Burning flavor in CE3

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Mroutlaw

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I'm did your technique on blowing primer to the coil, and then dry burning it. also, this is 30+ drags into the CE3.
juice producing burn are 40/60 and 50/50 pg/vg, respectively. I might expect this with all vg, but im doing about half and half with both. On one it might be that the juice is not hitting the wick after a drag...?

Depending on where you get the juice, 50/50 can be very thick. Ive seen income from one comPany thick like sour cream and another like water.

Have you tried raising the center air post a little to expose the wicks more? You could also add a couple of drops of distilled water to the juice to thin it out,


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If it’s really thick you may have to thin it a tad or adjust the center tube slightly to make it flow better

I tend to judge thickness two ways:

1) When filling up the syringe, how hard is it to draw it into the syringe, if you let go of the plunger does it snap back hard? If so then the juice may be too thick.

2) Watch the bubbles rise after taking a vape, if it raises really really slowly to the top it’s thick (4 seconds), if it shoots up like in water it’s really thin (1 second), if it moves at a decent pace that’s about right (2-3 seconds).
I know these tests are subjective, but after a while you get the feel for things. It’s amazing how few drops of distilled water it takes to thin a juice. Done right it won’t impact the flavor.

This was extremely helpful, thank you for posting. My juices are all 70% VG and I have trouble with the CE3's giving a burned taste. I wasn't even able to use the needle when filling the syringe because there was too much resistance. I was taking the needle off to do it. As for the bubbles rising, it took a long time and I'd sometimes flick the CE3 with my finger to get them to move. So I took your advice and added a small amount of distilled water until the consistency seemed right and it's working great. :thumbs:
 

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This was extremely helpful, thank you for posting. My juices are all 70% VG and I have trouble with the CE3's giving a burned taste. I wasn't even able to use the needle when filling the syringe because there was too much resistance. I was taking the needle off to do it. As for the bubbles rising, it took a long time and I'd sometimes flick the CE3 with my finger to get them to move. So I took your advice and added a small amount of distilled water until the consistency seemed right and it's working great. :thumbs:
I'm glad that helped.

Sometimes it's more art than science, but eventually you get a feel for the right consistency.
It’s amazing how much of a difference just a couple of drops of distilled water can make.
 

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I've said this elsewhere, but clipping the wicks so they're flush with the outside of the wick holes really, really helps if you don't want to dial in the juice thinning, if you're having trouble raising the air tube (some of them seat loosely), and if you don't want to sand the bottom of the tube. I've been vaping Boba's and a few other pure VG juices with CE3's, and doing a side-by-side comparison with an unclipped CE3 (washed, dried, no primer) and a clipped one (same), you'll see a large bubble of air come out of the wick hole every few drags when it's clipped, and tiny little bubbles struggle to come out when it's not. Dry hits and burning galore on the unclipped, and nice, clean hits when clipped - so long as you give it a few seconds for the bubble to come out when it tries to. It's not a total vacuum in there - vape away some juice, the wicks pull more in, air flows in to replace the juice that left, and the level of vacuum stays right where it needs to be. The air bubble is formed right at the wick hole, and too much wick in the way means you can't get a bubble big enough and buoyant enough to overcome the viscosity of thick juice. Too much wick, smaller bubbles form and end up stuck in the wick, and then you've got too much vacuum in the juice reservoir - juice came out, but not enough air replaced it - and that extra vacuum holds the juice up. Clearing a tiny bit of wick away from the mouths of the holes helps. Less wick, bigger bubbles form in the bigger opening, there you go.

Now, raising the air tube does the same thing, and it works great when it works. But I've noticed that some of my air tubes seat tight, and some seat relatively loose. The looser ones can't be raised, because when you put the silicone gasket back on top of them the act of pushing the gasket down to seal pushes the air tube back down. In those cases, I've resorted to sanding the bottom of the air tube, but be warned: it's trial and error to get the right gap, and if you don't take it slow by sanding a tiny bit, testing, sanding some more, testing, etc etc - super tedious! - you'll likely ruin your first attempts by sanding too much away and there goes just enough vacuum to soak the top of your battery!

So that's why I've turned to clipping the wicks. Pop off the outer tube, "brush" the wicks as flat as you can with a flat jeweler's screwdriver so they're sticking out as far as they can naturally, and clip them flush with the outside of the wick hole with a nail clippers.

Just make sure you mark the CE3s you've modified for thick juice if you do this - you don't want to accidentally put a regular PG juice in there and have a mess on your hands.

So yeah, in my opinion, best solutions to try, in order:
  1. Thin your juice - kind of a pain to get right with a new juice, but once you know how thin it needs to be you can whip up a thinned batch.
  2. Raise the air tube if it doesn't seat too loosely
  3. Clip the wicks
  4. Sand the air tube

And this isn't even getting into the really thick VG - I've got some Red Oak Swiss Dark that I can't vape unless I thin it AND use it on a modified CE3.
 

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I'm glad that helped.

Sometimes it's more art than science, but eventually you get a feel for the right consistency.
It’s amazing how much of a difference just a couple of drops of distilled water can make.

DO you have a suggestion for a noob as far as how many drops of distilled water for 100% vg say for a ce3 1.5 ml? I know all juice is different consistency regardless of 100% vg or not. Just would like some type of starting point.
 
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DO you have a suggestion for a noob as far as how many drops of distilled water for 100% vg say for a ce3 1.5 ml? I know all juice is different consistency regardless of 100% vg or not. Just would like some type of starting point.
As you say, the thickness varries so much from vendor to vendor that there is no good answer to that.
100% VG Bobas is VERY thick, 100% VG Tennessee Cured from Johnson Creek is almost like water.

To start I judge by how hard it is to draw into the syringe. Once I can get it to slowly draw into the needle I fill a CE3 and take a couple of vapes and watch the bubbles to see the rate of rise. If it's still too thick, then I empty the CE3, add one or two drops and try again.

Just a couple of dropps really makes a BIG difference, so be careful not to thin it too much.

It sounds tedious, and until you get a feel for it it can take several fills of trial and error, but once you get a bottle to the right thickness it's set and you just vape and refil without worry. I tend to buy 30ml bottles so it lasts me a long time before I have to open a new bottle and thin that liquid again, and when I re-order I already know how much thinning it will require.
 
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Can you detail or make a vid on trimming the wick? I dont understand how you get the wick part out of the Plastic Tube.

I don't really have a decent webcam, but what you do is put the CE3 on a battery, hold the outer tube by the very bottom (the part that covers the atomizer/threads area and has the gasket), and slowly but firmly wiggle it until it starts coming off. Just be patient so you don't crack the tube. It comes off eventually, and you can do a thorough cleaning with the atomizer area exposed, trim the wicks, and put it back on.
 

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I don't really have a decent webcam, but what you do is put the CE3 on a battery, hold the outer tube by the very bottom (the part that covers the atomizer/threads area and has the gasket), and slowly but firmly wiggle it until it starts coming off. Just be patient so you don't crack the tube. It comes off eventually, and you can do a thorough cleaning with the atomizer area exposed, trim the wicks, and put it back on.

Any leaking problems after removing the outer barrel?
 

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None so far, that gasket seems to work nicely! Just be careful when taking the tube off and putting it back on so you don't deform or crack the tube or gasket and it should be good.

I have one that was producing a heavy popping and burning so I took it completely apart, at least down to the atomizer assembly anyway. I'll give it a good cleaning and reassemble it and give it another try just for laughs. Somehow I think the two packs I ordered may just last until the next version comes out, at least I can hope they will :)
 

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Well I went out and got some distilled water. Accidentally added several drops via a syringe and some clumsiness to a small bottle with about 1.5 for a ce3 refill. Wayyyyy too much lol. But it vapes now and doesnt burn, thats nice. Do you thin out your whole bottle this way or do it per refill? Also, weird affect it will have on your mouth if you add too much ( yes, im vaping my watered down dragons blood :\ ) theres no drying of the mouth...that or it makes you salivate alot.
 

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Well I went out and got some distilled water. Accidentally added several drops via a syringe and some clumsiness to a small bottle with about 1.5 for a ce3 refill. Wayyyyy too much lol. But it vapes now and doesnt burn, thats nice. Do you thin out your whole bottle this way or do it per refill? Also, weird affect it will have on your mouth if you add too much ( yes, im vaping my watered down dragons blood :\ ) theres no drying of the mouth...that or it makes you salivate alot.


I did the same. I am an all or nothing type guy.I added 10 drops to a 15 ml bottle and stuff is good. I added 15 drop to a 30ml bottle of cherry ice. Watered it down way too much. Think it is burning more. I stuck that bottle in some hot water and am now airing it. I read that airing removes some nic but am hoping some of the water evaporates. I did stick it on my new1300 x2 in a ce3. Man.. I went through half the tube in 10 minutes. So not sure if it is the 1300 or what. My tadte bud are dead at the moment but that vapor was hot!

Next time I,ll try a much much smaller amount.
 

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Well I went out and got some distilled water. Accidentally added several drops via a syringe and some clumsiness to a small bottle with about 1.5 for a ce3 refill. Wayyyyy too much lol. But it vapes now and doesnt burn, thats nice. Do you thin out your whole bottle this way or do it per refill? Also, weird affect it will have on your mouth if you add too much ( yes, im vaping my watered down dragons blood :\ ) theres no drying of the mouth...that or it makes you salivate alot.
I order 30ml bottles of my favorite liquids and smaller bottles of others so I have a lot of small bottles lying around. I pour the liquid into the smaller bottles and thin the bottle (this leaves me good juice if I screw it up). Just a few dropps has such a big impact that I find it too difficult to do it by each refil.

I'm not a DYI'er, so hopefully somebody that mixes juice can give more advice on this. I've read where a lot of people use vodka to thin as it is supposed to increase TH.
 
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I order 30ml bottles of my favorite liquids and smaller bottles of others so I have a lot of small bottles lying around. I pour the liquid into the smaller bottles and thin the bottle (this leaves me good juice if I screw it up). Just a few dropps has such a big impact that I find it too difficult to do it by each refil.

I'm not a DYI'er, so hopefully somebody that mixes juice can give more advice on this. I've read where a lot of people use vodka to thin as it is supposed to increase TH.

You can use grain alcohol
 

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You can use grain alcohol
I was thinking of trying that next. I went to the store today but could only find 40% Vodka. Not sure if that'll be good enough. I don't know if it's local code, but the liquor stores around here don't carry anything stronger.

What do you do if a juice is too thin? Add PG?
I find that my Johnson Creek Tenessee Cured (very thin) tends to flood the atomizer sometimes.
 

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None so far, that gasket seems to work nicely! Just be careful when taking the tube off and putting it back on so you don't deform or crack the tube or gasket and it should be good.

Well, I tried that today. Took it apart carefully, cleaned it thoroughly then put it back together very carefully.....leaked at both ends. Oh well, it tasted a little burnt as well so no real loss.
 

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Well, I tried that today. Took it apart carefully, cleaned it thoroughly then put it back together very carefully.....leaked at both ends. Oh well, it tasted a little burnt as well so no real loss.

That sucks! I've had really good luck with it, I've pulled the outer tube multiple times on 2 out of my 5 CE3s without any more or less leaking than the 3 I didn't mess with. I can't wait for the next batch that's supposedly less buggy, honestly my leaking problems seem random and inexplicable with these - I've had leaks on all 5 CE3s from time to time, but it's never consistent, changing from leaky to fine and back again on the same fill sometimes. Sometimes I'll go a whole day without a leak, sometimes I'll be wiping out the bottom end every hour or so.
 
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