven't. How do you know that Clarks prices are unreasonable without trying them first? They're extremely fair for the quality of the liquid. I'm sure that real Betelgeuse will completely blow whatever MBV concoction you created out of the water, simply because Clark's liquid is much better quality than the crap MBV uses.
 

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Why would they sell a flavor on it's own and go through much more flavoring when they can just sell it in the mix? Thousands of eliquid vendors have a strawberry flavor, but there's only one Drunken Jungle. If you want one note, low quality flavors buy MBV. If you want actually decent blends, prepare to shell out a little more money (Bionic is not that much more expensive) or start DIY. I will personally keep buying from Nicoticket and Bionic because the extra price is worth the time and care they've put into perfecting blends. I'd rather have fantastic than good enough. I really don't think you have room to start calling a juice not reasonably priced until you've tasted it, which in NTs case you've admitted you haven't. How do you know that Clarks prices are unreasonable without trying them first? They're extremely fair for the quality of the liquid. I'm sure that real Betelgeuse will completely blow whatever MBV concoction you created out of the water, simply because Clark's liquid is much better quality than the crap MBV uses.

Funny you mention Drunken Jungle, that is what I am dripping today!! :D I have fought this same battle with "Young Gotti" before and got no where. He made a comment along the lines of "there is no crazy process to making a good juice." To that I simply stated that he was correct, no crazy process, but lots of trial and error. I will find my response and copy it here in just a minute.

Found it, and I had already quoted his comment above. Here is my reply:

"Crazy process" was never mentioned. I am safely assuming you have never ventured into DIY juices. A perfect example to use is this. A few weeks ago, someone asked me to make them a peaches and cream juice. Simple enough. I have peach flavoring, and I have sweet cream flavoring. What you are saying is just mix the two, right? That was my obvious starting point, knowing what the main flavors had to be, but beyond that comes trial and error. The initial mix was enough to make me want to vomit. Once I had a good "simple peaches and cream" flavored juice, it had 6 different flavors in it.

If you want to test this theory, go on Amazon and order some PG and some VG. You can get both for $10-20, depending on how much you order. Then hop on over to Wizard Labs and get a few flavors and some nic. Mix away and please share your results. :D
 

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Funny you mention Drunken Jungle, that is what I am dripping today!! :D I have fought this same battle with "Young Gotti" before and got no where. He made a comment along the lines of "there is no crazy process to making a good juice." To that I simply stated that he was correct, no crazy process, but lots of trial and error. I will find my response and copy it here in just a minute.

Found it, and I had already quoted his comment above. Here is my reply:

Eh, just like with ANTZ, you can't fix ignorance.
 

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Why would they sell a flavor on it's own and go through much more flavoring when they can just sell it in the mix? Thousands of eliquid vendors have a strawberry flavor, but there's only one Drunken Jungle. If you want one note, low quality flavors buy MBV. If you want actually decent blends, prepare to shell out a little more money (Bionic is not that much more expensive) or start DIY. I will personally keep buying from Nicoticket and Bionic because the extra price is worth the time and care they've put into perfecting blends. I'd rather have fantastic than good enough. I really don't think you have room to start calling a juice not reasonably priced until you've tasted it, which in NTs case you've admitted you haven't. How do you know that Clarks prices are unreasonable without trying them first? They're extremely fair for the quality of the liquid. I'm sure that real Betelgeuse will completely blow whatever MBV concoction you created out of the water, simply because Clark's liquid is much better quality than the crap MBV uses.

that post is full of *facepalm* but i'm going to try bionic mainly because of the price, but i highly doubt it's any better than mbv or any other vendor for that matter, my whole arguement is based around all these "premium" juices all use the same ingredients (chemicals) (pg,vg,nicotine) to make their juices, flavors might be a tad differnt but thats it....i've tried more expensive liquid, theres no difference, i give ZERO brownie points for sitting in a room and blending stuff, i do that on my own, i'm not paying extra prices for it, those companies can pound sand

and i have no idea who clark is and he can charge whatever he wants, it's a free world, i can also call him out if i feel the need based on price alone

again if i find something that blows me away i'll be the first to post about, to this date i see very little difference between a $5 bottle of liquid vs something like five pawns at $30
 

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I'm just sad that the downtime coincided with my need to order more Dance with Miami. I can't for the life of me find my bottle of Jungle either. Shame, that had a good 2 month steep on it. I'll probably order more of that an another bottle of Drunken Cheesecake since my beta bottle is almost out. Haven't heard anything from Jorge about whether that will remain a permanent flavor or not.
 

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that post is full of *facepalm* but i'm going to try bionic mainly because of the price, but i highly doubt it's any better than mbv or any other vendor for that matter, my whole arguement is based around all these "premium" juices all use the same ingredients (chemicals) (pg,vg,nicotine) to make their juices, flavors might be a tad differnt but thats it....i've tried more expensive liquid, theres no difference, i give ZERO brownie points for sitting in a room and blending stuff, i do that on my own, i'm not paying extra prices for it, those companies can pound sand

and i have no idea who clark is and he can charge whatever he wants, it's a free world, i can also call him out if i feel the need based on price alone

again if i find something that blows me away i'll be the first to post about, to this date i see very little difference between a $5 bottle of liquid vs something like five pawns at $30

And your lack of an open mind is why you fail to see the difference. Step out from behind the curtain of ignorance and actually look at what goes into the liquids.

Cool, you can mix flavors and don't want to pay extra for someone else to do it for you. That's fine, I respect that. But you're also not accounting for how much time and effort they put into getting that mix absolutely perfect. You're also not accounting for the fact that there are different qualities of flavorings out there. If you use cheap flavorings, like MBV, you'll get cheap, one note flavors. If you use higher quality flavors and even personally extract flavors, then you're flavoring sand liquid is going to be much better. Clark's pricing is extremely reasonable for the quality he sells. Until you at least try his liquids, you have absolutely no room to call him out on his prices.
 

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Ok, here is an example.... Let's try it this way. I have a fully custom sportbike. It is airbrushed from top to bottom, and front to back. I paid ALOT for the paintjob. Now the guy across the street from me is a federal officer by trade, but he knows how to work a Rustoleum can pretty well. His patio furniture has a beautiful black coat. It looks good. He would have gladly painted my bike for alot less, probably for free since we are friends as long as I bought the Rustoleum for him. I however, went to an artist who has perfected his trade. My bike doesn't look ok, it looks great!

Maybe this helps... maybe not.... :2c:
 
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