Just throwing the out there. I have a provari and while it's great it hardly gets any use because I'm rarely home. I'm always out and this unit is not portable because it's big and heavy. I would never walk outside with this because it would look like I was sucking on a small flashlight lol
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I have both a BP and an IP. I really enjoy them both, but my favorite is the IP because it is slimmer. The battery life on them is awesome. They have 4 colors you can choose from, mine are purple 
... Mike from notcigs has awesome customer service. They make them in CA, and if you do have an issue w/your mod, those take priority over new orders. They get if fixed and back to you asap. I had to send my original buzz back as I broke it, I placed an order a couple of days later, and the order and my buzz came back together. Very fast service. I love the fact that I can just turn the wheel a lil and adjust my vape. For $10 less you can get a "blemished" tube. But w/the high standards that notcig sets the "blemishes" I have heard, are pretty minute. I ordered a IP and 2 sets of batts and my out the door was $120. that is w/charger and total of 3 sets of batts.
As far as tanks go, I have map tanks and big daddy vapor tanks. I love my bdv tank 5ml, and the customer service is very very good. They also have lil mama tanks which I think are 3ml. Those take carto's and come with or without pre punched carto's. My map tanks take ce2's and I like them alot also. Just depends on what you like...
Good luck w/your search and your purchase. For me it was the simplicity...
... Mike from notcigs has awesome customer service. They make them in CA, and if you do have an issue w/your mod, those take priority over new orders. They get if fixed and back to you asap. I had to send my original buzz back as I broke it, I placed an order a couple of days later, and the order and my buzz came back together. Very fast service. I love the fact that I can just turn the wheel a lil and adjust my vape. For $10 less you can get a "blemished" tube. But w/the high standards that notcig sets the "blemishes" I have heard, are pretty minute. I ordered a IP and 2 sets of batts and my out the door was $120. that is w/charger and total of 3 sets of batts.As far as tanks go, I have map tanks and big daddy vapor tanks. I love my bdv tank 5ml, and the customer service is very very good. They also have lil mama tanks which I think are 3ml. Those take carto's and come with or without pre punched carto's. My map tanks take ce2's and I like them alot also. Just depends on what you like...
Good luck w/your search and your purchase. For me it was the simplicity...
The Provari is a solid unit and works wonders. As long as you use higher ohm atty's/cartos then even 18490 battery will last you all day since it is not drawing as much amperage as the LR stuff. I take mine everywhere. I paid for it so I use it everywhere. I have dropped it 3 or 4 times and nothing ever goes wrong with it.
The only other PV that I am thinking of getting in the future would be the Darwin since VW is really the way to go as far as perfect vape. For now I will use the kick in my Omega when it comes available.
The only other PV that I am thinking of getting in the future would be the Darwin since VW is really the way to go as far as perfect vape. For now I will use the kick in my Omega when it comes available.
You really need to try the carto tanks with whatever you are using now, just to see if you like them. If you do then buy a vv tube mod. If you dont like the tank your next search will be looking for a vv evercool bottomfeeder which are very nice. You might consider a hybrid tube mod that seem to have the great QC you speak of. I hope this helps and good luck in your search for the perfect mod.
Intresting thread, thanks for all the info....
I am also looking at the VV mods, and the Darwin does apeal to me more then the others. But that sayd, I drive allot, and dripping does not go well with driving, the tanks with their cartos doesent cut it for me. So maybe a bottom fed VV mod box will be better for me...... or is their something els out here that I must look at???
I am also looking at the VV mods, and the Darwin does apeal to me more then the others. But that sayd, I drive allot, and dripping does not go well with driving, the tanks with their cartos doesent cut it for me. So maybe a bottom fed VV mod box will be better for me...... or is their something els out here that I must look at???
Heyas jlazarus,
Sorry it took me a while to get back to you. Anyways, yes, the ipro is a common nickname for an infinity pro. And bp is the buzz pro. Both from notcigs. You should stop by their forum here: Notcigs ,
You'll see that the guy who designs the notcigs mods, Mike aka "Buzzkill" reads the forums and posts pretty much daily. In fact, I recieved my ipro on a saturday, had a small issue with it and emailed him on a sunday morning, and actually had a reply with a fix a few hours later. On a sunday morning! You can't beat that kind of customer service.
Of the two, as others have stated, they have the exact same internal circuitry, and battery life seems comparable. Form factor is really the only practical difference. My personal preference is for the buzz pro. But, only because I like the way it fits in my hand better. And that will be different for everyone. Plus, with the bp being a woody, it holds a special place in my heart, so that might bias me a bit. The bp is definately my favorite pv all around. But, with the sale they have right now, the ipro kit is $110 to the $149 for the bp kit (I think). You could always order one of each, and you and the hubby could try both, and each have one to use. They really are both wonderful pv's, and neither of you would be the loser going that route
As for carto tanks, I do like and use them. For high end, there are some hand blown glass tanks available here Glass tanks - notcigs.com , and here Phiniac Glass . Probably other places also. Those are just the two I know of. I don't own either of those, btw, just thought they were cool and wanted to throw that out there
A carto tank is basically just a carto that has a hole punched or cut into it near the base, inserted into a plastic or glass tube and sealed with a grommet at each end. You fill the outer tube with juice, and it continually wicks into the carto filler through the hole. So, you get the vape of a carto, but can vape several ml of juice between refills, depending on the size of the tank. The carto tanks I have are the least expensive I've found so far, and they work just fine. I use the chibi tanks from Parkes Carto Tank Mods . They're 8 bux, and that's with a carto. You can buy pre punched or pre slotted cartos for use with the tanks, or (and I haven't tried this yet, but it's in my near future) you can go to home depot, etc. and buy a "saddle valve" for like 7 clams which can be used to easily punch your own cartos. So no extra cost on the cartos, and use whatever you like best.
If you like ce2 type cartos, you can also get tanks for them. I've heard very good things about the Arry ce2 tank found here Arry CE2 Tank - $29.99 : Stormys Vapor Cellar, Electronic Cigarettes & More or Parkes (once again) sells the Acorn tank for ce2's. The acorns are only like 10 or 12 buckazoids (I forget exactly), and seem to work as well as an unmodified ce2. Which for me means fan-freakin-tastic vaping (when it's not singing or leaking which is still most of the time for me
). I'm still behind the learning curve with ce2 type cartos, but in case you like them, thought I'd mention it.lol. I do love to talk vape gear
Maximillian the Courier Observant
p.s. I just couldn't resist posting a few pics of my bp here. Her name is Baby
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yes, this is turning into a good thread... OP you will get good summary here which will save you a lot of time as most of the threads (and there are tons) about the talked about pv's here are super long. They started before the unit in question came out, through beta testing, and first run and on and on. Folks here are pretty much giving really good info, and there's more details if you get into it a little more though.
To add to the summary, I'd start with saying that after fiddling with rebuildable attys (Genesis mostly), I'm not sure they are much better of a vape than some of the conventional attys/carto's, and I'm starting to think the two things they actually contribute are good flavor, and ability to be rebuilt cheap. (initial cost is high though, which makes me wonder). I haven't gotten into it enough to say for sure.
That said, imo carto tanks are a great deal: 1. great vapor and flavor 2. fairly easy 3. optimizes carto use because there's no burning filler, they keep wet in the tank 4. again best vapor production and good flavor. Just vaping carto's alone imo, aside from the health danger, is they don't taste as good as dripping but the tank solves that problem.
You haven't touched on bottom feeders, and that's another story but for those that love notcigs Pro series, the VVPV is coming out this month (i hope and pray without delay). It is a "Top Feeder" and I did a beta review on it in the noticigs subforum. It will be the only regulated VV powered top feeder on the market; pure dripping pleasure vaping. It will cost more due to production factors; about $170.
Lots of good things to say about it, one of which is the double 14500 batt design will last a lot longer than the Buzz Pro which is my main complaint.
The Provari came out with complaints about batt time too even with 18650, but they offer a 2500 mah batt now.
Aside from everything else, I use a 2.5 or 3.0 Ohm Fusion carto in a Pyrex tube tank on my Provari, and wow is all i got to say.
To add to the summary, I'd start with saying that after fiddling with rebuildable attys (Genesis mostly), I'm not sure they are much better of a vape than some of the conventional attys/carto's, and I'm starting to think the two things they actually contribute are good flavor, and ability to be rebuilt cheap. (initial cost is high though, which makes me wonder). I haven't gotten into it enough to say for sure.
That said, imo carto tanks are a great deal: 1. great vapor and flavor 2. fairly easy 3. optimizes carto use because there's no burning filler, they keep wet in the tank 4. again best vapor production and good flavor. Just vaping carto's alone imo, aside from the health danger, is they don't taste as good as dripping but the tank solves that problem.
You haven't touched on bottom feeders, and that's another story but for those that love notcigs Pro series, the VVPV is coming out this month (i hope and pray without delay). It is a "Top Feeder" and I did a beta review on it in the noticigs subforum. It will be the only regulated VV powered top feeder on the market; pure dripping pleasure vaping. It will cost more due to production factors; about $170.
Lots of good things to say about it, one of which is the double 14500 batt design will last a lot longer than the Buzz Pro which is my main complaint.
The Provari came out with complaints about batt time too even with 18650, but they offer a 2500 mah batt now.
Aside from everything else, I use a 2.5 or 3.0 Ohm Fusion carto in a Pyrex tube tank on my Provari, and wow is all i got to say.
Regarding your juice supply.
Well, if you're looking at a bottom-feeder, consider a REO. If you wait, they'll be coming out with variable-voltage. First the Woodville and then the REO Grand. The REO Grand is metal and more durable. But if you like the look of a nice wood mod, you might consider either model. Mike from Notcigs (makers of the Infinity Pro and Buzz Pro) is helping with the electronic design.
There are still options for keeping a good supply of juice handy with your PV.
There's the Vape Mate from Super T Manufacturing which hangs a 3 ml bottle from your PV. You squonk the bottle similar to working a bottom-feeder.
There's the Mad Vapes Drip On Demand Kit. It's a cheap, weird, tree-thing that suspends a bottle over your PV and draws the juice in by suction. You still have to occassionally squonk the bottle, but not as much as you would with a Vape Mate. You also want to make sure the grooves aren't cut too deep to kill the juice suction. Depending on your PV, you may need a sealed mini 510 extender to make the device suction properly.
There are MAP tanks, CE2 guts moved to a polycarbonate tank. The only thing about MAP tanks is that you don't want to leave them on their side where they'll leak. They do a good job of keeping the taste of your juice alive in a tank.
I like the Riva-T tank atomizers. They're similar to a CE2 and hold about 2 ml of juice. I also like the rubber whistle tip on the end of them. They screw on to the outside eGo threads, so you'd need a 510->eGo adapter. You would need a syringe or needle cap bottle to fill them; just like a CE2 or MAP tank.
Then there's the mega cartomizers like the Echo-E. They hold about 2.5 ml of juice.
Finally, and this may prove more useful for the Darwin, there's a device called the Gooseneck. It was intended to go between your PV and your atomizer and enable you to angle your atomizer like a sippy straw. That setup works better for driving. But, it's also useful on a Darwin to enable you to shut off the PV without removing your big tank, etc. It also helps juice from running straight down the PV because that design doesn't include a catch cup.
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I am looking at some vv mods now too. I like the Provari, but Reo is coming out with a vv bottomfeeder soon and I think it will be awesome! You really can't go wrong, I think, with any of the choices you have. The Lavatube is the only one that is not as well known regarding QC. Good luck!
+1 on the Provari. I finally bit the bullet and ordered one recently, and I was not disappointed in the least. I've read some posts about problems people have had with them, but they only had glowing things to say about Provape's customer service. That being said, I do think they are extremely reliable and the incidence of units malfunctioning is extremely low. I've dropped mine a couple times on a hardwood floor, no problem. Plus, I use the bottom of it to crack open beers. If I could go back in time, I would have skipped over all my other mods and gone straight to the Provari. Money well spent.
For reference, I usually use dual coil cartos in a carto tank. I punch my own cartos as well. Just hold the sucker down on some carpet and bang a hole in it with a hammer and a finishing nail. Takes a little practice, but definitely easier than the hassle of trying to find pre-punched cartos in the size/ohm I want, plus you can control the size of the hole, depending on the thickness of the juice you want to vape.
Happy vaping!
For reference, I usually use dual coil cartos in a carto tank. I punch my own cartos as well. Just hold the sucker down on some carpet and bang a hole in it with a hammer and a finishing nail. Takes a little practice, but definitely easier than the hassle of trying to find pre-punched cartos in the size/ohm I want, plus you can control the size of the hole, depending on the thickness of the juice you want to vape.
Happy vaping!
Fabulous thread - thanks for all your thoughts and input!!
Thanks for the heads up on the coupon code!!! Never used anything but 510 stuff....808s are more durable?
Ooohhh....I think I like the purple as well. It is crazy that I want multiples of them, lol? Like, purple, chrome and wood. Yeah, I want 3 to go with what I'm wearing/feeling.I have both a BP and an IP. I really enjoy them both, but my favorite is the IP because it is slimmer. The battery life on them is awesome. They have 4 colors you can choose from, mine are purple
Huh? Oh no, another one to consider? ;-) How is the Darwin a better vape? VW = ??? Variable ...wattage?
Oooh.....smart idea! You are so right. And what's a hybrid tube mod?
I soooo want a wood finished PV!
I like the way you think - Perfect Idea!You and the hubby could try both, and each have one to use. They really are both wonderful pv's, and neither of you would be the loser going that route
$8? Wow....well, heck yeah, I'll buy some. Even if I *didn't* like them, that's a great price to practice on something!
CE2 sounds like something I'd like, but I've read so much about having to fiddle with them...I think I need low frustration components for the moment until I'm less "green" ;-)If you like ce2 type cartos, you can also get tanks for them. I've heard very good things about the Arry ce2 tank found here Arry CE2 Tank - $29.99 : Stormys Vapor Cellar, Electronic Cigarettes & More or Parkes (once again) sells the Acorn tank for ce2's. The acorns are only like 10 or 12 buckazoids (I forget exactly), and seem to work as well as an unmodified ce2. Which for me means fan-freakin-tastic vaping (when it's not singing or leaking which is still most of the time for me
PRETTY!! I like!p.s. I just couldn't resist posting a few pics of my bp here. Her name is Baby
Health Danger.....yeah, I LOVE vaping on my cartos, but have worried about that filler....I take it this is a common concern? And you are saying that using a tank mitigates the concern because the filler stays wet? I do wonder if, even with a wet filler, do we still inhale tiny, microscopic pieces of polyfill threads? I've tried dripping, and so many people say that tastes better than cartos - but my mileage differs. a) I don't get good throat hit with dripping, b) I feel like I have to drip like every 4 drags, c) attys taste horrible to me! Seriously, I must be doing it wrong because I truly think my juices *taste* better in my dual coil LR cartos. Now, I realize those the LR affects the juice, but I assumed it should *decrease* juice flavor but I've found that it's the opposite - seems to *increase* my flavor....Also, I have an LR atty and that literally has very little vapor and almost no flavor - but my LR cartos have great vapor and great flavor.
I've watched vid after vid and read everything I could because, well, I WANT to like dripping because of my concerns with cartos - but I just can't get a good, consistent vaping experience with dripping
Last, but not least, I have a few health concerns about attys as well: After 3-4 hits, when the atty starts running out of juice, my vapor production suddenly INCREASES, but it's more akin to actual "smoke" and the atty tastes like I'm smoking an electronic. It seems to go from one decent hit to almost burnt in 1 drag. Now, it's not really burnt (I found out what THAT tastes like the hard way) but still....something is not totally kosher either....Hmm...What is a Pyrex tube tank? And, re: Bottom Feeders - I've looked at the REO mini and if I could get happy with dripping on an atty I think I'd like that one!!
So, are these tanks with some type of modified carto with filler? Intrigued...but confused....
Same question - "tank atomizers"? Hybid between atomizer and carto and tank? Holds juice, no filler, and atty all built in one? Am I understanding correctly? I'll have to go look these up! ;-)
Oh, boy... my hubby calls me Schleprock 'cause I am always falling/scraping/breaking things, etc, lol...(I'm actually in a cast on hand right now, so forgive the lack of well-thought/typed responses as I peck on keyboard)...so the LAST thing I should do is get out a hammer and start whacking cartos, lol!!! But maybe HE can!! ;-) Thanks for the tip!
808 vs 510 is just a personal preference thing. The 808 connector is wider, coarser thread, just strikes me as a bit cleaner to use compared to the narrow, fine pitch, 510. Most of the time I use an adapter, with an 801 connector carto in a tank, but I do clean things a couple times a day and prefer to be working with the larger connectors.
I use a dremel rotary tool, slot my cartos rather than punch. Both ways work fine, again it comes down to preference. I'm a klutz, dremel is easier to get consistent good results for me.
I use a dremel rotary tool, slot my cartos rather than punch. Both ways work fine, again it comes down to preference. I'm a klutz, dremel is easier to get consistent good results for me.
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If you're looking at going the dripping route - I highly recommend picking up a drip shield. The main issue with dripping is finding that "sweet spot" between not dripping too much (flooding the atomizer and having juice leak out the bottom) and not dripping enough (getting dry/burnt hits and possibly ruining your atomizer). By picking up a drip shield you can overdrip without worrying about getting juice everywhere. On top of that, the extra juice you drip gets sucked back up into the atomizer so not as much gets wasted. You can pick these up from empiremods, nhaler, avidvaper, and a couple of other sites. They range anywhere from 8 - 13$ typically. It sounds to me like you're big on your mods looks, and a lot of them offer different colors, and the empiremods ones are ridiculously cool looking (but pricier).
Another thing you can look at is trying to pick up a DCA 306 from goodsensevapor - although they are currently out of stock a lot (and they sell out within hours when stock goes back up). I believe they are due to have some more in this Friday. The DCA 306 is a "drip cup adapter" for 306 atomizers - its a very similar concept to a drip shield. I have two and love mine.
Anyway - best of luck in your search for a VV mod. There are a ton of good tips in this thread, and I can say as a Provari and a Darwin owner that they are very high quality mods with great customer service. I don't own a notcigs device yet - but plan on purchasing one in the very near future.
Another thing you can look at is trying to pick up a DCA 306 from goodsensevapor - although they are currently out of stock a lot (and they sell out within hours when stock goes back up). I believe they are due to have some more in this Friday. The DCA 306 is a "drip cup adapter" for 306 atomizers - its a very similar concept to a drip shield. I have two and love mine.
Anyway - best of luck in your search for a VV mod. There are a ton of good tips in this thread, and I can say as a Provari and a Darwin owner that they are very high quality mods with great customer service. I don't own a notcigs device yet - but plan on purchasing one in the very near future.
MAP tanks do not have a filler. Riva-T tanks are kind of similar to MAP tanks. They both function like cartomizers; i.e. combining the function of atomizer and cartridge.
Health Danger.....yeah, I LOVE vaping on my cartos, but have worried about that filler....I take it this is a common concern? And you are saying that using a tank mitigates the concern because the filler stays wet? I do wonder if, even with a wet filler, do we still inhale tiny, microscopic pieces of polyfill threads? I've tried dripping, and so many people say that tastes better than cartos - but my mileage differs. a) I don't get good throat hit with dripping, b) I feel like I have to drip like every 4 drags, c) attys taste horrible to me! Seriously, I must be doing it wrong because I truly think my juices *taste* better in my dual coil LR cartos. Now, I realize those the LR affects the juice, but I assumed it should *decrease* juice flavor but I've found that it's the opposite - seems to *increase* my flavor....Also, I have an LR atty and that literally has very little vapor and almost no flavor - but my LR cartos have great vapor and great flavor.
I've watched vid after vid and read everything I could because, well, I WANT to like dripping because of my concerns with cartos - but I just can't get a good, consistent vaping experience with dripping
Hmm...What is a Pyrex tube tank? And, re: Bottom Feeders - I've looked at the REO mini and if I could get happy with dripping on an atty I think I'd like that one!!
Dripping is an art....haha. It actually is because it takes time and experience to get it down. I gave it up and went to bottom feeders as soon as the came out and kept at that for a few months (until the Provari came out), and you're right; unless you know how to drip, you are dealing with pretty much the same issues that dripping brings up.
IMO dripping is the original way of vaping. Coil/bridge/wick; an atomizer on a battery connector, add e juice = vaping. haha.
Anyway when the Provari came out and btw it set the bar as the first regulated VV and still is considered the best by many, the idea is that no matter what atty you use, you get the best possible vape from it because: a) regulated to boost the power from the batt and no matter the batt is discharging, it provides consistant voltage b) whatever voltage that you set it at.
The Vari (Buzz Pro, Darwin, etc) is used with cartos and tanks and whatever but the basic nuts and bolts of vaping are about balancing the voltage (or watts) to the resistance of the atomizer. You play with the variable voltage until you find the sweet spot of that atty.
Nevertheless, VV or not, it still takes experience to drip right every time. Don't fret. Just go to cartos or tanks or whatever but always go back to working on that dripping learning curve; it only gets better. Stick with what works and consider dripping a "work in progress". ( and you will probably love a tank )
-Pyrex is like glass; hand blown, and the juice slides down fast and doesn't get hung up in the d/t so hardly any comes up into your mouth; just vapor.
Most d/t's have that problem, but not Pyrex.
I gave up on bottom feeders but now there is a VV Reo coming out. (don't forget we are talking regulated (boosted) power VV) and there are some others.
And the VVPV from notcigs is a TOP FEED = just like dripping; on top. YES! not needing to "drip" drip, but you just push the plunger and get a couple drops onto the atty.
* the key to dripping is a) voltage (or watts which i don't understand well) to resistance (Ohms). Like i.e. you don't vape a LR 1.5 atty with 6volts.
b) How much to drip: too much juice is worse than too little; at least you will get vapor. But be careful, too little will burn out the atomizer.
If you can get one (or two) good vapes with dripping, you can see what we mean; then you just keep at it, eliminating the bade vapes as you experiment, until most of the vapes are great.
- Juice is a factor too; more PG = more flavor. More VG = more vapor. Try a 50/50 blend since they're both important.
I know it's been said many times, but I just needed to get my vote in here.
+1 on the Provari. This thing is built like a rock. I was so surprised at how hefty it was when I took it out of the box, I was honestly giddy because I knew at that point that it was money WELL spent. My cousin has a Lavatube, and it's great, but I sometimes feel like it might give out if he drops it enough times. The Provari feels like you can drop it and hit it with a hammer and it will still work like a boss.
I was told that I wouldn't be disappointed with a Provari by the people on this forum, and now I must pass that bit of confirmation on to you. Good luck with whatever you get, all the mods you're looking at are great. I only hear praise about the notcigs mods, and plan on getting a buzz pro sometime (after my sweet-vapes gripper ofcourse).
+1 on the Provari. This thing is built like a rock. I was so surprised at how hefty it was when I took it out of the box, I was honestly giddy because I knew at that point that it was money WELL spent. My cousin has a Lavatube, and it's great, but I sometimes feel like it might give out if he drops it enough times. The Provari feels like you can drop it and hit it with a hammer and it will still work like a boss.
I was told that I wouldn't be disappointed with a Provari by the people on this forum, and now I must pass that bit of confirmation on to you. Good luck with whatever you get, all the mods you're looking at are great. I only hear praise about the notcigs mods, and plan on getting a buzz pro sometime (after my sweet-vapes gripper ofcourse).
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