Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[Katya]

Oh, salt. there's no end to it, is there?

Yeah, the first batch of 510 cartos at GP looked exactly like the Truemans, and their ohm rating was the same (2.5Ω). But these are 3.0Ω, so I don't know.

I've never tried the cartos from madvapes. I like the 2.5Ω resistance. Anybody? I checked the reviews and they are mixed (surprise, surprise).

And Cignot just introduced this:

Joye 510 cartomizers. Made by Joyetech.

Nice idea, but looks like the same idiotic design as the eGo Mega cartos--you need a syringe to fill them. Why on earth would they make them like this is beyond me.

 

[ImYourSalt]

An end? No, not anytime soon, my dear.

I really wanna try those cartos from Madvapes. but those will have to wait till next week.

I got some GP-808-D-1 cartomizers from GP 3.5 ohm
GP-808D-1 Cartomizer
THEY seem to be the same manufacture (by appearances, mind you) as the other "trueman" cartos.

i'll report back!

Oh, Salt. there's no end to it, is there?

Yeah, the first batch of 510 cartos at GP looked exactly like the Truemans, and their ohm rating was the same (2.5Ω). But these are 3.0Ω, so I don't know.

I've never tried the cartos from MadVapes. I like the 2.5Ω resistance. Anybody? I checked the reviews and they are mixed (surprise, surprise).

And Cignot just introduced this:

Joye 510 cartomizers. Made by Joyetech.

Nice idea, but looks like the same idiotic design as the eGo Mega cartos--you need a syringe to fill them. Why on earth would they make them like this is beyond me.

and those Joyetech cartos might be interesting... sort of a e-cig sized version of the ego cartomizers.

 

[nicnac]

2.5Ω sure sounds right on the money for me (if its not any higher than that). Right now I'm waiting on the provapes 2Ω cartos.
I will try the madvapes if I don't have a successful experience with the provapes.

The Tru-vapor cartos are just not consistent enough. Sometimes I go through 3 of them in one day.

 

[ImYourSalt]

The Tru-vapor cartos are just not consistent enough. Sometimes I go through 3 of them in one day.

Did that today!

 

[nicnac]

Did that today!

OMG I'm becoming a carto killer too. Picking up bad habits I'm somehow very good at.
Were they the tru-vapors? What device?
I killed them all on the wetbox. apparently i couldn't get them wet enough.

 

[Katya]

OMG I'm becoming a carto killer too. Picking up bad habits I'm somehow very good at.
Were they the tru-vapors? What device?
I killed them all on the wetbox. apparently i couldn't get them wet enough.

Didn't WitchWay say that you have to fill the carto first? I don't own a wetbox, but I remember her posting something to that effect.

I'm using the Tru-Vapors and the IKV SLB 510s, and I really prefer the Tru-Vapor ones, but they are hit and miss. I just had one die on me for no apparent reason. It's been going strong for two days, I refilled it again, and...nothing. Dead. No burning, no shorts, nothing. Just dead. Won't fire. I tried blowing through it, adjusting the post, cleaning the threads--nada.

 

[ImYourSalt]

I burned 3 of the truemans. 510 on a standard 510 battery. Nothing fancy. I think it has something to do with the juice though.

I LOVE 555. but for some reason it seems to kill these cartos faster than some other juices. I alternate EcoPure rich, and SEJ's version of 36mg 555 (which is not 555 btw), and when I vape those juices, these cartos will last me days, as opposed to hours.

Also, I got my shipping notice for the 808d-1s from GP, which im expecting to be treumans. 3.5 ohm. any day now..

next on my list is MadVapes (2.4 ohm?) 510 cartos.
or the Joyetech 510s from Cignot. maybe both

stay tuned...

OMG I'm becoming a carto killer too. Picking up bad habits I'm somehow very good at.
Were they the tru-vapors? What device?
I killed them all on the wetbox. apparently i couldn't get them wet enough.

 

[Neo]

Finally finished off one of the GP 4081 2.5Ω cartos (vaped on a 901). Put about 6 ml of juice through it and the sock had a very small burn. The filling did not. Interestingly, it's not the fluffy polyfill stuff but rather the denser, rolled filling like the Truemans. The usual juice charring junk was noted.

Got the GP 4081 3Ω today. It was pretty warm on an 808 batt so I've switched to a 901 on these too.

Still puts out clouds but the vape is cooler and the carto is cooler and I like that.

 

[Katya]

Salt, I already ordered the 2.5Ω Bauway cartos from Madvapes, even though the reviews are mixed (but people are using them on 6 volts, so there). I'll let you know. I'm not going to try the 510 eGo cartomizers from Cignot; they look like a smaller version of the eGo carto--plastic shell and cumbersome refilling system. And since I had no luck with the big ones, I'm not interested.

I'm also officialy giving up on the 2.5Ω SLBs. I just fried three in a row, losing 5 ml of very good eliquid in the process, so I'm done. I don't know what's wrong with them, but they are clearly overstuffed, the draw is sluggish and they begin to taste burnt after 10-15 min of vaping. I did the autopsy and there are no burn marks on the filler, but the taste is nasty and burnt. It's the wick, I presume. I'm 4 for 6.

Back to True-Vapor. So far so good. I love these cartos. When they work. I really hope Ross will be able to figure out what is going on and tighten the QC at the manufacturing end. I can't imagine using anything else on my Riva.

BTW, Salt, what kind of 555 are you using? Most of the 555 eliquids are clear and shouldn't cause burning. The sweet, dark-colored, highly flavored juices--yes, but 555? I've tried Nhaler's HV 555, Backwoods Brew 555 and the VS Frisco and all vape very cleanly and wick well.

Neo, thanks for the reviews of the 4081s.

Nicnac, let us know about those new Provapes, will you?

We're seriously short-staffed here without Lorikay and WitchWay, and I would like to update the Master carto list and finally change the title of the thread. I think I'll be ready to do that when we've looked at Provapes and Bauway (and possibly the Trueman XLs from Vapors Etc). I'm going to retest the Boge one more time. A lot of people seem to like them and I've only tried a couple of them, some time ago. Have any of you had any experience with either the Bauway or the Boge cartos?

If you have any recommendations or suggestions as to what needs to be added to the WW master list of cartos, please let me know.

Also, I need your input regarding the new title.

When everything is ready, I'll ask Lu to move the new info to the Master Sticky.

Oh, we need recommendations for HV cartos. So far I only know of two: Nhaler's and the new 3.5Ω kr808 cartos from Good Prophets. Anything else?

 

[nicnac]

Salt, I already ordered the 2.5Ω Bauway cartos from Madvapes, even though the reviews are mixed (but people are using them on 6 volts, so there). I'll let you know.

I'm also officialy giving up on the 2.5Ω SLBs. I just fried three in a row, losing 5 ml of very good eliquid in the process, so I'm done. I don't know what's wrong with them, but they are clearly overstuffed, the draw is sluggish and they begin to taste burnt after 10-15 min of vaping. I did the autopsy and there are no burn marks on the filler, but the taste is nasty and burnt. It's the wick, I presume. I'm 4 for 6.

Back to True-Vapor. So far so good. I love these cartos. When they work. I really hope Ross will be able to figure out what is going on and tighten the QC at the manufacturing end. I can't imagine using anything else on my Riva.

Nicnac, let us know about those new Provapes, will you?

We're seriously short-staffed here without Lorikay and WitchWay, and I would like to update the Master carto list and finally change the title of the thread. I think I'll be ready to do that when we've looked at Provapes and Bauway (and possibly the Trueman XLs from Vapors Etc). I'm going to retest the Boge one more time. A lot of people seem to like them and I've only tried a couple of them, some time ago. Have any of you had any experience with either the Bauway or the Boge cartos?

If you have any recommendations or suggestions as to what needs to be added to the WW master list of cartos, please let me know.

Also, I need your input regarding the new title.

When everything is ready, I'll ask Lu to move the new info to the Master Sticky.

Oh, we need recommendations for HV cartos. So far I only know of two: Nhaler's and the new 3.5Ω kr808 cartos from Good Prophets. Anything else?

Let us know about the 2.5Ω Bauway cartos.
Yes the SLBs seem to be overstuffed. The carto design is by far better than the boge as far as holding the liquid and not leaking. the best experience I had with SLBs was the ones that had hardly any filling.

Here is my review of the Provape LR cartos.
Provape alternates between the SLB & Boge style cartos. When his stock depletes from one style, then he would stock up on the other style.
Right now he has the SLB style cartos which I ordered. He knew I was interested to test both styles so he sent me one boge style also. Now I have both kinds in my possession to compare.

The SLB style cartos look just like the SLB cartos (same thread, same filler & same mouthpiece & gasket). They average at around 1.9Ω. Brass thread & horizontal coil.
The SLB style cartos have that blanket type filler and the amount of filler varies drastically in each carto.
The first carto I tried had way too much filler inside which caused the coil not to breath properly which ended up with a hard draw and a bad taste. Took the filler out. It looked very clean. No sign of burning.
The other 4 I got left, two of them have the same amount of filler as the first one & two have less filler which I’m going to try next. One thing I have experienced about the SLB cartos is that the less filler material the better the draw, the vape production and the life of the cartos. These cartos do not leak.
For the second test I picked the one that had a lot least amount of filler. Nice & easy draw. Flavor came out pretty decent. TH & vapor production was great. But that didn’t last long. The taste started getting funky in an hour. Took it apart and no burn marks.

The Boge style has a silver thread and measured at 2.2Ω. Vertical coil. I only have one on this style. He is all out of these for now and sent me this one to sample.
This carto is on its 29th hour and is going strong. It does seem like it vapes a bit cooler than the Tru-vapors although it measures at 2.2 Ω.

Device: WetBox.

 

[Scottbee]

Bringing a message from the dark side:

I've been doing a fair amount of playing with the E2 style cartomizers over the last couple of weeks.

I'll tell you straight up that the first batch that I received (2nd generation, plastic cup, KR808D-1) didn't really do all that much for me. They didn't wick all that well, burned "hot", were picky about what devices that they would work on, and had quality issues. I could see potential, but they "weren't there".

The next batch that I received were the 3rd generation or so. They went over to a ceramic coil pot, loosened the nichrome wrap on the wick, and made some other incremental changes. In this specific case, I went with the 510 XL versions.. which hold well in excess of 1ml.. probably closer to 2ml.

These are MUCH better. They wick "OK" and deliver good to great vapor. The specific units that I have are in the 2.8-2.8 Ohm range.. which is still a bit too low IMHO for this style. The web page shows that they are going to offer these in different resistance ratings.. up to 3.2 Ohms. Units in the 3.0-3.2 Ohm range will probably perform better.. but that is just speculation.

The ones that I currently have work pretty good on a 510 class battery running at 3.1V or so (effective). That means that they are good on the eGo/Tornado, Riva, stock 510 batteries and the like. I don't like them on my Bartleby or on Kanger (3.7V) batteries.

They are still a little finicky with respect to which battery they will work on. The center post will not make contact on everything that I own.

Anyway..... these are just my impressions. I think the "vector" on these units is good and if the trend continues I believe we'll have some very good cartomizers coming our way (either from these guys.. or knock-offs) in the near future. And of course.. there is no filler to burn/char/smolder on these units.

$.02. YMMV.

P.S. Filling is a PITA.

 

[Quick1]

Are you going to get some of the higher ohm ones to try? (lol, I mean, you weren't going to be an early adopter on these at all so you might as well follow through on the rest of the line).

I got to have 3.0 or greater for my CR2s and then I want to try them at 6+.
Along those lines how do they compare to regular attys/cartos at the same current (ball park).

I don't quite understand all the stuff about how "hot" they are...
I'm thinking all that may be due to:
1) the coil being at the top instead of the bottom or wrapped in filler in the middle of the tube and vapor traveling a lot further or through stuff from the coil to lips on conventional ones.
2) Or do you think they're using different nichrome? either in gauge or composition?
3) Or due to the wicking constraints it vaporizes whats there immediately and there's less cooling for the rest of the drag? That would be consistent with everyone taking shorter drags. It may not be so much that the rate of vapor production is greater but it gets hot/taste/etc. for the latter part of a normal vape drag?

haha, you going to try them at 6v?

 

[Katya]

Let us know about the 2.5Ω Bauway cartos.
Yes the SLBs seem to be overstuffed. The carto design is by far better than the boge as far as holding the liquid and not leaking. the best experience I had with SLBs was the ones that had hardly any filling.

The Boge style has a silver thread and measured at 2.2Ω. Vertical coil. I only have one on this style. He is all out of these for now and sent me this one to sample.
This carto is on its 29th hour and is going strong. It does seem like it vapes a bit cooler than the Tru-vapors although it measures at 2.2 Ω.

Device: WetBox.

Thanks a lot, Nicnac. I agree with you on the SLB cartos. Exact same experience.

My (standard 2.7-2.9Ω) Boges should be here soon. I"ll report. But those 2.2Ω ones sound promising, too. And just about as low as I'm willing to go. I had no luck with any cartos at or below 2.0Ω. Now Nhaler just introduced those:

NEW 510 Mega Low Resistance Cartomizers

They do look like the Boges, don't they?

I'll be happy to send you a Bauway if you want to try it.

I don't quite understand all the stuff about how "hot" they are...

Neither do I, but that was the very first impression I got: too hot and too harsh. And impossible to fill. But that was early on. I'm glad they are making improvements.

Bringing a message from the dark side:

Anyway..... these are just my impressions. I think the "vector" on these units is good and if the trend continues I believe we'll have some very good cartomizers coming our way (either from these guys.. or knock-offs) in the near future. And of course.. there is no filler to burn/char/smolder on these units.

$.02. YMMV.

P.S. Filling is a PITA.

Hey, Dr. Scottbee. Thanks for the report. Wouldn't it be nice if we could actually bring this thread to its logical conclusion by announcing that a burn-proof cartomizer has indeed been invented and it is performing well? I hope they can make it user friendly and consistent... We could have a party and an official closing ceremony.

But the devil is, of course, it the detail. And it seems that they can't get those annoying details under control. A decimal point off here, a few millimeters off there, a coil that's just a hair too tightly wrapped around the wick.

_______
House: If her DNA was off by one percentage point she'd be a dolphin.

 

[tiburonfirst]

"Neither do I, but that was the very first impression I got: too hot and too harsh. And impossible to fill. But that was early on. I'm glad they are making improvements."

i had the same impression to begin with but taking off the end cap and moving the filler cap up and using that as the end cap took care of that. i have not used anything else for the last week and i'm pretty impressed.
btw i do not have the ceramic version but should get to try them [401s] due to the kindness of banjoman.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Bringing a message from the dark side:

I've been doing a fair amount of playing with the E2 style cartomizers over the last couple of weeks.

I'll tell you straight up that the first batch that I received (2nd generation, plastic cup, KR808D-1) didn't really do all that much for me. They didn't wick all that well, burned "hot", were picky about what devices that they would work on, and had quality issues. I could see potential, but they "weren't there".

The next batch that I received were the 3rd generation or so. They went over to a ceramic coil pot, loosened the nichrome wrap on the wick, and made some other incremental changes. In this specific case, I went with the 510 XL versions.. which hold well in excess of 1ml.. probably closer to 2ml.

These are MUCH better. They wick "OK" and deliver good to great vapor. The specific units that I have are in the 2.8-2.8 Ohm range.. which is still a bit too low IMHO for this style. The web page shows that they are going to offer these in different resistance ratings.. up to 3.2 Ohms. Units in the 3.0-3.2 Ohm range will probably perform better.. but that is just speculation.

The ones that I currently have work pretty good on a 510 class battery running at 3.1V or so (effective). That means that they are good on the eGo/Tornado, Riva, stock 510 batteries and the like. I don't like them on my Bartleby or on Kanger (3.7V) batteries.

They are still a little finicky with respect to which battery they will work on. The center post will not make contact on everything that I own.

Anyway..... these are just my impressions. I think the "vector" on these units is good and if the trend continues I believe we'll have some very good cartomizers coming our way (either from these guys.. or knock-offs) in the near future. And of course.. there is no filler to burn/char/smolder on these units.

$.02. YMMV.

P.S. Filling is a PITA.

Wow I must have ESPN because that is the outcome I felt would be... I am REALLY happy that you tried them, because I sort of backed-off after take1 of these due to how the manufacture handled "biz" (that's just me though) anywho...

I am leaning on waiting for the "knock-offs" and when they are widely available before I make the plung of adding yet another "element/juice holding system" to my stash (I mean the ego cartos are almost to that point )

I was wondering if a "hybrid" would solve the leak/filling issues? maybe a carto where the element doesn't touch the filler?hmmm new idea? or an improvement of an old? anyway... thanks

 

[Scottbee]

I was wondering if a "hybrid" would solve the leak/filling issues? maybe a carto where the element doesn't touch the filler?hmmm new idea? or an improvement of an old? anyway... thanks

Like the GreenCig cartomizer?

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Like the GreenCig cartomizer?

of the sorts .. of course more reuse friendly....

one thought would be like a "popular" home made cartomizer where you would still have the filler but the element would be above it... sort of the e2 with filler

or an "encased attomizer" cartomizer where the element would be "protected" by
a quasi-bridge and metal mesh

I made one back in the day with a 306 atty and 801 cart parts...it was "temporary" but affective

take a gander.. the concept is what it's about

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cartomizer-501-306-hybrid-cartomizer-mod.html

EDIT: with the above mod,I would imagine a M401 sized atty would be best suited for more juice volume

 

[nicnac]

Thanks a lot, Nicnac. I agree with you on the SLB cartos. Exact same experience.

My (standard 2.7-2.9Ω) Boges should be here soon. I"ll report. But those 2.2Ω ones sound promising, too. And just about as low as I'm willing to go. I had no luck with any cartos at or below 2.0Ω. Now Nhaler just introduced those:

NEW 510 Mega Low Resistance Cartomizers

They do look like the Boges, don't they?

Those Nhaler cartos look exactly like the one I received from Provape.

I am still vaping the provape boge style carto. Something strange about this carto. I have measured the res numerous times and got 2.1Ω to 2.2Ω. But this carto does not get anywhere near as hot as any other 2.2Ω carto I have tried.
I only have one of these and can not make any conclusion on whether or not this is the characteristic of this particular unit or all.

The evolving world of cartomizers. I love it.

 

[Yankee802]

Just received my order of 401 E2 cartos from Kathleen Callaway, and these things taste NASTY! They are pre-filled, but have a very distinct nasty burn/metalic taste, like primer. I also think it's plastic holding the coil, not ceramic, but I don't realy know how to tell. I have an order comming from e-liquid planet of a bunch of pre-filled E2s, I am now worried they too will have primer in them and a similar nasty taste. I'm going to rinse one out with water, do a dry burn and hope for the best.

 

[Scottbee]

If the "filler cap" (the one that has the two small holes in it) is made of white plastic..then you have plastic coil pots as well. If the filler cap is translucent silicone.. then they should be ceramic pots.