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I actually loaded custard assault tonight. Due to bad infection and medication my taste is a little off... But I general it's a very nice vanilla custard that is absolutely smooth.
I really tried MBV I wanted to like MBV to save money, and they almost cost me to go back to smoking. MBV is a great company for those that enjoy their juice. But there is a huge difference between MBV fresh juice and Bionic fresh. bionic there was no hint of perfume smell or taste. I really think MBV uses more of a alcohol base that creates an off taste in all their juices that I hate.
Is the juice worth more? Yes, absolutely, from what I can detect right now it's going to be a very nice smooth vape to relax too. Their flavors will find their way into my rotation with my other vendors. Not any one vendor does every flavor perfect for everybody's taste. MBV to me always had an off taste regardless of steep time and for a while I thought that's how all liquids would be, I learned there is a difference in cheap, reasonably price and premium. And even some premium juice aren't my cup of tea.
In my opinion Bionic is a good vape and well worth the price they charge.
Threw the Custard Assault in another Kayfun today. This one has cotton wick rather than rayon. I'll say that it performed much better on cotton than on rayon. Still not a reorder for me, but better than my initial assessment.
i wasn't questioning the price of bionic, i was actually questioning the selection they have and said i wished they had more...i'm going to order from them when i run out of liquid, right now i have a bunch....but from their page nothing really jumped out at my based on their limited selection that i was like ohh that sounds like i absolutely need it! thats all i said
thats when ppl brought up nicoticket, and imo paying 3X as much as i do now for juice is a waste...have i tried nicoticket before? no, but in over 2 years i have noticed no big difference in flavor qualities the way people lose their mind about on here, i don't get chemical taste from MBV and think their flavors as just as good as any vendor i've tried to date...for the record i didn't always use MBV and I don't always use them either, i'm just saying from my experience of trying a lot of juice vendors that the difference in flavors are sooo small that the higher priced juices don't justify the price tag, i don't care if they mix 4 flavors together, it's not difficult and don't believe someone is sitting around for a month making sure it's perfect because it doesn't make a huge difference if it's an extra drop of this or that
right now i have a mixture of spurberry and sour yum both from mbv and it's delicious but if i use 2ml of one and 3 ml of the other or vice versa will not give it a magically different taste, tomorrow i have tank filled with yaelig's banana and cream, strawberries and cream, and ecblends dragon magic...
i went on to say if someone is taking the time to make a quality strawberry, a quality peach, quality mango, and quality pear just for a blend....why not sell those flavors individually? it doesn't cost the company extra if they are already making them and gives the customers more a selection or in my case to make a blend that i enjoy more than their premade blends
Personally I rather see companies make less juice flavors, but do them well. Seems like when a company tries too do too much, the something is bound to suffer at some point. And for the most part e-liquid companies are always adding something new. But even the top premium companies only do a handful of flavors, but they do those very well and have a huge following, Five Pawns for example.
For me MBV I just always tasted something odd, some get the same taste, some never seem to notice it. Who know why. I tried Bionic because I wanted a good custard, and it is good, kind of light when fresh, but I will let it steep and let my meds wear off and try again, but overall I am happy with it. And I get you point about flavoring, but from my standpoint it's not a big deal. I never plan to DIY unless end forced too by the FDA. Just too much else going o. In my life to handle another activity.
i agree on a company doesn't need a thousand flavors, i just figure if they are making the individual flavors for a blend already, why not sell the individual flavors? for example if they don't include a bubble gum flavor in any of their blends, then yes don't make a bubble gum for no reason
i can't diy either, i don't have the time or the trust in myself to be sterile enough...i do have some flavorings coming but mainly because i bought some organic juices and the flavors are really light
I think sometimes it's because they want the customer to have a good experience. Some flavors just can't be obtained at certain ratios. So if they sold their flavoring that call for 40/60 and somebody mixed it at 70/30, the company could garden a bad rep quickly.
I get the feeling you're under the impression that vendors mix up complete individual flavored juices of all sorts and then mix them together to get the blend flavor they're going for. The fact is the they mix 'flavorings' together to come up with one perfect blend of ejuice. If a fruit blend contains watermelon, strawberry, mango and pineapple, they don't make each one into a juice and mix them together. If they did, I'm sure they'd be happy to sell the single flavored juices, but that's not how it's done.
If we're taking a poll I will add that I find MBV juices pretty much unvapeable. There is a common taste in all of them that I hate. I don't know if it's the nic, PG, VG or flavorings, but there's something there I can't stand. I wanted to like their juice, I really did. Who wouldn't at that price? I must say they have great customer service and lightning fast shipping......but that taste......
I get the feeling you're under the impression that vendors mix up complete individual flavored juices of all sorts and then mix them together to get the blend flavor they're going for. The fact is the they mix 'flavorings' together to come up with one perfect blend of ejuice. If a fruit blend contains watermelon, strawberry, mango and pineapple, they don't make each one into a juice and mix them together. If they did, I'm sure they'd be happy to sell the single flavored juices, but that's not how it's done.
If we're taking a poll I will add that I find MBV juices pretty much unvapeable. There is a common taste in all of them that I hate. I don't know if it's the nic, PG, VG or flavorings, but there's something there I can't stand. I wanted to like their juice, I really did. Who wouldn't at that price? I must say they have great customer service and lightning fast shipping......but that taste......
Vendors dont 'make their flavorings', they buy them.. Their single flavor 'simple' juices are just base, nic, and a few drops of pre-bought flavor. The 'dual-flavor' ones are just that as well - few drops of pre-bought strawberry and a couple of 'cream', for example. Not hard to do at all and very easy to do at home. Shoot, you can even buy pre-made Cappacino.. Just add a few drops and done. Simple, cheap, and you can pay a below minimum wage lab rate to mix them. The 'complex' juices however, such as Bionic, are still made with pre-bought flavors, but are blended together to produce something that has a totally different flavor profile. Such complex juices can contain up to 10 different flavors or more and really takes an artistic touch and a keen tastbud to get 'right'. Its like the same difference of buying Kraft BBQ sauce and simply slathering it on, or going to a Champion BBQ place.. Just no comparison in flavor.
young gotti, I think you should probably just stick with MBV. There are thousands of e-juice vendors out there, and if you don't approve of their business plan, you should maybe just shop elsewhere. It's called voting with your wallet.
I have to agree with thayamax. I, too, really wanted to like MBV. But there's something in their juice that just tastes bad to me. That doesn't mean it's bad juice, it just means taste is subjective. Now, I will say that there was something (a different something, but still something) that I didn't like about any of the Nicoticket juices I got, either. And I'm waiting for my first Bionic order, so I don't know what I will think of it yet.
All of that is beside the point... The point is, don't get hung up on how one or another juice vendor does business. Find what you like, and go for it!
The Dream and Lie of Franco doesn't count. They were intended as fund raisers. The irony did make me chuckle though. I probably should have picked an example that didn't require qualifiers
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A few vendors actually do make most of their flavorings. That kind of sets them apart.
I actually prefer a vendor that does a handful of flavors right, rather than replicating dozens of flavors everyone else already does.
I suppose it all boils down to if you are happy with something, great. but why try to tear others down? I normally see that behavior from people trying to justify their stance by talking bad about other stances. Maybe this isn't the case here. If so, I apologize.
Bottom line, if you are happy, with a vendor then by all means, continue to patronize them. But when you start talking down about other vendors, ESPECIALLY ones you haven't even tried, well expect some flack.
There are tons of variables making juice. The source of the vg,pg,nicotine and flavors chosen/used,are huge in how they impact taste. The ratios of each used, in addition to how they are mixed and how they are steeped before they are released to the public are bordering on an art form. Its the difference between fast food and fine dining to many many vapors...especially those that have tweaked their gear to get the best flavors and vapor production to them.
If you don't get it and are happy, that's great! If it keeps you satisfied and off the coffin nails we all salute your victory and encourage you to keep don't what works for you. Just dont start throwing stones at others who believe different and are also happy.
Oh... And clark is a nickname for kent.. Who owns nicoticket. It is a reference to Clark Kent... Superman... That was given to him by his loyal and large customer base for his juice and customer service.
Via a possessed phone thats autocorrect is just silly
Bottom line, if you are happy, with a vendor then by all means, continue to patronize them. But when you start talking down about other vendors, ESPECIALLY ones you haven't even tried, well expect some flack.
There are tons of variables making juice. The source of the vg,pg,nicotine and flavors chosen/used,are huge in how they impact taste. The ratios of each used, in addition to how they are mixed and how they are steeped before they are released to the public are bordering on an art form. Its the difference between fast food and fine dining to many many vapors...especially those that have tweaked their gear to get the best flavors and vapor production to them.
If you don't get it and are happy, that's great! If it keeps you satisfied and off the coffin nails we all salute your victory and encourage you to keep don't what works for you. Just dont start throwing stones at others who believe different and are also happy.
Oh... And clark is a nickname for kent.. Who owns nicoticket. It is a reference to Clark Kent... Superman... That was given to him by his loyal and large customer base for his juice and customer service.
Via a possessed phone thats autocorrect is just silly
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Yes.. there are a couple of vendors that will extract a few of their flavorings.. But very few and far between. And they aint cheap
Here's my perspective on it. It's like the difference between going to mcdonalds or burger king and going to Bobby Flay Steak, or Emeril's Delmonico. Both served you beef, are they then the same, is the price difference worth it. The difference is in the artistry and genius of the person creating whatever it is you are consuming whether it be e juice, meat, beer, wine, spirits, or anything else.
Here's my perspective on it. It's like the difference between going to mcdonalds or burger king and going to Bobby Flay Steak, or Emeril's Delmonico. Both served you beef, are they then the same, is the price difference worth it. The difference is in the artistry and genius of the person creating whatever it is you are consuming whether it be e juice, meat, beer, wine, spirits, or anything else.
i'd tend to agree except for in the case of eliquid, they are all using the same exact ingredients, the only change is flavoring...thats it, the playing field is pretty level, it's basically coke and pepsi, yes you might prefer one over the other, but are you willing to pay 3x more for one than the other? because the difference is so tiny
mcdonalds vs bobby flay....mcdonalds is using 100 ingreidents for their meat and bobby flay is probably using grass fed beef, so you can't compare the two
now if a juice vendor starts steeping their juice in oak barrell's for extra flavor....then maybe i'll start to pay attention haha, i wonder if someone can store flavors for years at a time before mixing it to get a better product like wine....hmm
i guess i just don't put these juice vendors on a pedestals and don't think of it as art, similar how to i dont' think putting some metal pieces together to hold a battery as art and continue to buy clones
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