Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

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Kent C

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Katya

Very uncharacteristic slip, Kent. My remark was not directed to Zelda, but to salt. I was talking about his new SoCal bad boy avatar.
But I guess it's a losing battle. Zelda, dear, could you please maybe consider zooming out a bit, say, 20-25%?

Ok, it if makes you feel better, ignore the 'to'. I didn't. So the ""Legs will only take you so far." was in no way directed at zelda? Got it!

If you're trying to find a 'slip up' find an actual one. ;-)

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Just thought I'd post this tip here, in case someone finds it helpfull...

Carto filling technique: (works great for ALL cartos)

Take carto off battery or out of packaging, either keeping on, or placeing on the bottom condom. Pop the top and remove any rubber gaskets. Get syringe with needle at least the length of carto, longer is ok.

There are two ways you can do this, either a) drip juice into top of carto untill it almost reaches the top, then take empty syringe and run needle down the side. Slowly pull the plunger untill juice is not visible. This takes the air at the bottom of the carto out. Or b) fill syringe with 1ml of juice and run it down the side of the carto, then just plunge to fill, go above the filler, then pull back on the plunger to get liquid level back down.

This method is how I fill all my cartos now, it's very easy and clean.
 

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Well you're welcome to make suggestions on the "changing of the avatar". Should it stay or should it go? :toast:

After all you guys are the experts I'm only a neophyte here.

I already said I like it :) Just what cartos are your looking for? lol

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Just to report on the cloudsofvapor 1.8-2.0 LR cartos for the 510. I swore I wouldn't get any more but then did when I picked up some E2's from Bruce but just had another go out and this time on an eGo. I normally use the Provapes LR for the eGo and was using the 1.8-2.0Ω ones on the Bart and Protege but I still haven't got one to last over a week. I know some think that's about right but not me. Esp. after only losing one Provapes for months now. Again, these cov LR cartos are good - great vapor and still hold flavor well but imo, simply not worth it. Bruce says they're made esp. for cov (and I haven't seen that exact ohm rating elsewhere - and yes, they meter out at that) but he should perhaps have them make them more substantial than they are.

Anyone else have better luck with them than I have?

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Thanks so much for explaining the problem. I was beginning to think it was me or something I was doing wrong; however, I couldn't figure out anything I did wrong to cause each one to quit.

I unplug the PT unit (w/o battery) and then make sure to unplug the PT unit (w/battery) if I leave the house, which isn't often considering I'm too blind to drive and I live in such a rural area it's impossible to go anywhere without a vehicle or public transportation and there is no public transportation in this area except for cabs and their fees, well let's just say they are severely overpriced and literally highway robbery. It is even more difficult to afford their high rates even with decent income but impossible when that income is severely limited as is the case for us being as how my DH can't work anymore due to his health problems.

I'll check around to find out if anyone comes out with a decent PT that will work without burning out all the time and check into the link you included. I am not as adept at repairing things or modifying things as I was before. Sure, I grew up an adrenaline junkie but the world changes when your sight dims and obstacles exist out there that can be easily missed yet cause massive destruction when you are not able to see where you are going or what you are doing.

A few summers ago before my vision took another header into the area of severely limited to slim light perception, I accidentally ran our Cub Cadet into the corner of the house. The year before that I hit our deck and moved it an inch or so. I imagine you have some idea of the scratches that were on the grill of this lawn tractor from hell, so to speak. DH wasn't happy about it although he didn't get angry or even mad. He simply told me that my days of driving the lawn tractor were over. If he hadn't put the stops to it, I could have ruined the lawn tractor permanently and then we would have had to purchase a new one or had major repairs on the other not to mention the high chances of my hurting myself in the process. I'm sure you get the picture... I'm off to safer things these day but it doesn't mean I don't miss the rush of riding motorbikes, water skiing, racing sailboats, or even street racing (way back in the day b4 I realized those points added up on the drivers license not to mention the car insurance LOL! ) I don't even trust myself to go climbing anymore; however, one fall could produce a break in a bone that could take an entire year to heal. I went through that in 2007, after a fall put me in a leg cast then another after I accidentally put weight down on the leg with the break. I was reduced to that hateful wheelchair b/c there is so much nerve damage from lupus & Sjogren's I wasn't able to use a walker or crutches.

If it weren't for e-cigs and my occasional mixed drink, glass of wine, or my favorite imported beer, I'd really be miserable. Best of all though, is the E-cigs are so much safer for those with sight issues. I have informed many of my friend who are either partially sighted or totally blind who smoke and they like the E-cigs too. There is no danger of burning out houses or clothes, or even carpets from dropped or cigarettes, missed ashtrays, or even losing the burning end (the part referred to as the cherry of an analog cigarette when it's burning). The E-cig has certainly become somewhat of a saving grace for us. I just wish whoever makes these PTs would get their butts in gear, even if it means kicking the engineers who designed these things in the buttocks so they will fix the problem b/c there are serious design flaws especially after listening to your explanation.

Thanks so much. You are a wonderful person. Please know I appreciate your taking the time to explain it.

Paise


Ok, I'm not an expert by any means....

Basically the PTs (power supplies) being sold with the kits are ... well ... junk.

First of all there is the issue with being able to supply sufficient current. Let's take a standard Joye 510 ecig (w/battery). Joye 510 atomizers run about 2.2 ohms to 2.4 ohms. Joye 510 battery delivers something like 3.2 volts? Plug those figures into
Ohm's Law Calculator
and you get something like 1.5 amps current.

Ohms law relates volts, resistance, and current. Fix one of those 3 variables and the other two are directly porportional to each other. In our case the resistance is due to the physical attributes of the atomizer/cartomizer and for all practical purposes, fixed. In the example above the Joye 510 presents 2.2 ohms resistance. The power supply is going to have volts (potential) and produce some amount of current flow through that fixed resistance. Let's say the power supply has infinite capacity and you set the voltage on it to 3.2 volts. You would get about 1.5 amps of current running through the atomizer coil.

Now let's say you set the voltage on the power supply to 5 volts. With the 2.2 ohm resistance you would now get about 2.3 amps of current running through the atomizer coil.

So back to the regular Joye 510 kit, we're trying to draw 1.5 amps of current right? Let's look at the USB port on our PC for a power supply. The ratings on a (typical) USB port on a PC are 5 volts and can supply up to 0.5 amps... Well, we're trying to draw 3 times that amount of current. The resistance is fixed, the USB port can only supply 0.5 amps of current so that means that voltage has to give. You're not going to get 5 volts. Using the calculator and plugging in 2.2 for ohms and 0.5 for amps you're going to end up with 1.1 volts. Pretty weak right? That's why the PTs (without battery) are pretty much worthless when plugged into a PC.

Ok, the USB port will produce power (as wimpy as it may be) constantly. We don't hold the button on the PV down constantly. If we put a battery in line then we could store up while not vaping and release it (faster) when the button is pressed. Works pretty good since you're not vaping a lot more of the time than you are vaping. The problem is that it's a teeny tiny battery. It's not so much that it doesn't hold much it's just that teeny tiny batteries get really stressed when releasing relatively large amounts of energy in a short amount of time. So while you can get better performance while it works you're stressing the battery and it's lifetime as a battery is pretty short. A larger battery like a 14500 would last much longer but who wants that hanging from their cord. and they cost more.

In any event, the 5v PTs you usually get to plug into the wall are poorly made and woefully under rated/built for our application. Don't know the particulars but there are usually windings and/or some eletrical componentry in there that's all encased in resin (or not) and it gets stressed and it quits working. Lots of it is of the very cheapest Chinese manufacture overseen by the same fine quality control that our atomizers and cartomizers are manufactured under. I'll qualify my opening statement. It's designed/rated for requirements less than what we need AND it's junk. You're overdriving something that's woefully underpowered to begin with.

4 or 5 PTs... With that amount of use it sounds like it would be cost effective for you to invest in a quality power supply/PT. Something like this:

Enercell High-Power AC Adapter : AC Adapters | RadioShack.com

would be sufficient. Pick your voltage and it can supply up to 2 amps. Not quite enough but sufficient. And I would expect it to last years if you don't crimp the cord.
(you would need to get the correct plug for it to fit the device/PT you're using. A fixed voltage (3v or 5v) might be cheaper or more durable if not cheaper but you lose the flexibility to choose your voltage.

I'm not familiar with the 2 amp power supplies that someone (one of our suppliers?) has conscripted from China. The fact that it's rated for 2 amps says something for it. He was selling them for $5 or something before he starts supplying them to WallMart where he expects them to be priced at about $15.

No details but maybe that helps.
 
The good suppliers actually do that. I will, hopefully, be getting some of those XL Truemans sometime next week from Ross at Vapors Etc. He ordered samples and would like us to take them for a spin before he decides to stock them. So, stay tuned. I'll share with those of you here who are interested in testing them. I'm not sure how many I'll have, maybe six or so, I'll let you know.

If they aren't already spoken for, I'd love to give one a test drive, I promise... I'll be gentle ;) (at first)

Nice avatar. Legs will only take you so far.

And thanks! I'm glad you approve. My hair began growing out, and I didn't want to mis-represent myself ;)

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Oh, and it's my 800th post, thank you very much!
 
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Neo and Tibur and Salt! Good Prophets finally carries the 3.0Ω blank 4081s. Time to order.

Well, dang Rob anyway. He's costing me money. I don't suppose he found those sweet horizontal wire ones like Trueman? THAT would be too good to be true.

I still say those 2.5's were sweet on a 901. But I know...everyone seems to want the power drags.
 

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"Neo and Tibur and Salt! Good Prophets finally carries the 3.0Ω blank 4081s. Time to order."

lol, katya, still got too many left from the trueman order. i've been vaping with the 808 e2 for the last 10 days;)

Aw, man. I'm trying to make mine last. I only bring one out a week. Disciplined, aren't I? :p
 

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Just to report on the cloudsofvapor 1.8-2.0 LR cartos for the 510. I swore I wouldn't get any more but then did when I picked up some E2's from Bruce but just had another go out and this time on an eGo. I normally use the Provapes LR for the eGo and was using the 1.8-2.0Ω ones on the Bart and Protege but I still haven't got one to last over a week. I know some think that's about right but not me. Esp. after only losing one Provapes for months now. Again, these cov LR cartos are good - great vapor and still hold flavor well but imo, simply not worth it. Bruce says they're made esp. for cov (and I haven't seen that exact ohm rating elsewhere - and yes, they meter out at that) but he should perhaps have them make them more substantial than they are.

Anyone else have better luck with them than I have?
I was just debating between the two. Provapes is also rated at 1.8-2.0.
Provape says they carry both vertical & Horizontal coils. Which one do you have? How do you compare those to the tru-vapors? I like the tru-vapors but they are so inconsistent in the burn factor.
Provape just got the horizontal coils in which sounds like SLBs and I have been looking for some SLB style cartos at that res range.
 

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I was just debating between the two. Provapes is also rated at 1.8-2.0.

They've changed twice now. At first it was 1.5, then 1.6-1.7Ω And both kinds metered out at that. Glad I have a bunch. I havn't gotten any since their last 'blurb', so I don't know what the current ones are.

Provape says they carry both vertical & Horizontal coils. Which one do you have?

I've only lost one and didn't autopsy. There's no wire coming up like some - spooled filler - center hole, etc.

How do you compare those to the tru-vapors? I like the tru-vapors but they are so inconsistent in the burn factor.

I've never had tru-vapors - the Trueman that I got from Kate is still going but I moved it from an eGo to a mega batt because of her report. Worked well but is vaping real thin now - filler shrunk. Ever since I started the 'refill when you detect the first loss in flavor', the ones I have cut open have been fairly clean - no holes in the filler - one had a hole in the coil wrapping. Almost all the V4L's I cut open before the 'rule', were burnt - some considerably.

Provape just got the horizontal coils in which sounds like SLBs and I have been looking for some SLB style cartos at that res range.

The have the gold/bronze connector but they also came in plastic bags. The LR attys that I got from there - 1.5ohms - also have the same connector and are great, imo, for the eGo - but again, neither are good on the Bart - no flavor - none - and that's vaping DV's habana reserve - no lighty and real tabs - probably even heavier. I don't drip so some drippers have reported good stuff on 3.7 volts but they have it down to get flavor. Either way the vapor is huge.

I'm going to have to pick some of the 1.8-2.0 ones up myself, just in case they are as stable as the older ones - and different from the COV's. Hate to say that on COV, because Bruce has been getting some good stuff in and is great on communication and service. But again - if I get 5 days from one I'm lucky. I may be spoiled by the mega eGo carto/energizer - still using that one since May 23rd!

Understand too - I have 9 or 10 PV's going at all times, so take that into account on 'use'. I hit the DV flavors hard - habana reserve - on a Bart and an eGo, absinthe - eGo with mega eGo atty and Protege regular 510 atty, Real Tabs - mega eGo cartos cut down to fit a Bart and an E2 on an eGo/Riva, Ylang Ylang on an eGo on a mega eGo atty/cart, same with Lotus flower. TW french pipe now on the wetbox with the first E2 I had from WW weeks ago. Black Current on my only remaining V3 Janty Stick on a LR 801 :) I have some Janty Classic attys 304's I'm going to sell from my stash/cache.
 

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I don't know how you do it Neo. If I go 2 days out of a carto I feel accomplished.

Because I have the secret and have unlocked the Matrix.

No....I meant I only allow myself one of the cartos from Truemans per week because I'm trying to make them last. Believe me, I use plenty of others. :p
 

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New problem with Mega Ego cartos - On my last 3 the metal cap covering the carto (that connects to the battery) has completely fallen off on fairly new cartos. Has this happened to anyone else? I don't know if I can get the cap back on to work. 3 in a row not good.

Never heard of that. You saying the whole thread assembly falls off - brass threads, centerpost, etc. what the wires are hooked to ??
 
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