Bought Green Smoke...did I get suckered into the hype?

[DedTV]

Do any of you think I would be happy with a 510?

The connection doesn't really matter.
But all the new stuff usually comes out in 510 first. If you like being a beta tester, like to have a constant stream of new things to play with or just want maximum versatility; then 510 is the best option.
If you want something that just works and you don't want to do any fiddling or try everything new that comes out as soon as it's released, than an 808 is a good choice. There's a lot less stuff available for 808s but what comes out for them tends to be stuff that passed muster on the 510s and works well right out of the box. The Smokeless Image cartos are among the best cartos available. They also carry the Vision EgO style clearomizers. And Gotvapes now has the Pheonix clearos in 808. For many people, those are all the options they need or want to deal with.

Personally, I use the Volt X2s (808) almost exclusively. I started with the minis but the battery life was just too short and I kept ending up having to pick up a cig while they charged. Within a couple days of getting an X2 I had my last cigarette.
The 1300mah X2s is only $30 and is about as big as a cigar (the lower mah ones are a bit smaller). About the same size a kGo. That's enough to last me all day long especially since it's a passthrough (meaning you can use it while it's charging) and uses the common mini USB connection which I have chargers for all over the place. So any time I'm in my car, at my computer or near a wall socket I have it hooked up to a charger so I rarely have one go completely dead.
Plus, SI's customer service is phenomenal.

But as others have said, a kGo is equally good. It's just a bit more of a challenge finding the right things to use it with because there's so many options in 510 stuff and a lot of it isn't intended for 3.7v devices that you have to be a little more knowledgeable to avoid the things that won't work well.

 

[kiffy]

Just joined up.
I have been vaping for only 20 days, (no tobacco since I started) and found a few websites here based in Ireland. Bought the Joye 510, and got on great with it, but the vapour and throat hit died off very quickly, so then ordered the smoke Green from smokegreen.ie (called Green Smoke in the UK & USA???) and found that better still, but flavour and TH died off about a 1/3 the way through the cartridge, but still great vapour of it, but without the kick in the back of the throat let it down for me.

So read many threads on this forum and saw that the vv was the way to go for a 30 a day nicotine addict of 39 years, but have only today seen the new ego c twist batteries, and I intend to purchase a bucket load of them when I get back from my holidays in 2 weeks time.
I do have a few questions if anyone is kind enough to reply.

1: I intend to get the 1000 mah batteries (don't give a hoot how long it is) as I would like to get the most vaping time between charges, roughly how long will it last based on a 30 a day ex smoker. I know it's a tricky ? but roughly will do based on about 1 & 1/2 gs carts a day
2: is this new batterie safe to leave charging overnight or if I'm not around to disconnect when it's fully charged (GS say max 3 hours charge or battery gets damaged).
3: Is it feasible to but the full ego c starter kit with the new batts or just buy accessories for the twist batts.

Thanks in anticipation of a reply.

 

[Ratchet]

Just joined up.
I have been vaping for only 20 days, (no tobacco since I started) and found a few websites here based in Ireland. Bought the Joye 510, and got on great with it, but the vapour and throat hit died off very quickly, so then ordered the smoke Green from smokegreen.ie (called Green Smoke in the UK & USA???) and found that better still, but flavour and TH died off about a 1/3 the way through the cartridge, but still great vapour of it, but without the kick in the back of the throat let it down for me.

So read many threads on this forum and saw that the vv was the way to go for a 30 a day nicotine addict of 39 years, but have only today seen the new ego c twist batteries, and I intend to purchase a bucket load of them when I get back from my holidays in 2 weeks time.
I do have a few questions if anyone is kind enough to reply.

1: I intend to get the 1000 mah batteries (don't give a hoot how long it is) as I would like to get the most vaping time between charges, roughly how long will it last based on a 30 a day ex smoker. I know it's a tricky ? but roughly will do based on about 1 & 1/2 gs carts a day
2: is this new batterie safe to leave charging overnight or if I'm not around to disconnect when it's fully charged (GS say max 3 hours charge or battery gets damaged).
3: Is it feasible to but the full ego c starter kit with the new batts or just buy accessories for the twist batts.

Thanks in anticipation of a reply.

100 mAH = about 1 hour of vaping. So, yes, a 1000 mah should roughly last you all day or at least most of the day.
No, no batteries are "safe" to be charged all night. I charge mine when I'm at home and unplug them if I'm leaving the house (I have 8 18650 batteries for my Lavatube so that's not a problem).
Don't know about starter kit vs. separate accessories, I don't own an ego but I'm sure someone will be along to answer that one.

 

[kiffy]

Thanks Rachet. What I have been doing so far is taking all my bits to work with me so I can charge my batts as soon as they die, as I don't won't to go back on normal cigs. Never managed more than 3 days of sheer agony off them before vaping, so made sure I never ran out of charged batts.

It would be great if the ego c twist had like a safety cut off when the batt became fully charged, but maybe for €25 you can't have everything.

 

[sailorman]

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3: Is it feasible to but the full ego c starter kit with the new batts or just buy accessories for the twist batts.

Thanks in anticipation of a reply.

If by buying the eCo-C starter kit you are just getting a charger and maybe some regular cartomizers, it's usually less expensive. If the eGo-C starter kit includes those plastic tanks cones and atomizers, you'd be better to skip that system entirely and just get the Twist batteries. The eGo-C and eGo-T tank systems are finicky, leaky and generally a pain in the ..... Most everyone who gets them abandons them in short order and replaces them with normal eGo Vision clearomizers or cartomizers or some other juice delivery system. You'lll see post after post here from people saying the love their eGo-C's but they use Stardusts or cartomizers or something other than the eGo-C "tank system". Don't pay for that "tank system". Just get the batteries and charger(s).

 

[Los Marauder]

Just to make life more complicated for you....... Also great is the Echo. Like the K Go, the Echo will kick the green smoke and ever changing Ego in the ..... The 2 main reasons a person would pick the Echo are as follows. 1) The echo is a automatic kr 808 big bat. This means it does not have a button to push. Just inhale like a regular cigarette. Also the kr 808d1 (not kr808d2 like green smoke) big batteries are unregulated, or in other words, comes off the charger at around 4.0 volts, and slowly drain to 3.2 volts rather than Ego style "regulated" 3.5volts and never goes up or down and gives less flavor. 2) The cartomizers for the Echo are the envy of the vaping world. They hold 3ml of juice, enough for a full day, and can be refilled for about 2 weeks of solid vaping befor needing replacement or cleaning. The k go, I go, Reiva, Echo, will all be a great idea. Just don't go for the Ego. Not enough flavor, over priced, but for some reasons people over recomend them.

 

[sailorman]

Thanks Rachet. What I have been doing so far is taking all my bits to work with me so I can charge my batts as soon as they die, as I don't won't to go back on normal cigs. Never managed more than 3 days of sheer agony off them before vaping, so made sure I never ran out of charged batts.

It would be great if the ego c twist had like a safety cut off when the batt became fully charged, but maybe for €25 you can't have everything.

Use a USB/AC adapter and plug it into a timer. Set the timer for a typical charge time. It won't hurt anything if you overestimate the time a little bit.

 

[sailorman]

Just to make life more complicated for you....... Also great is the Echo. Like the K Go, the Echo will kick the green smoke and ever changing Ego in the ..... The 2 main reasons a person would pick the Echo are as follows. 1) The echo is a automatic kr 808 big bat. This means it does not have a button to push. Just inhale like a regular cigarette. Also the kr 808d1 (not kr808d2 like green smoke) big batteries are unregulated, or in other words, comes off the charger at around 4.0 volts, and slowly drain to 3.2 volts rather than Ego style "regulated" 3.5volts and never goes up or down and gives less flavor. 2) The cartomizers for the Echo are the envy of the vaping world. They hold 3ml of juice, enough for a full day, and can be refilled for about 2 weeks of solid vaping befor needing replacement or cleaning. The k go, I go, Reiva, Echo, will all be a great idea. Just don't go for the Ego. Not enough flavor, over priced, but for some reasons people over recomend them.

All that is true, except there are other "mega" cartomizers. But I think the OP is out of danger regarding the wimpy eGo. He's wanting an eGo Twist, which is another animal entirely. I believe the only potential pitfall he's facing is falling for the worthless "Tank system" that comes in some kits.

I will refrain from mentioning that, for the price of a few twists, he could buy a full featured, full range VV PV that accepts replaceable batteries so running out of battery power would never be an issue.

Oops. Edit: This was directed at Kiffy's situation, not the O.P.'s. My bad. There's been a little threadjacking going on. Your post was correct for the OP. Sorry.

 

[kiffy]

If by buying the eCo-C starter kit you are just getting a charger and maybe some regular cartomizers, it's usually less expensive. If the eGo-C starter kit includes those plastic tanks cones and atomizers, you'd be better to skip that system entirely and just get the Twist batteries. The eGo-C and eGo-T tank systems are finicky, leaky and generally a pain in the ..... Most everyone who gets them abandons them in short order and replaces them with normal eGo Vision clearomizers or cartomizers or some other juice delivery system. You'lll see post after post here from people saying the love their eGo-C's but they use Stardusts or cartomizers or something other than the eGo-C "tank system". Don't pay for that "tank system". Just get the batteries and charger(s).

Cheers Sailorman.
It's hard to know for a newbie what product to go for, and it could take days going through YouTube vid's and threads on this forum, but have seen nothing but good reports about the ego C twist even though it will be the size and width of a sledge hammer handle, but hopefully it will do the job for me.

 

[JudeD]

I'll throw in a vote for the eGo C Twist. The 650 mah is small enough to fit in your pocket, you can use it the same as a regular eGo C and then when you are ready to branch out, you can adjust the voltage with a simple twist of the dial on the bottom. Most people eventually go for a variable voltage PV and with the Twist, you can try it for about $20 and see if you like it. I agree that if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't buy a kit. I'd just buy a couple of batteries, a charger, and some clearomizers. I have tons of eGo tank cartridges that I'll never use.

 

[sailorman]

Cheers Sailorman.
It's hard to know for a newbie what product to go for, and it could take days going through YouTube vid's and threads on this forum, but have seen nothing but good reports about the ego C twist even though it will be the size and width of a sledge hammer handle, but hopefully it will do the job for me.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the eGo Twist. It's the C part that causes confusion. I don't know why they call it an ego-C Twist unless it includes their worthless atomizer/tank system. If it doesn't, go for it. Be aware that 1000mah on a VV battery doesn't last as long as 1000mah on a fixed voltage, so you'll get about 8 hours vape time between charges. If this is all you have, you'll need a minimum of two batteries so you have something to use while one recharges.

If you buy the 650mah model, it'll last 3-4 hours between charges. You really will need a "bucketfull" of them.

My main complaint about the twist is that by the time you buy enough batteries to cover yourself, you could just go ahead and buy a permanent, non-disposable, VV with replaceable batteries. Then, when a battery wears out, you don't throw your whole e-cig in the trash. You simply buy another battery for $5-10. And, you don't have to buy two or three of them. You buy one e-cig and buy 2-3 batteries.

My philosophy is, why would I buy a $60 disposable flashlight when I could get a $60 flashlight that takes regular batteries? I might do that if the disposable flashlight performed better than the permanent one, but it doesn't.

 

[sailorman]

For the price of two 1000mah Twists, you can get this:
Apollo VTube Kit

It comes with a 1600mah battery. It will accept a 2200mah battery. When a Twist has worn out and is thrown away, it will still be under warranty. It has a voltage indicator that you can actually read without a microscope and it goes to 6V instead of 4.8V. It's chrome plated copper and cost's $60 with discount code Vtube30. For $13 more, you can get it in Stainless Steel.

The batteries cost $10 to replace, not $30 and they last about twice as long as a Twist before needing to be replaced.

And it's the same length as a Twist. The smaller version is 700mah and shorter than a Twist. It's about 6mm larger in diameter.

 

[kiffy]

There's nothing inherently wrong with the eGo Twist. It's the C part that causes confusion. I don't know why they call it an ego-C Twist unless it includes their worthless atomizer/tank system. If it doesn't, go for it. Be aware that 1000mah on a VV battery doesn't last as long as 1000mah on a fixed voltage, so you'll get about 8 hours vape time between charges. If this is all you have, you'll need a minimum of two batteries so you have something to use while one recharges.

If you buy the 650mah model, it'll last 3-4 hours between charges. You really will need a "bucketfull" of them.

My main complaint about the twist is that by the time you buy enough batteries to cover yourself, you could just go ahead and buy a permanent, non-disposable, VV with replaceable batteries. Then, when a battery wears out, you don't throw your whole e-cig in the trash. You simply buy another battery for $5-10. And, you don't have to buy two or three of them. You buy one e-cig and buy 2-3 batteries.

My philosophy is, why would I buy a $60 disposable flashlight when I could get a $60 flashlight that takes regular batteries? I might do that if the disposable flashlight performed better than the permanent one, but it doesn't.

8 hours would do me fine, and I will use the gadget as a fixed voltage device as soon as I find the right setting to suit my needs (don't see the need to keep changing it once I find the right Kick and vapour, from vid's I've seen 4.2 or above will be about right for me.

The ego c kit comes with:
2 x eGo-C atomiser body (atomiser base and cover)
5 x eGo-C atomiser head
2 x 900mAh eGo-C battery
1 x Fast eGo USB charger
1 x USB to mains adapter (UK or EU)
5 x Empty Tank Cartridges (Type A)
2 x Mouthpiece covers
1 x User manual.

I don't have any other accessories other than plenty of spare batteries and blank cartridges so maybe the kit for €50 isn't too bad

 

[kiffy]

For the price of two 1000mah Twists, you can get this:
Apollo VTube Kit

It comes with a 1600mah battery. It will accept a 2200mah battery. When a Twist has worn out and is thrown away, it will still be under warranty. It has a voltage indicator that you can actually read without a microscope and it goes to 6V instead of 4.8V. It's chrome plated copper and cost's $60 with discount code Vtube30. For $13 more, you can get it in Stainless Steel.

The batteries cost $10 to replace, not $30 and they last about twice as long as a Twist before needing to be replaced.

And it's the same length as a Twist. The smaller version is 700mah and shorter than a Twist. It's about 6mm larger in diameter.

Can't get that item from any Irish website (we don't have any outlets nationwide that sell Vape good only websites) and most USA websites I tried to signed up to dont allow anyone outside the USA to register, and the ones that do charge nearly as much for delivery as the items you want to purchase, maybe in time when vaping gets more popular here things will improve.

 

[sailorman]

That's not the Twist. That's the eGo-C. It's not a variable voltage. It's regulated at an underpowered 3.4V. The atomizer head and body and the tank cartridges are junk. For 50 Euro, it's overprice junk. Twists don't come in kits with that tank system. They come individually and you buy 2 of them separately.

This is not what you want. It is a low power, fixed voltage battery.

You will change the voltage. You'll change it for different juices. you'll change it for different cartomizers or atomizers. Even if you use the same resistance atomizer, it will change in resistance. That's the whole reason for variable voltage, which that kit is not.

 

[sailorman]

Can't get that item from any Irish website (we don't have any outlets nationwide that sell Vape good only websites) and most USA websites I tried to signed up to dont allow anyone outside the USA to register, and the ones that do charge nearly as much for delivery as the items you want to purchase, maybe in time when vaping gets more popular here things will improve.

Shipping to Ireland is $13 for USPS priority mail, 2 week delivery or $22 for DHL Express with tracking and 3 day delivery.

I know these are sold at other European sites too, so no customs worries.

 

[kiffy]

That's not the Twist. That's the eGo-C. It's not a variable voltage. It's regulated at an underpowered 3.4V. The atomizer head and body and the tank cartridges are junk. For 50 Euro, it's overprice junk. Twists don't come in kits with that tank system. They come individually and you buy 2 of them separately.

This is not what you want. It is a low power, fixed voltage battery.

You will change the voltage. You'll change it for different juices. you'll change it for different cartomizers or atomizers. Even if you use the same resistance atomizer, it will change in resistance. That's the whole reason for variable voltage, which that kit is not.

I realise it's not the twist kit, just thought the items were what I need to use the twist batteries for a vape, and it would mean I would have the ego c batts as standby spares, as I haven't a clue what atomizers, ohm ratings, cartomizers etc are right to use with the twist, have only ever used new cartridges since I started vaping with Green smoke when they die off.

 

[kiffy]

Shipping to Ireland is $13 for USPS priority mail, 2 week delivery or $22 for DHL Express with tracking and 3 day delivery.

I know these are sold at other European sites too, so no customs worries.

I priced the Provaro and they quoted me $35 for shipping, so said sod that would have come to over $200 for it, I could get a cheap Ryan Air flight to the states for that ha-ha.

 

[sailorman]

I realise it's not the twist kit, just thought the items were what I need to use the twist batteries for a vape, and it would mean I would have the ego c batts as standby spares, as I haven't a clue what atomizers, ohm ratings, cartomizers etc are right to use with the twist, have only ever used new cartridges since I started vaping with Green smoke when they die off.

Those Items are the last things you want to vape with on a Twist battery. If you get a Twist, all you have to know about ohms is that you want to use a cartomizer or whatever you use, with a resistance of about 2.5 to 3 ohms.

There are many diferent cartomizers, clearomizers, etc. to use with an ego battery. The only important thing to know is that the lower the voltage, the lower the ohms. The batteries in that eGo-C kit are only 3.4V. That means you'd need something like 1.7 to 2 ohms for proper vapor production. With the Twist, your voltage begins where the eGo-C stops.
If you try to use the same atomizer or cartomizer on both devices, you'll be either crippling your Twist or over taxing your eGo-C. The stuff that comes with the eGo-C is calibrated to work with 3.4V.. The Twist starts at 3.2V and goes to 4.8V.

If you want a backup for your Twist, get something with a 3.7V battery, non-regulated. At least then, you'll have some decent overlap in the devices that you can use on them.

 

[sailorman]

I priced the Provaro and they quoted me $35 for shipping, so said sod that would have come to over $200 for it, I could get a cheap Ryan Air flight to the states for that ha-ha.

You can get the Vtube also at apolloecigs.com.uk. 9 pounds for shipping. Just found out in case you're interested.