bottom feeders vs. gennisis atomizers

[Equality 7-2521]

Hey Everyone,
I vape only genisis RBAs, but I,ve always been curious about bottom feeding RBA,s.I would like to hear from all you reo, and chalice owners, who've vaped gennys as well,Why do you prefer bottom feeding RBAs, and do you think you could use a ceramic wick in them.

Also, all styles of vaping have a learning curve....learning how to build a wick, wrap a coil,ect..what are the issues you have to master to use a bottom feeder.My concerns are walking around with this leaky mod dripping juice with a bottom feeder, or does it gargle when you vape it, or is there like a fine line between getting dry hits and flooding the atty.Are bottom feeder the kind of set up you have to baby and fiddle with alot or set up well, and then they're good to go. is controling the juice flow a skill that takes a while to master.
Thanks for the help.

Thanks all.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Hey Everyone,
I vape only genisis RBAs, but I,ve always been curious about bottom feeding RBA,s.I would like to hear from all you reo, and chalice owners, who've vaped gennys as well,Why do you prefer bottom feeding RBAs, and do you think you could use a ceramic wick in them.

Also, all styles of vaping have a learning curve....learning how to build a wick, wrap a coil,ect..what are the issues you have to master to use a bottom feeder.My concerns are walking around with this leaky mod dripping juice with a bottom feeder, or does it gargle when you vape it, or is there like a fine line between getting dry hits and flooding the atty.Are bottom feeder the kind of set up you have to baby and fiddle with alot or set up well, and then they're good to go. is controling the juice flow a skill that takes a while to master.
Thanks for the help.

Thanks all.

I have never used a genny. But I have used nothing but REOs exclusively since October 2012. I ran chalice RBAs (I say "ran" cause they have been shelved or sold since the RM2 came out).

There will probably be very little learning curve to building a fantastic setup in a decent bottom fed RBA. I have seen some pix of gennys and it looks WAY more complicated.

There is no leaking in REOs, unless they possibly remain upside down in your pocket and you didn't vape the atty till it was nearly dry.

There is no gurgling and flooding is really only a problem with some RBAs. The RM2 and chalice are not those RBAs - they don't flood because of the drain / feed hole location. Dry hits happen if you forget to squonk, kinda like burns and messes happened if you forgot to ash your cig. I rarely get dry hits, because I squonk every few hits mostly. Your wicking medium will also alert you when approaching dryness.

With my bottom feeder and RBA, all I get is a fantastic vape. There really is no fiddling or tweaking, only a slight learning curve to squonking. I chose to fiddle with my RBA setups cause I get bored sometimes or just wanna experiment.

It's really as easy as wrap a coil, slide in a wick, fill the bottle, stuck in a battery, squonk, hit hit , squonk, hit, look at the REO/RBA and think "damn this is easy and good" squonk, hit hit...

 

[Ratman]

I have tried a half a dozen different gennys, from top of the line to cheap chinese knockoffs. A perfectly and I mean perfectly! setup genny will give just as good of flavor and vapor as a reo with a good rba and a decently set up coil. I found the genny to be MUCH more fiddly tho and a heck of a lot harder to set up perfectly. With the bottom feeder and RBA, you will need to change your wick occasionally, frequency varies from daily to bimonthly depending on your wick material and juice that you use. It can be as easy as a 60 second cotton ball wick swap or a complete recoil and wick in about 2-5 minutes. That's it. Refill juice and swap batteries as needed.

The bottom feeder with a decent RBA on it and half ... coil/wick is super easy to set up and use. Depending on model, holds a lot more juice and the only leaking will be from user error ie. over squonking. The only thing the bottom feeder gives up to the genny IMO is the need to squonk every 2-10 draws (RBA design and wick material makes a big difference in how often you need to squonk) whereas the genny is autofeed from the tank.

Some RBA's are gurgly, those being the bottom air fed variety. Side air are not at all though. Ceramic stick wicks work in a BF RBA but is not the game changer that it was for gennys. Cotton, silica, bamboo thread, XC-116, Ekowool, and SS mesh are the most commonly used here, in that order from what I can tell.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Hey Ratman, and Drifter thanks for all the help. I guess the reason I was looking at bottom feeders is that they are the closest to dripping.If I take the top cap off my genny and drop a few drops of liquid on my wick and then vape it I get a more lets say moist hit, and flavorful hit, I guess that is what I'm anticipating from a bottom feeder I could be wrong. The other thing is that it seems that geenys no matter what the wick is are always fighting against gravity, and that affects juice delivery.I really love my geenys and a ceramic wick in a genny is near impossible to beat, but I see alot of logic in the design of bottom feeders.

I have tried a half a dozen different gennys, from top of the line to cheap chinese knockoffs. A perfectly and I mean perfectly! setup genny will give just as good of flavor and vapor as a reo with a good rba and a decently set up coil. I found the genny to be MUCH more fiddly tho and a heck of a lot harder to set up perfectly. With the bottom feeder and RBA, you will need to change your wick occasionally, frequency varies from daily to bimonthly depending on your wick material and juice that you use. It can be as easy as a 60 second cotton ball wick swap or a complete recoil and wick in about 2-5 minutes. That's it. Refill juice and swap batteries as needed.

The bottom feeder with a decent RBA on it and half ... coil/wick is super easy to set up and use. Depending on model, holds a lot more juice and the only leaking will be from user error ie. over squonking. The only thing the bottom feeder gives up to the genny IMO is the need to squonk every 2-10 draws (RBA design and wick material makes a big difference in how often you need to squonk) whereas the genny is autofeed from the tank.

Some RBA's are gurgly, those being the bottom air fed variety. Side air are not at all though. Ceramic stick wicks work in a BF RBA but is not the game changer that it was for gennys. Cotton, silica, bamboo thread, XC-116, Ekowool, and SS mesh are the most commonly used here, in that order from what I can tell.

 

[Ratman]

I guess the reason I was looking at bottom feeders is that they are the closest to dripping.

That is exactly why I tried one as well. I have not been disappointed!! It works so well that I am up to 11 of them!

 

[Freckle]

Dripping is awesome, I only drip or use bottom feeders. I personally do not like gennies just for the reason you stated, not juicy enough. I like a nice moist vape. I tend to flood everything, when I drip, I pour. Some ask how many drops will such and such dripper hold, I got no clue cause I seriously pour.

Reos are awesome for me, I love them. So if you like that moist vape, I suspect you will be happy. As far as a learning curve, it isn't a major challenge. If you could master the art of building a gennie, then you can do a bf very very easy.

Ceramic, I have never tried, so I can't comment on that. I use silica and mesh on all my rbas. Mesh just where the coils are.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

So, Ratman do you think from your use of both that BF give better flavor than gennys?Also you guys.....I know REOs are the Pro varis or Golden Greeks of BF, the creme de la creme, but 150.00. Before I jump in I wanna play around with a set up.I don't mind buying a RM2, but is there a more afordable BF mod.

 

[Ratman]

The other less expensive bottom feeder mods out there are either just barely less expensive, like $120-130, or else they are made of plastic ie. disposable. Rob does occasionally have blem REOs for sale in the $115 range. You might send him a PM and see if he has any available that he may not have had time to list on the site. His forum name is redeyedancer.

The RM2 atty is an excellent choice as well. The ceramic floor makes it really easy to play around with SS mesh setups that you would be familiar with. All the taste, none of the shorting! LoL That great fresh dripped flavor you like on genny with the press of a bottle.

 

[Freckle]

I purchased a used reo last year cause I didn't want to spend 150 on a new one, what can I say I am cheap. Well I got the used reo in and it had some major problems. I contacted reosmods, and Rob gave me advice, he gave me tips on how to fix it, then when that didn't work, he told me to send it in. I paid a very small fee to have it repaired and had that thing back to me in less than a week after I sent it off. I was impressed and sold on his customer service.

There are other modders out there, but when a vendor is willing to help out someone that didn't even buy a product from them, it says a lot for that vendor.

 

[Ratman]

Feel free to send me a PM if you need any specific info. Be happy to help if I can.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Sound like Rob is the kind of person you want to give your money to and support. So on the vv reo how low an ohm coil can you wrap, and do vv reos take 18650 batteries,I think I saw somewhere somebody making a BF that took a 23650 or something.

 

[Ratman]

I am not real sure on the vv reo low ohm question. I have gone as low as 1.0 on mine but it was too hot of vape. I like about 1.3 myself. You don't need to go as low of ohm on a bf rba as you do on a genny to get a kickass vape.

The vv reo takes 2 IMR 18350s and goes up to 5.5v

There may be some small diy mod builders out there that have made some 23650 bf mods but no mass produced or semi mass produced that I know of. Rob is planning to make one that takes a big battery like a 26500 some day but not any time soon.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

No SS for me man, strictly ceramics, cannot beat the flavor with anything out there.

The other less expensive bottom feeder mods out there are either just barely less expensive, like $120-130, or else they are made of plastic ie. disposable. Rob does occasionally have blem REOs for sale in the $115 range. You might send him a PM and see if he has any available that he may not have had time to list on the site. His forum name is redeyedancer.

The RM2 atty is an excellent choice as well. The ceramic floor makes it really easy to play around with SS mesh setups that you would be familiar with. All the taste, none of the shorting! LoL That great fresh dripped flavor you like on genny with the press of a bottle.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

No SS for me man, gave that crap up,strictly ceramics now, just can't beat the flavor with anything else out there.

The other less expensive bottom feeder mods out there are either just barely less expensive, like $120-130, or else they are made of plastic ie. disposable. Rob does occasionally have blem REOs for sale in the $115 range. You might send him a PM and see if he has any available that he may not have had time to list on the site. His forum name is redeyedancer.

The RM2 atty is an excellent choice as well. The ceramic floor makes it really easy to play around with SS mesh setups that you would be familiar with. All the taste, none of the shorting! LoL That great fresh dripped flavor you like on genny with the press of a bottle.

 

[Blix]

Shouldn't be a problem using a ceramic wick with a Reomizer or similar. And way less fiddly than a genesis for sure.
I usually set my attys up at around 0-7-1.0 ohms.

 

[Freckle]

For the VV reo, I would build my coil around 2.0 ohm, preferably around 2.5. Amps are what drain your battery, not voltage. Higher ohm, higher voltage, less amperage. Lower ohm, lower voltage, higher amperage.

 

[Blix]

Yeah for the VV it wouldn't make any sense doing much lower than 2.0 ohms.

 

[niczgreat]

I don't' know why but I've found that the best vape is on Low Ohm Coils.

High Ohm, High Resistance just doesn't give me the flavor.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

I agree Tom high ohm coils heat up to fast and ..... slap the juice around,low ohm coils take thier time and seduce the nuances out of the juice

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Jeez these moderators, edit all the colorful epitahts out, really doesn't due justice to the beauty of the english language.