Bluetooth Atomiser

[sebastianbach]

Hello dear forum members,

In the topic i have opened before, i said that i will try to be creative and i am keeping my word now. For me, the best advantage of writing in the forum is that you don' t have time constraint. You may write anytime you wish and meanwhile you can think about another branches of the topic either.

- As i said before my main language is not english, so my capabilities of philosophical thinking about the vape would be limited. -

Here i present you now; The Bluetooth Atomiser. The systematic of that consept does look like the bluetooth chargers.

The reason i would like to use my atomizer in this way is the problem of size ( dimension ) if i have to sum up the topic. For example vaping by atomizer only would be a big gain while you are driving car and you will be able to vape like you are smoking a cigarette.

For me the best usage of this concept will be by having it with my previous topic named Drip Chip. But i am not pushing you to write about the combination of that projects both. I am really wondering about your thoughts on the topic.

Ps: I would be flattered if you tell this concept to a famous manufacturer or any producer.

Thank you for your interest.

 

[Izan]

Seems like a logical progression.
They just need to shrink the additional electronics needed to use the feature.
I would guess a few years or so.
I can see Iqos doing this for its charging case.

Cheers
I

 

[untar]

Just to be absolutely sure of what you're saying (because like last time I got no freaking clue):
Do you want the atomizer to receive wireless energy via blootooth?
Or are you thinking of a charging pad to rest your vape on to top it off? (which wouldn't change it's size in the least though)

 

[vapdivrr]

Just to be absolutely sure of what you're saying (because like last time I got no freaking clue):
Do you want the atomizer to receive wireless energy via blootooth?
Or are you thinking of a charging pad to rest your vape on to top it off? (which wouldn't change it's size in the least though)

They already have wireless charging, so perhaps it's not that?

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[bombastinator]

Mods only deliver power when pushing the button making the atty huge and expensive because it would need its own power source, pcb, etc..

 

[vapdivrr]

Yep , not 100 percent exactly what you mean , but kind of sounds cool

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[vapdivrr]

Oh is that what he is saying, just a tank with no battery?

Mods only deliver power when pushing the button making the atty huge and expensive because it would need its own power source, pcb, etc..

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[bombastinator]

Just to be absolutely sure of what you're saying (because like last time I got no freaking clue):
Do you want the atomizer to receive wireless energy via blootooth?
Or are you thinking of a charging pad to rest your vape on to top it off? (which wouldn't change it's size in the least though)

If he’s thinking of a charging pad this yeh is already standardized. The brand name is Qi. I would actually really like to have a Qi charging mod. I’ve got Qi stuff already for my phone. It would be handy

 

[bombastinator]

Oh is that what he is saying, just a tank with no battery?

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Your guess is a s good as mine

 

[vapdivrr]

[emoji28]

Your guess is a s good as mine

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[vapdivrr]

I have seen it with some of vapor sharks mods , maybe that is this Qi ?

If he’s thinking of a charging pad this yeh is already standardized. The brand name is Qi. I would actually really like to have a Qi charging mod. I’ve got Qi stuff already for my phone. It would be handy

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[bombastinator]

I have seen it with some of vapor sharks mods , maybe that is this Qi ?

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Probably. I’ll need to look into that. Thanks

 

[untar]

Well if it's wireless power transmission, not charging, then bluetooth is absolutely useless. Any kind of non directional wireless power transmission is.

For the kind of power we use there's only targeted lasers (plus not sure how well that would work in combination with a phat vape cloud ) or magnetic resonance (eg WiTricity - Wikipedia) if you don't want your device to be basically touching the power source.
Both are rather expensive and involve patent fees on top.

To vape in a car without batteries right now the simplest and most inexpensive method is to use a USB low power pass through device (with an adapter to your car cigarette lighter), either with a carto mod attached

or with a 510 connector

Each about $10-$15.
You're not going to be competing with that with a wireless power transmission device I can tell you that...
The basic idea is old. There's a reason the best we can commercially do with any kind of real world efficiency in 2018 is some charging mat that really isn't that spectacular.

Many products sound great on paper and even get hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of funding (even from govts ) but ultimately end up in failure/bankruptcy.
Here's a playlist on an engineering channel debunking all kinds of projects with the aid of back-of-the-envelope physics the project founders apparently didn't do (or don't want to disclose...)

featuring
-a self filling water bottle that doesn't work

-solar roadways that are a joke

etc. etc.
Oh, and coincidentally there's also one about wireless power with an IR laser

Yup, it's a fng useless piece of garbage (to be polite...).

If you're ok with something slightly larger than a coil and wick then you can carry some top notch wireless technology not much bigger than a cigarette

*drumroll*

- a lithium ion battery powered vape pen

 

[sebastianbach]

Well if it's wireless power transmission, not charging, then bluetooth is absolutely useless. Any kind of non directional wireless power transmission is.

For the kind of power we use there's only targeted lasers (plus not sure how well that would work in combination with a phat vape cloud ) or magnetic resonance (eg WiTricity - Wikipedia) if you don't want your device to be basically touching the power source.
Both are rather expensive and involve patent fees on top.

To vape in a car without batteries right now the simplest and most inexpensive method is to use a USB low power pass through device (with an adapter to your car cigarette lighter), either with a carto mod attached

or with a 510 connector

Each about $10-$15.
You're not going to be competing with that with a wireless power transmission device I can tell you that...
The basic idea is old. There's a reason the best we can commercially do with any kind of real world efficiency in 2018 is some charging mat that really isn't that spectacular.

Many products sound great on paper and even get hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of funding (even from govts ) but ultimately end up in failure/bankruptcy.
Here's a playlist on an engineering channel debunking all kinds of projects with the aid of back-of-the-envelope physics the project founders apparently didn't do (or don't want to disclose...)

featuring
-a self filling water bottle that doesn't work

-solar roadways that are a joke

etc. etc.
Oh, and coincidentally there's also one about wireless power with an IR laser

Yup, it's a fng useless piece of garbage (to be polite...).

If you're ok with something slightly larger than a coil and wick then you can carry some top notch wireless technology not much bigger than a cigarette

*drumroll*

- a lithium ion battery powered vape pen

Thank you for useful informations which i have learned now from you. Yes i mean wireless power transmission, not charging. But i don' t agree you that it would be useless. Just the technology of today may not be sufficient enough.

Thank you Izan, i too hope it will be efficient in the future.

 

[bombastinator]

Thank you for useful informations which i have learned now from you. Yes i mean wireless power transmission, not charging. But i don' t agree you that it would be useless. Just the technology of today may not be sufficient enough.

Thank you Izan, i too hope it will be efficient in the future.

Physics may disagree. Tesla coils transmit wireless power but there are problems with them. The Qi for example is a Tesla style wireless charger but has a range of about an 8th of an inch. Wireless power is extremely inefficient. Like 30% of power is just lost, and range requires extremely large equipment

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Tech is there, it’s not very efficient and you are challenged with many obstacles. I cannot see how this could work for vaping beyond scribbling an idea on a napkin. 10 years from now…obviously the tech will mature, but will it be at a point where it could be used for vaping? I have my doubts.




Edit....I just noticed someone posted a vid on the same product

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Although I do not have fact to back this up, I am guessing the only reason the FDA and other agencies approved the above wireless power delivery is due to it’s low output. You start increasing the power to a point where it is able to heat a coil, even with a low powered Juul device, I’d bet it would be disapproved pretty damn quick. This is just a hunch.

 

[untar]

But i don' t agree you that it would be useless. Just the technology of today may not be sufficient enough.

Firstly, I say it is useless right now (and especially via bluetooth in general).

Then, as the resident Punk says, we do have the technology (see witricity), but it doesn't come cheap. And no matter how much cheaper it gets, a cable will always be cheaper and have less power loss. A battery will always be cheaper and doesn't involve any other external device to work (in addition batteries will also get better and become cheaper over time).

Wireless power transmission will likely stay a specialist application for a very very long time and used only where it's absolutely needed (like eg high reliability robots in inaccessible places). For private persons it's absolute luxury, you don't need a wireless toaster or fridge and batteries provide plenty of energy for things that need to be off the grid (like a flashlight or a mobile phone). To pay extra for technology that saves you from plugging in a power cord or a couple dozen grams from your flashlight and has additional power cost on top (because of inevitable losses) simply isn't worth it. The wireless IR laser power source mentioned earlier in the video wouldn't even be legal as a consumer product where I live because it's far too inefficient.
On a large scale that would mean a gigantic waste of power and money (eg if a whole country adopted the technology).

There's fundamental problems with wireless energy transfer compared to cables and batteries that won't go away no matter how much technology advances. We would need a new set of physics far beyond what we know now and new technology based on that to make it worth it for everyday people.

Yes it's all sciency and science fictiony but it's unviable in comparison to what we already have and I doubt this will change for normal consumers in our lifetime. If ever. Military, drones and robots - that's another story.

Edit....I just noticed someone posted a vid on the same product

Yep, it's the "debunk" video to the product on eevblog's channel (good idea to check him from time to time)

 

[bombastinator]

Tech is there, it’s not very efficient and you are challenged with many obstacles. I cannot see how this could work for vaping beyond scribbling an idea on a napkin. 10 years from now…obviously the tech will mature, but will it be at a point where it could be used for vaping? I have my doubts.




Edit....I just noticed someone posted a vid on the same product

This isn’t radio. It’s it IR laser solar panels. I can see this one having issues. Totally different ones, but issues none the less.

 

[untar]

You start increasing the power to a point where it is able to heat a coil, even with a low powered Juul device, I’d bet it would be disapproved pretty damn quick. This is just a hunch.

Yep, with the 27% efficiency at the target device you'd need at least a 55W IR laser to deliver power for a 15W tootle device. For pain therapy there's a max somewhere between 15W and 20W for IR laser in order not to damage your skin... this method isn't for vaping. And that's before any clouds come into play ^^

The magnetic resonance method seems more promising, it's not radio in the classical sense and doesn't waste energy on that scale.
However, Witricity stepped away from developing for the consumer market and purely concentrates on electric car charging (imagine a car park that just charges your car vs a car park with a noodle soup of wires dangling all over the place. Hotels, car sharing points, parking decks, delivery services, etc.etc. you name it. And sure you've seen the vids with people driving away from a gas station with the filler piece still in the tank... none of that any more ).