That is exactly what I was thinking too but her dermatologist should have been able to easily diagnose that.
I went through menopause at 42 and welcomed it with open arms
Good luck, Keekers and please keep us posted.
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That is exactly what I was thinking too but her dermatologist should have been able to easily diagnose that.
I went through menopause at 42 and welcomed it with open arms
Good luck, Keekers and please keep us posted.
You just started DIYing right??? You could have a reaction to some of the flavors when they are fresh and not steeped. I have a problem with Capella's, I cannot vape fresh mixed Capella's. My lips got a bad rash from it and I started itching. I do not have a problem with Flavor's West or TPA, but something in Capella's sets me off. Just a thought?? bnrk
Thanks salemgold!
Yup, I just started DIYing but I started getting the rash long before. It isn't affecting my health which is good. It's just frustrating that doctors can't figure out what's causing it. I'm glad you were able to find out what was causing your rash and itching!
WinNuke95, you seem to have a blanket animosity towards any and all who post questions here in the health forum. And you do this after being here for less than two months, and barely enough posts to get out of the New Member's Forum. Like you just couldn't wait to have at it with those stupid vapers that think that vaping might affect them. This insulting and cryptic comment was the last straw for me.
Fact 1: most people that post here actually have thought deeply about their situation, but like many others, do not know a lot about vaping chemistry and physiology.
Fact 2: a good portion of symptoms posted here actually ARE related to vaping, and it is good that we have extremely experienced and knowledgeable vapers, suppliers, and scientists here to evaluate a situation. I would estimate that 70% of symptoms here are related to PG issues or problems from a particular flavor, if not nicotine itself. If a situation is emergent and/or it is something that seems unlikely to be related to vaping, we suggest they see a doctor.
I suggest you run along now and play in a different sandbox until you learn more and have the maturity to communicate in a more hospitable way. We adults here on the health forum are busy. Take your time. And of course you will, since you have not posted at all on ECF since this last pointless jab on 6/22. Way to make friends and help others!
Mods: I smell something. Could be troll. Could be diapers needing changed.
@Keekers: I'm very glad your physician is involved with this. I am strongly suspecting either a problem with PG, and rashes like this are common PG aversion symptoms, or else it is an issue with a particular flavor compound. What EXACTLY are you vaping? PG:VG, flavors, etc.
Here is what I suggest to rule these out. Vape only unflavored VG-juice. If you don't DIY, you can either buy some unflavored VG-nic in the level you want, or else make a VG juice with VG-nic, VG and 20% distilled water. I would avoid any alcohol to thin it.
By the way, do you drink alcohol, and if so do you get this rash? Certain asian genes affect the liver and can do this. And some juices have alcohol in them for thinning, TH, flavor enhancement. Its not much, but inhalation is much much more efficient absorption than drinking.
If the unflavored VG juice is fine for you, no rashes, then try some flavored VG juices, or make them yourself. Unfortunately there is generally PG in flavorings, but Vaperite sells no-PG juices.
Please please keep us informed! Good luck!!
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Nicely put Kurt! I couldn't have said it better!!!!
Lately I've only been vaping Nic, VG, and PG from High Desert Ecigs. I think it's made by Wizard Labs but I'm not sure. I started DIY so I don't buy juices from vendors any longer. I try to stay in the 12mg nic level with 50%VG/50%PG.
95% of the time I use Capella's flavoring. I also have some flavors from The Perfume Apprentice and FlavorArt. I don't mix with them very often.
I rarely use Sweeteners. Some times I will add Ethyl Maltol.
I do drink alcohol and the rash has appeared sometimes while drinking. I don't have any Asian genes. I also don't add any alcohol to my juices.
The part that confuses my allergist is how random the rash seems to be. It shows up whenever it wants. The doc doesn't think it's a case of normal hives because the rash isn't itchy. Since the doctor put me on a plethora of antihistamines the rash hasn't showed up in about a week. The strange part is that I was still getting the rash even when I first started taking the antihistamines. I'm starting to wonder if it was from a medication I am no longer taking.
I'll work with 100%VG (at least I'll try) I might have to put some nic in there but the nic has a PG base. Hmm. I actually don't think I can go too long without nicotine. Maybe I should order some nic with a VG base?
Thank you for your advice (not only on this thread but all the others you have participated in). You have been very helpful!
WinNuke95, you seem to have a blanket animosity towards any and all who post questions here in the health forum. And you do this after being here for less than two months, and barely enough posts to get out of the New Member's Forum. Like you just couldn't wait to have at it with those stupid vapers that think that vaping might affect them. This insulting and cryptic comment was the last straw for me.
Fact 1: most people that post here actually have thought deeply about their situation, but like many others, do not know a lot about vaping chemistry and physiology.
Fact 2: a good portion of symptoms posted here actually ARE related to vaping, and it is good that we have extremely experienced and knowledgeable vapers, suppliers, and scientists here to evaluate a situation. I would estimate that 70% of symptoms here are related to PG issues or problems from a particular flavor, if not nicotine itself. If a situation is emergent and/or it is something that seems unlikely to be related to vaping, we suggest they see a doctor.
I suggest you run along now and play in a different sandbox until you learn more and have the maturity to communicate in a more hospitable way. We adults here on the health forum are busy. Take your time. And of course you will, since you have not posted at all on ECF since this last pointless jab on 6/22. Way to make friends and help others!
Mods: I smell something. Could be troll. Could be diapers needing changed.
@Keekers: I'm very glad your physician is involved with this. I am strongly suspecting either a problem with PG, and rashes like this are common PG aversion symptoms, or else it is an issue with a particular flavor compound. What EXACTLY are you vaping? PG:VG, flavors, etc.
Here is what I suggest to rule these out. Vape only unflavored VG-juice. If you don't DIY, you can either buy some unflavored VG-nic in the level you want, or else make a VG juice with VG-nic, VG and 20% distilled water. I would avoid any alcohol to thin it.
By the way, do you drink alcohol, and if so do you get this rash? Certain asian genes affect the liver and can do this. And some juices have alcohol in them for thinning, TH, flavor enhancement. Its not much, but inhalation is much much more efficient absorption than drinking.
If the unflavored VG juice is fine for you, no rashes, then try some flavored VG juices, or make them yourself. Unfortunately there is generally PG in flavorings, but Vaperite sells no-PG juices.
Please please keep us informed! Good luck!!
Lately I've only been vaping Nic, VG, and PG from High Desert Ecigs. I think it's made by Wizard Labs but I'm not sure. I started DIY so I don't buy juices from vendors any longer. I try to stay in the 12mg nic level with 50%VG/50%PG.
95% of the time I use Capella's flavoring. I also have some flavors from The Perfume Apprentice and FlavorArt. I don't mix with them very often.
I rarely use Sweeteners. Some times I will add Ethyl Maltol.
I do drink alcohol and the rash has appeared sometimes while drinking. I don't have any Asian genes. I also don't add any alcohol to my juices.
The part that confuses my allergist is how random the rash seems to be. It shows up whenever it wants. The doc doesn't think it's a case of normal hives because the rash isn't itchy. Since the doctor put me on a plethora of antihistamines the rash hasn't showed up in about a week. The strange part is that I was still getting the rash even when I first started taking the antihistamines. I'm starting to wonder if it was from a medication I am no longer taking.
I'll work with 100%VG (at least I'll try) I might have to put some nic in there but the nic has a PG base. Hmm. I actually don't think I can go too long without nicotine. Maybe I should order some nic with a VG base?
Thank you for your advice (not only on this thread but all the others you have participated in). You have been very helpful!
Keekers, do you find the need to drink a lot of water (or any liquid) when vaping, which does not really help with dry mouth and lips? If so this is a classic PG reaction.
Yes, you will need to use VG-nic for the PG experiment. I doubt it is nicotine itself, so please don't go into withdrawals for this experiment. Of course the fact that you are on multiple antihistamines can complicate this as they will (hopefully) help eliminate the rashes.
The asian alcohol allergy is from a lower amount of liver alcohol dehydrogenase (LAD) and enzymes that break down certain proteins found in mainly beer. Thus the beer affects them much stronger (less LAD) and foreign proteins now acting as antigens systemically. I say asian because that's what I am aware of, but I would imagine others may also have this general makeup.
There could also be, for you, a low level aversion to certain laundry detergents. Or maybe a soap fragrance. I myself have to avoid almost all soaps with fragrances, and even Jason brand, which is supposedly hypoallergenic, can cause me to break out or get a skin redness, and it is not generally right after a shower, but more delayed. I use Aveno unscented now with good results.
One other thing, and hopefully your doc told you this: any alcohol consumption while you are on this much antihistamine, and especially since it is more than one, will probably strongly interact with the alcohol. The synergistic reactions for me are increased inebriation and general stupidity and sleepiness.
But I think completely removing PG is something you should try. I would hate to have to take all those antihistamines...they would probably make me pretty slow-headed.
Yes, you will need to use VG-nic for the PG experiment. I doubt it is nicotine itself, so please don't go into withdrawals for this experiment. Of course the fact that you are on multiple antihistamines can complicate this as they will (hopefully) help eliminate the rashes.
The asian alcohol allergy is from a lower amount of liver alcohol dehydrogenase (LAD) and enzymes that break down certain proteins found in mainly beer. Thus the beer affects them much stronger (less LAD) and foreign proteins now acting as antigens systemically. I say asian because that's what I am aware of, but I would imagine others may also have this general makeup.
There could also be, for you, a low level aversion to certain laundry detergents. Or maybe a soap fragrance. I myself have to avoid almost all soaps with fragrances, and even Jason brand, which is supposedly hypoallergenic, can cause me to break out or get a skin redness, and it is not generally right after a shower, but more delayed. I use Aveno unscented now with good results.
One other thing, and hopefully your doc told you this: any alcohol consumption while you are on this much antihistamine, and especially since it is more than one, will probably strongly interact with the alcohol. The synergistic reactions for me are increased inebriation and general stupidity and sleepiness.
But I think completely removing PG is something you should try. I would hate to have to take all those antihistamines...they would probably make me pretty slow-headed.
This may be of intrest, flow chart of symtoms and causes for rashes.
Skin Rashes and Other Changes | Search by Symptom -- FamilyDoctor.org
I wouldn't completely rule out the Rosacea, it comes in many different types, forms and appearances making it easily dismissed as somthing else.
Most cases of Rosacea go away with a simple low dose antibiotic as the cause is basically an overabundance of bacteria in the intestines that feed on glucose (sugar).
Skin Rashes and Other Changes | Search by Symptom -- FamilyDoctor.org
I wouldn't completely rule out the Rosacea, it comes in many different types, forms and appearances making it easily dismissed as somthing else.
Most cases of Rosacea go away with a simple low dose antibiotic as the cause is basically an overabundance of bacteria in the intestines that feed on glucose (sugar).
Yeah I would always get dry mouth when I vaped 80PG/20PG.
You're full of information! I love reading your responses.
I've never had a problem with anything in laundry detergents/soaps, etc. Could it be all of a sudden giving me problems even if I've used the same thing for years?
HA nope! The doc didn't tell me anything about alcohol consumption.
I guess I must have a very high tolerance or just be a wino because it hasn't affected me at all.Have you been retested for allergies? If not, it may be time for it. I'm being retested next week, because something is going on, and the doc thinks it's a new allergy. Last time I was tested was 13 years ago.
As was mentioned, some meds can cause a rash. Z-Pack gives me a red rash that doesn't itch, but looks funny.
As was mentioned, some meds can cause a rash. Z-Pack gives me a red rash that doesn't itch, but looks funny.
I had 3 different thoughts. First lupus and second lyme disease. Both are things you could mention to your doctor to see if they recommend further testing. They can both go on for quite some time before being diagnosed.
Then i thought of the sun. From time to time i get a reaction to the sun that comes and goes. Mostly on my face, neck and shoulders. Occasionally my forearms too but it seems to be the areas that are more sensitive and more exposed. Not always while i'm still in the sun. Was worse when i was in my 20's and has improved in my 30's.
Best of luck to you in finding out what is causing your issue and getting it taken care of asap.
Then i thought of the sun. From time to time i get a reaction to the sun that comes and goes. Mostly on my face, neck and shoulders. Occasionally my forearms too but it seems to be the areas that are more sensitive and more exposed. Not always while i'm still in the sun. Was worse when i was in my 20's and has improved in my 30's.
Best of luck to you in finding out what is causing your issue and getting it taken care of asap.
I had no idea that I had Rosacea, just though it was a bit of acne or allergy rash and the doctors all did too, it wasn't untill my optometrist noticed it on the white of my one eye, he asked if any of my family has Rosacea, I said "whats Rosacea?" he explained it and wrote me a precription for doxycycline 100mg x1 a day.
The blotches and flushing are now gone.
I really didn't show much in the way of symtoms untill after I started vaping and it turns out that Sugar Alcohols are proven to be a trigger for Rosacea blotches, Propylene Glycol is classified as a sugar alcohol.
The blotches and flushing are now gone.
I really didn't show much in the way of symtoms untill after I started vaping and it turns out that Sugar Alcohols are proven to be a trigger for Rosacea blotches, Propylene Glycol is classified as a sugar alcohol.
Excellent thought: the sun! Keekers, are you taking St. John's Wart, or (less likely) an antiseizure med? Sun rashes are possible from both. This has happened in the sun to me from tegretol and also St John's wart: mottled red rash, especially on the chest, without itching.
I agree, Salem, a doc should have been able to diagnose rosacea easily...hopefully. I am still leaning towards PG, especially if there is dry mouth too.
Another thought: any new carpets in your place of late? Some get rashes from the chemicals in new carpets. New paint on the walls can do this too to sensitive people.
I can't help with this, but I can offer sympathy...and let's all hope it's nothing serious, you can develope a reaction or become intolerant to anything on any given day. Hopefully you won't have to give up something you like.
Of all things I developed an intolerance to bananas, it's moving right along into an alergy now as I keep hoping it will go away and try to eat one. Even just a quarter of a banana in my cereal and it sets me off. It used to be just feeling sick and crampy, now I get flushed on my neck and face.
Wishing you well...keep us posted.
Of all things I developed an intolerance to bananas, it's moving right along into an alergy now as I keep hoping it will go away and try to eat one. Even just a quarter of a banana in my cereal and it sets me off. It used to be just feeling sick and crampy, now I get flushed on my neck and face.
Wishing you well...keep us posted.
The science of sweetners is suprisingly complex and many difference variants and chemicals are available to replicate the taste of sweetnes.
There are 6 different types of sweetners and 3 of the type are commonly used in e-juice.
List is as follows-
1. Sugars
2. Sugar Alcohols
3. Natural Caloric Sweeteners
4. Natural Zero Calorie Sweeteners
5. Modified Sugars
6. Artificial Sweeteners
Types of Sweetener
That is just the list for the categories, the list of sweeteners under each category is fairly large
Comprehensive All Sweetener List
I haven't been retested but I'm thinking the rheumotolgist (sp?) will test me when it's finally time for my appointment.
Thanks for the info! I will write this down so I can remember to talk to the doc about it.
I'm taking an anti seizure med! I've been on it for years but the rash has been going on for a while too. Oh my gosh I wonder if that's what it is?!?!
The rash is still random but not as bad as it was about a month ago. I get it probably once every couple of weeks. I wonder if it's the Lamictal I take for my epilepsy.
Thank you everyone for your kind words and assistance! I'm getting impatient to see the rheumotoligst so I'm trying not to think about my rash being dangerous because I can scare myself pretty bad. I guess it could be something more serious that I'm aware of......who knows.
I looked up the side effects of Lamictal and rashes were one of them. Take that up with your doctor.
On a side note, I was retested for allergies a couple of weeks ago. As was suspected, I had picked up some new ones. Had to start over with the shots.
On a side note, I was retested for allergies a couple of weeks ago. As was suspected, I had picked up some new ones. Had to start over with the shots.
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