BOTTOM FEEDERS= a place for everything modified and/or custom made
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Evening friends from DC,
My 2 cents on the regulated vs mech mods argument is quite simple. Regulated mods are probably great for newcomers who could do with a level of protection that they offer but personally I see no need for them. Again I stress personally I like both the simplicity as well the versatility of a well made mech mod. However nowadays it's not about protection that regulated mods offer, it's about brute power and as Quigs said disaster is lurking just round the corner. Sure you can argue that many vapers abuse mech mods (or should I say batteries in mech mods) to the point of playing Russian roulette with every inhale but I think China has done the biggest damage by flooding the market with cheap, badly made massive wattage time bombs.
Aal said he believes 2015 will be the year of temp control, I beg to differ as I believe it's nothing more than a gimmick which will see little success on the market. Brandon at Evolv was actually very clever to make the dna-40 capable of operating in non-temp control mode as well because most users will not use temp control in the long term (kanthal is here to stay). Time will tell but I firmly believe that temp control will probably be forgotten next year. I do however 100% agree with Aal that the future is in a wickless atty which will make a dry hit a thing of the past.
Interesting times ahead fasten your seatbelts folks the ride may get bumpy
My 2 cents on the regulated vs mech mods argument is quite simple. Regulated mods are probably great for newcomers who could do with a level of protection that they offer but personally I see no need for them. Again I stress personally I like both the simplicity as well the versatility of a well made mech mod. However nowadays it's not about protection that regulated mods offer, it's about brute power and as Quigs said disaster is lurking just round the corner. Sure you can argue that many vapers abuse mech mods (or should I say batteries in mech mods) to the point of playing Russian roulette with every inhale but I think China has done the biggest damage by flooding the market with cheap, badly made massive wattage time bombs.
Aal said he believes 2015 will be the year of temp control, I beg to differ as I believe it's nothing more than a gimmick which will see little success on the market. Brandon at Evolv was actually very clever to make the dna-40 capable of operating in non-temp control mode as well because most users will not use temp control in the long term (kanthal is here to stay). Time will tell but I firmly believe that temp control will probably be forgotten next year. I do however 100% agree with Aal that the future is in a wickless atty which will make a dry hit a thing of the past.
Interesting times ahead fasten your seatbelts folks the ride may get bumpy
I don't know if it's a cost thing, well maybe...look, I know I don't exude tremendous love for regs, but really, it's not so much the reg. I take issue with, it's the environment I build for them that should really take the blame.
If I was a dripper guy I would be all about the parallel (or series) 18650 reg'd box mod, no doubt...I'd build it so sealed it'd float...thing is, I've made a few bf mods over the years, I'd like to think I'm reasonably good at it, even so...the fact remains, they leak, be it a bad bottle/cap, over squonk seepage, an over-worked 510 insulator, o-ring, bad RDA insulator, yada, yada...I think I have 2-3 that don't leak (often)...definitely exceptions to the rule...capillary action has a way of getting juice to the most amazing places???
It's just imo...not the best environment to be installing very sophisticated reg's with AMOLED screens that push 10A+...the first time I saw Turbo's under water DNA I had to laugh...not laughing at Turbo (cause that was actually pretty cool) but what you almost have to do to get any kind of realistic lifespan out of a reg installed in a bf mod...my last DNA mod still standing is in my Woodvil, and that is because I literally sealed it in and potted the screen, then sealed the entire batt/bottle compartment with gap fill CA...there is no way I'm swapping out that reg if/when it blows, so now I've built something that I can't even repair...save for just by-passing it and turning it into a mech. (which is what I should've built to begin with, damn that Turbo guy
)Ian makes some great points, maybe there aren't many out there to tweak peeps interest but I think I understand why...if I were a pro builder, I too would stay away from making reg'd bf's...if only from a warranty/maint. perspective...far too many things that can happen outside of my control.
and that's all I have to say about that.
btw, CaptSteve is right...100W regs. ...like serious???
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Agree with most of this..a little food for thought though. When evolve released the temp control they mentioned multiple times In pbusardo interview that they were preparing for the deeming regs. I think they are trying to sell It to the fda as a safety feature that all mods should have. Our Idiot politicians may just decide we aren't smart enough to use a mod that doesn't have this "safety" feature... Oh well I sure hope im just being paranoid.
Guess I better keep practicing building my own mechs just in case. [emoji16]
Roscoe the FDA doesn't have the right to regulate mods, they can regulate nic perhaps but not electronic mods as the legislation stands. I believe it's a jurisdiction issue. I could be wrong but that's how I understand their jurisdiction
It gives me a good excuse to hoard a bunch of stuff before the vapocalypse. At least that's what I can tell the wife[emoji12]
My moto has always been "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"
My moto has always been "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"
If I had the experience / equipment, I would love to mod my mech-converted VV Grand to throw the new YiHi SXmini board in..
Authentic YiHi SXmini 60W/120W Chip!
As it stands though, I'm now waiting for the relatively easy conversion of the FT mod I posted about here the other day, and the gdeal FD 510 / hollow screw setup that I scored a few sets of in the recent CoOp... Those are about 6 weeks away. I'll get the FT mod before they arrive.. Good things to those who wait, and all that...
How about the SX350 in a VV Grand?
Took some thinking outside (or rather rearranging inside) the box.
You can get a lot of stuff into one of those VV Grands...never had one, and I'm having a tough time getting the scale, how much taller is it over the Grand?
I find the temp control quite favorable, the implementation not so much. My gut tells me that Evolv rushed it encase the grandfather date gets moved to the date of final reg publishing. Having it on the market already (if the date is moved) allows the SE method to keep it on the market instead of the ghastly expensive new product method. As the reg is presented mods would fall under the accessories provision of the tobacco control act just as rolling papers etc. do. The final outcome will undoubtedly be from the courts.
VVG is .5" taller than a Grand. All other dimensions are the same.
I don't think that feeders should be inherently wet inside. I'm running gdeal's 510 setup with the insulators threaded to fit the pins and zero orings and I get no leakage whatsoever. That being said if I were to run a chip I'd have it mls isolated as possible and have it setup basically as a sealed unit.
yeah, 1/2". I did my first reo vv conversion with a regular grand and I added more than 1/2" to the base so it winded up a little taller than a vv grand. I don't think I showed that one in this thread? here's a few pic's, this was the first good chipped bottom feeder I built and I used it all day every day I loved this thing right up until the day I got my woodvils, then I never used it again since
the day it met my two new woodvil's
and by the end of that night
^^^ that's the one that now has the brass trim cap and a dna40 in it.
on the subject of dna40, you can't really say you don't like it till you at least use it and try it, I think it's pretty cool. it vapes about as good as kanthal but it basically adds built in wick protection. I'm vaping away and all of a sudden I notice that vape production is way down, it's hardly putting out anything.... I look and notice my tank is pretty low so I give it a longer harder press and bam, vapor production is right back up to thick rich chewy clouds. what's not to love? on a regular kanthal build instead of noticing low vapor production you'd scorch the wick in the same situation not realizing the bottle was low and get a nasty burnt hit. that burnt hit is what temp control is all about protecting from, burnt hits suck, therefore the dna40 is a great thing. def worth trying now that hopefully the newest chips are functioning correctly. yes there is a bit of a learning curve, like everything else in vaping but I really thing temp control is the future. in a year or so I bet many more chips will have temp control, it really is pretty revolutionary
personally I think a regulated bottom feeder is the best vape there is, I think you'd be able to sell as many as you could produce, it's a niche market right now because there is no readily available supply. the few low production international mods there are now have months and even years waiting lists, a good durable waterproof dna40 bottom feeder that's readily available would be awesome and would sell like crazy even at $350-$375 I think, guys are getting much more than this for the very limited mods there are now
the day it met my two new woodvil's
and by the end of that night
^^^ that's the one that now has the brass trim cap and a dna40 in it.
on the subject of dna40, you can't really say you don't like it till you at least use it and try it, I think it's pretty cool. it vapes about as good as kanthal but it basically adds built in wick protection. I'm vaping away and all of a sudden I notice that vape production is way down, it's hardly putting out anything.... I look and notice my tank is pretty low so I give it a longer harder press and bam, vapor production is right back up to thick rich chewy clouds. what's not to love? on a regular kanthal build instead of noticing low vapor production you'd scorch the wick in the same situation not realizing the bottle was low and get a nasty burnt hit. that burnt hit is what temp control is all about protecting from, burnt hits suck, therefore the dna40 is a great thing. def worth trying now that hopefully the newest chips are functioning correctly. yes there is a bit of a learning curve, like everything else in vaping but I really thing temp control is the future. in a year or so I bet many more chips will have temp control, it really is pretty revolutionary
personally I think a regulated bottom feeder is the best vape there is, I think you'd be able to sell as many as you could produce, it's a niche market right now because there is no readily available supply. the few low production international mods there are now have months and even years waiting lists, a good durable waterproof dna40 bottom feeder that's readily available would be awesome and would sell like crazy even at $350-$375 I think, guys are getting much more than this for the very limited mods there are now
Mundy, that's 10 pounds of awesome in a 5 pound sack. Nicely done.
And turbo, What you did with your first Grand,... Amazing!!! That was the initial spark right there, for me at least... Ever since I saw it
over a year ago, I've been jonesin' for a dna powered reo.
Love the woody's too!!! Just awesome
Little closer now...
How about the SX350 in a VV Grand?
Took some thinking outside (or rather rearranging inside) the box.
yeah, 1/2". I did my first reo vv conversion with a regular grand and I added more than 1/2" to the base so it winded up a little taller than a vv grand. I don't think I showed that one in this thread? here's a few pic's, this was the first good chipped bottom feeder I built and I used it all day every day I loved this thing right up until the day I got my woodvils, then I never used it again since
the day it met my two new woodvil's
and by the end of that night
^^^ that's the one that now has the brass trim cap and a dna40 in it.
on the subject of dna40, you can't really say you don't like it till you at least use it and try it, I think it's pretty cool. it vapes about as good as kanthal but it basically adds built in wick protection. I'm vaping away and all of a sudden I notice that vape production is way down, it's hardly putting out anything.... I look and notice my tank is pretty low so I give it a longer harder press and bam, vapor production is right back up to thick rich chewy clouds. what's not to love? on a regular kanthal build instead of noticing low vapor production you'd scorch the wick in the same situation not realizing the bottle was low and get a nasty burnt hit. that burnt hit is what temp control is all about protecting from, burnt hits suck, therefore the dna40 is a great thing. def worth trying now that hopefully the newest chips are functioning correctly. yes there is a bit of a learning curve, like everything else in vaping but I really thing temp control is the future. in a year or so I bet many more chips will have temp control, it really is pretty revolutionary
personally I think a regulated bottom feeder is the best vape there is, I think you'd be able to sell as many as you could produce, it's a niche market right now because there is no readily available supply. the few low production international mods there are now have months and even years waiting lists, a good durable waterproof dna40 bottom feeder that's readily available would be awesome and would sell like crazy even at $350-$375 I think, guys are getting much more than this for the very limited mods there are now
And turbo, What you did with your first Grand,... Amazing!!! That was the initial spark right there, for me at least... Ever since I saw it
over a year ago, I've been jonesin' for a dna powered reo.
Love the woody's too!!! Just awesome
Little closer now...
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I finally got my hands on a VV grand a while ago that I'll build eventually, going to put it down low like the other regular grand I built and have it display through the bottom of the door. my lower housing looks very much like what you did only it's a bit taller because I moved the bottle and battery up, not going to use the large upper delrin cap because I don't have space for it. I'm going to try and see if I can get an upper delrin cap from a regular grand from rob instead. the way you have it CC the 18650 fits even with that larger upper delrin cap?
18650 fits good.
Trying to decide whether to use a spring, for ease of use, or just use a short brass bolt for the neg. Springs a little tight. I'll snap a pic. brb...
Here it is...
Like I said, a spring would be a little tight, but doable.
I like the idea of a spring so I could use different batts. and to keep tension...
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