Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[Katya]

Hi Katya! Waving hello!

Right back at ya, Zelda dear! I'm waiting for Revision 8!

. (note - I'm only using a 510xl battery as I'm still waiting for my eGo to arrive).

You're in for a treat! Enjoy!

Great advise. I did a my first fill yesterday and I was so used to using a syringe on a regular carto by going all the way to the bottom along the side between the filler and case and pulling up as I filled. I tried that with these GenJoyes and got an impressive puddle on my work surface. So no more than halfway should do it. I'm going to try just going deep enough to clear the opening and see how neat that is. No inner cap needed? I like that. Those things are tiny and a delicate touch is needed to get them back in place!

They are very delicate indeed. But if you treat them gently, they'll love you back.

Any chance of a summary update? Or are you all gonna make me read the last 65 pages??

Its about time to restock my 510's I have plenty of the Ce2's but standard 510 carto's are my "go to" when its gonna be hard to refill the others.

Glad you all are still at it. Thanks

For the eGo class batteries, you should try the new kid on the block, the Genuine Joye cartos from Cignot we've been discussing above, 2.7Ω (GP also carries them, as of today!)

As for the standard 510 cartos, I still recommend Tru-Vapor 510 (2.4Ω or less) cartos from Vapors Etc, even though they had some QC problems lately. Get a couple of boxes and see how they fare. The good ones are still the best, the bad ones will just die on you, but they are pretty inexpensive (vapezone coupon code).

I also like the Bauway 510 (2.5Ω) cartos from madvapes and the good old Boge (2.8-3.0Ω).

Good to see you! Yeah, we're still here. [Updating the chart in the master thread for easy reference.]

 

[zelda]

Right back at ya, Zelda dear! I'm waiting for Revision 8!





You're in for a treat! Enjoy!



They are very delicate indeed. But if you treat them gently, they'll love back.



For an eGo class batteries, you should try the new kid on the block, the Genuine Joye cartos from Cignot wewe've been discussing above.

As for the standard 510 cartos, I still recommend Tru-Vapor 510 (2.4Ω0 cartos from Vapors Etc, even though they had some QC problems as of lately. Get a couple of boxes and see how they fare. The good ones are still the best, the bad ones will just die on you, but they are pretty inexpensive (vapezone coupon code).

I also like the Bauway 510 (2.5Ω) cartos from MadVapes and the good old Boge (2.8-3.0Ω).

Good to see you! Yeah, we're still here. [Updating the chart in the master thread for easy reference.]

ROFLMAO! Revision 8 Ver. 1, Version 2.5 or Version 10 ?????

 

[Kent C]

On the E2:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...zer-technical-discussion-304.html#post1920808

I'm guessing 'E2 XL R3.5' - no hot glue, no filler, notched top silicon rubber and the primer taste I mentioned - I have one soaking in the vodka now... I have 7 of the standard size E2 R2 left and that's what I'm using on the Wetbox and it's 'perfect'. Those will last me quite a while. And I'll just wait for the best final version of the standard size in 510 and 2.5-2.6Ω. I really don't want to be filling these by any other manner than from the wetbox.

Finally cut open the original mega eGo carto. I used a dremel tool and that's going to generate some heat but the inside was fairly clean - some 'wavy spots' on the cart wall but no 'flow' from melting or holes, etc. The polyfil - I soaked it in 151 vodka and it came out clean white to grayish and there was a hard substance (not burnt) like a spot of glue or silicon that may have held it in place on the carto wall so it didn't compress or fall down. Otherwise looking much like the picture Scott posted of his way back when.

That carto lasted me 4 months! I never cleaned it but kept it soaked throughout - with the exception of the first three fills where I wanted to see how long you could get with one fillup - 5 hours on the first and then somewhere between 4 and 5 hours on the next two. After that I'd refill with the needle tip bottle when I'd detect a loss of flavor - good for around 2.5 hours. That said, again, still prefer the atomizers but I did cut the skirt off another carto And have that up and running now. Doing well, no leaks, etc.

And then I tried to cut the skirt from a mega eGo atty and I likely didn't have the right tools - the batt connection slipped out too easily. I have one done but that was in my friend's 'home machine shop' and that works fine. On the one today - while I had the dremel in a vice, I hand held the atomizer and you need more precision for that - that and the fact that the batt connection sits inside a silicon sheath at the batt end - it slipped right out and I may glue it later but likely not. I'll take another over to my friends..... or find an adapter.

And while I asked someone about an adapter they use (510 to 510) - no reply - I'm wondering if anyone else has used an adapter to use the mega eGo atty on a flush mounted mod? I'd prefer that. The TW's charger adapter is too long and I don't want to do a 510-901-510 thing That too would be too long.

 

[Katya]

Very nice summary. Thanks.

Some people (like doots) use 510>801 and 801>510 to connect to a flush mod.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-mega-ego-cartomizer-helo16.html#post1779617

Never done this myself, just repeating. Wizard does it differently; you may want to PM him. Works for the mega eGo carto, should work for the atty, no?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...received-dremeled-fit-5v-mod.html#post1606219

This is his weapon:

eGo charger adapter

EDIT: I knew there was another one:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cignot/114490-510-510-adapter.html

 

[Kent C]

Katya:Very nice summary. Thanks.

Welcome.

Some people (like doots) use 510>801 and 801>510 to connect to a flush mod. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-mega-ego-cartomizer-helo16.html#post1779617

That ends up longer than the adapter. Actually tried that and the adapter in a recessed Bart..... no go.

Never done this myself, just repeating. Wizard does it differently; you may want to PM him. Works for the mega eGo carto, should work for the atty, no?

No ;-) See this 'looks funny but works' comment. Some split the sides of the carto vertically, but it's plastic. Atty is metal.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...received-dremeled-fit-5v-mod.html#post1606219

This is his weapon:eGo charger adapter

EDIT: I knew there was another one:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cignot/114490-510-510-adapter.html[/QUOTE]

PM's the one that didn't reply. Now I know - thanks!

Made me think - I might just send an adapter to Jay (Bartleby) and see if he can recess a Bart that far. That or make a 510-510 adapter that's shorter.

 

[Quick1]

Kent, you need a pipe cutter. Plumbing department at home depot. About $10 for a good one (but you can use it again when you reshaft your golf clubs). Measure inside, mark outside, use pipe cutter. Results just like downtown. Thanks for the observations on the eGo. I'm thrilled (even more so since I've got 15 that should be here tomorrow).

 

[ImYourSalt]

Why do I have a feeling that this thing is going to kill my Riva?

Salt, how do you like your Buzz? I'm trying to figure out if I need a mod.

Sadly, I traded it recently. It had an 808d-1 threading, and I had just fallen in love with the TruVapor 510s so I traded it for some ego stuff. i miss it, and i am gonna be getting myself another one, that's for sure. i think every vaper should have one. its super light weight, fits wonderfully in my hands, is uber-protected, and performs flawlessy. I can hardly wait for v2.0!

but i am happy with my ego (though i wish a went for a RIVA insead). I just wasn't hardly ever using the BUZZ. It made it hard to justify the price tag.

 

[Kent C]

Quick1:Kent, you need a pipe cutter.

I haven't see the inside of the adapter - if that's what you mean. If you mean on the atty - have you done one like that? I think, see my above comments - that there can be a problem because it's not just one 'wall' going to the threads for the 'cone' (where a cone would screw on).

That would go better than the dremel though ;-)

 

[Quick1]

Well, I dremeled the skirts off the first 3 eGo's I got to try out. It was really ugly. wasn't straight, went to fast and sort of melted it instead of cutting it and then I got too high up and got into the barrel a bit... (I don't think the drunken stupor I was in after bowling had anything to do with it). With the next ones I'm planing to mic the depth to the threads on the inside of the skirt and mark on the outside before using my pipe cutter on it. It's going to look like a factory job .

I don't even have any idea of what those other things look like. But even with a double wall it shouldn't be a problem as long as they're concentric.

 

[Kent C]

Well, I dremeled the skirts off the first 3 eGo's I got to try out. It was really ugly. wasn't straight, went to fast and sort of melted it instead of cutting it and then I got too high up and got into the barrel a bit... (I don't think the drunken stupor I was in after bowling had anything to do with it). With the next ones I'm planing to mic the depth to the threads on the inside of the skirt and mark on the outside before using my pipe cutter on it. It's going to look like a factory job .

I don't even have any idea of what those other things look like. But even with a double wall it shouldn't be a problem as long as they're concentric.

It's a good plan. I'm assuming the work you did was on the cartos not the attys but it would work. One might have to solder the edge though.

 

[Quick1]

It's a good plan. I'm assuming the work you did was on the cartos not the attys but it would work. One might have to solder the edge though.

Correct. I've never seen the attys.

Amazon.com: General Tools 120G Tubing Cutter: Power & Hand Tools

 

[chrizzle]

OK, question for you all regarding the GenJoye cartos. I put my first one through its paces last night. Filled it up with 1ml and started vaping. Frequently. About 1 1/2 to 2 hours pass and it started tasting like it was dry. Seems like it dried up much quicker than a standard kr808 carto I usually use. Out of curiosity I weighed it compared to a full one. I weighed several full cartos and came up with around 4.6-4.8g. I weighed the one I just vaped and came up with 4.4g. Does that seem right? Based off the 1ml=1g calculation it should be much lighter than that. I don't expect it to be a full 1g lighter but lighter than 4.4g. Did I fill them incorrectly? Does the filler really trap that much juice? I inserted the needle no more than a quarter of the way in (maybe less) and injected with no (minimal) leakage out the battery end. I then waited a little while I filled the remaining cartos before I started vaping, so it should have had enough time to distribute properly. I don't get it.

 

[Katmar]

Okay, I've been out of commission for several months, and I know it will take WAY too long to read through this thread. What has been decided that the best kr808 carto is?? I am using Ben's from Vapornine, and, while I love them, I am not getting many refills. I truly appreciate any input. Good to "see" you all.

 

[tiburonfirst]

kat, there is now a sticky created by lu with some of the conclusions from our most active and diligent testers. check there first [blue winky]


here you go
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...read-just-facts-maam-no-chit-chat-please.html

 

[Katmar]

kat, there is now a sticky created by lu with some of the conclusions from our most active and diligent testers. check there first [blue winky]


here you go
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...read-just-facts-maam-no-chit-chat-please.html

Thanks, Tib, much appreciated!!!!

 

[Kent C]

OK, question for you all regarding the GenJoye cartos. I put my first one through its paces last night. Filled it up with 1ml and started vaping. Frequently. About 1 1/2 to 2 hours pass and it started tasting like it was dry. Seems like it dried up much quicker than a standard kr808 carto I usually use. Out of curiosity I weighed it compared to a full one. I weighed several full cartos and came up with around 4.6-4.8g. I weighed the one I just vaped and came up with 4.4g. Does that seem right? Based off the 1ml=1g calculation it should be much lighter than that. I don't expect it to be a full 1g lighter but lighter than 4.4g. Did I fill them incorrectly? Does the filler really trap that much juice? I inserted the needle no more than a quarter of the way in (maybe less) and injected with no (minimal) leakage out the battery end. I then waited a little while I filled the remaining cartos before I started vaping, so it should have had enough time to distribute properly. I don't get it.

Do you have an empty one? Weigh it, fill it up, weight it, vape it dry, weight it... that should give you better info....

 

[chrizzle]

Do you have an empty one? Weigh it, fill it up, weight it, vape it dry, weight it... that should give you better info....

Unfortunately I don't. I filled them all up. Maybe something to try after I get another order for these, but I'd be curious to see someone else's results as well. I was able to get a few more good hits off of that carto today. i guess it needed to rest a bit? Final weight after I was done was 4.3g. Assuming it was on the heavier side of that 4.6-4.8g before I started I vaped ~.5 ml. No way to know for sure unless I actually weighed it before and after filling and then again after vaping it dry. I think I saw these things take .7ml on a refill? Is that right? If so, then maybe I am not that far off.

 

[chrizzle]

Should have read Cozzicon's intial review thread again.

The Joye 510 Cartomizers hold about 9/10ths of a ml. Refill of the cartomisers is about .5 to .7 of a ml.

I've found a slightly more consistent vape with a 3/4 ml refill (which is a slight overfill), give it a minute to soak, then draw out the excess.

Seems like I can get a lot more juice in a standard carto, but these still taste and vape fantastic. Just may need to refill a little more. Nowhere near as much as a cart, though.

 

[Kent C]

Should have read Cozzicon's intial review thread again.




Seems like I can get a lot more juice in a standard carto, but these still taste and vape fantastic. Just may need to refill a little more. Nowhere near as much as a cart, though.

I know one thing from cutting them apart is that the coil sits right on top of the batt connector and then polyfil on top of that but not touching from what I could gather. So it is likely that the bottom part of the filler is being used more than the top and while you'll get some wicking down perhaps some ejuice is getting hung up high in the polyfil. Still... getting 1.5 to 2 hours from any carto is doing pretty well, imo. I've had KR8's 'newport' and most of the other menthols for some reason that didn't get much more than a half hour. And the vapor sucked although the flavor was good. Cognac and Caramel mocha frap. on the other hand would run well up to 3 hours sometimes with both vapor and flavor. It's the old ymmv thing. And it could be a variety of factors - I find prefilled cartos don't do as well as filling your own blanks. Some ejuices flow differently and some fillers vary in retention - not to mention that with the joye 510 the lower ohms will eat ejuice much faster than some 'regular cartos'....

 

[Kent C]

Correct. I've never seen the attys.

Amazon.com: General Tools 120G Tubing Cutter: Power & Hand Tools

Thanks. I think I'll go to Sears today