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After smoking 50 years, I really don't care. It can't be as bad as what I have already put in my body over the years.
Plus living forever is for fools, unless you like seeing your personal freedoms disappear....
I'm ready for the death camps.
remember, food will soon be dead old people. laughs....

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Soylent Gray, huh??
Needs some garlic and onion, but I eat enough hot sauce you won't need any extra with me....:lol:
 

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people in my area are liking the ipv mini 30 watt but I saw where they have just come out w/the 70 watt version. both are single 18650 so probably good for higher ohm devices but for subohm forget it.

I have also heard of several cases of people smoking the Cloupors but not remembering why they smoked. I believe some people put the batteries in backwards...?

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Ha Ha! gotta love the Philosoraptor :laugh:

The smoke stories started coming out the day that I ordered the Cloupor Mini. Fortunately, it appears that they've been narrowing down the problem, tracing it to a bad IC in one production run--not mine. I'll still keep an eye on it, but I never leave my devices on, always remove the battery when not in use, and prefer to charge my removable batteries in a dedicated charger rather than through USB, so [fingers-crossed]. Other than the fear factor, I rather like the device. It's slightly larger than an iStick and fits in my larger hands a bit better. The thing also is as solid as a brick--like the MVP--so it's fairly rugged. For a $30-ish device, I'm pretty pleased with it.
 

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Of those here that do DIY... what are your thoughts on diacetyl and acetoin?

Personally, I try to avoid them. I have a few flavors here that have them in there and I tend to look for a replacement for those. Most popped up with the testing after I bought them. I don't do lung hits and after the major dilution in the base, I doubt I would have much risk but son does major lung hits and would rather play it on the safe side if possible. They are still fine for cooking and flavoring coffee so they don't go to waste. So what is your thinking on all of this???
I am on the fence about these...I know there is some in some of the juice I vape...but compared to what I used to put in my body it doesn't matter so much.....on the other hand I do want to be as healthy as I can be....but in this world where everything had something "bad" in it...it's impossible not to ever have anything pure.....

Thank you PB for the contest....and although I don't chat much in the regular thread..I do follow along....
"GO HAWKS"...........
 

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What I've always wondered on the accuracy of the mods is if they are truly measuring the complete circuit of just the resistance of the coil. As corrosion or arcing on the switch contacts, a drop of juice on a battery contact, the 510 connections - threads and pin all can contribute vary small resistances to the circuit. With a 0.2Ω coil it doesn't take much other contributions to become 1/2 the resistance in the circuit.

You would have to breadboard a few mods and introduce known resistances at suspected points in the circuit and see what the mod reports as the result. With a 2.0Ω coil an extra tenth of an ohm would never be noticed, with sub-ohm it becomes much more of an issue.

No, I'm not tearing apart my mods to breadboard them..:p....well, there is one I might try, stay tuned....:laugh:

indeed you would have to breadboard the mod w/its exact componants to do an exact testing but I would think you could do a comparative test w/other componants and use e liquid as a test liquid at various points in the circuit to mock up a situation, am sure you can get very similar switches etc. and of course use the standard vape batteries for a source, with all that said I dont think the time and undertaking would be worth the effort.

Indeed like you said a 10% difference at 2 ohms is miniscule compared to 10% at .2 but still a final result of .18 - .22 wouldnt bother me as far as safety goes. I would think juice spillage etc would cause an Ohms increase rather that an increase as I am of the belief that juice is not a very good conductor of electricity.

I would be more worried with a skinned battery in a mech mod than anything else, a skinned battery in a reg. box mod in a plastic battery sled wouldnt bother me at all. just me Ha Ha!

Great conversation Topic though. Thanks! :)
 

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The smoke stories started coming out the day that I ordered the Cloupor Mini. Fortunately, it appears that they've been narrowing down the problem, tracing it to a bad IC in one production run--not mine. I'll still keep an eye on it, but I never leave my devices on, always remove the battery when not in use, and prefer to charge my removable batteries in a dedicated charger rather than through USB, so [fingers-crossed]. Other than the fear factor, I rather like the device. It's slightly larger than an iStick and fits in my larger hands a bit better. The thing also is as solid as a brick--like the MVP--so it's fairly rugged. For a $30-ish device, I'm pretty pleased with it.

Indeed I believe you have this correct and yea, I too would use a dedicated charger as well. love it when there are smart users like you out there. i have encountered so many that just have no clue about these things! :)
 

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I am on the fence about these...I know there is some in some of the juice I vape...but compared to what I used to put in my body it doesn't matter so much.....on the other hand I do want to be as healthy as I can be....but in this world where everything had something "bad" in it...it's impossible not to ever have anything pure.....

Thank you PB for the contest....and although I don't chat much in the regular thread..I do follow along....
"GO HAWKS"...........

Fog has just lifted, streets are getting busier, seahawks are soggy, patriots pretty wet. getting ready to bar the door and stay in the rest of the day! Ha Ha!
 

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Fog has just lifted, streets are getting busier, seahawks are soggy, patriots pretty wet. getting ready to bar the door and stay in the rest of the day! Ha Ha!
I remember when the Superbowl was here in San Diego. I needed a new hard drive on the morning of Superbowl Sunday and knew that I needed to go early in the day, as my favorite shop was two exits away from the stadium. The Denver Broncos were staying in a hotel down the road from me and their bus pulled out just before I got there. Police were clearing the streets and running traffic breaks to allow the bus through, so I just slipped in behind them and followed the escort to the store. :)
 

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Blue and Tick... I know. I will choose to avoid when possible but to me it is more important to keep as much away from my son as I can. For me, even if it says .1% whatever I will take note of it... most of the juices I vape are under 2% total flavoring and the highest for right now is 8% but none have the bad stuff that I know of... I use flavors that I am not sure have been tested or they did and choose not to share... I like a lot of the Hangsen and Inawera flavors and just dunno. I don't do juices that use 3 or 4 flavors and each of them has something I am trying to avoid but if just a small amount in one of them, then I don't worry too much. I do think that ejuice makers should have to list it on their products and then let the consumer decide. It also tells me that the makers know their products and just aren't whipping something up to make a few fast bucks.

There was one juice I really liked. Asked the vendor if it had diacetyl... he got all defensive and told me you can't make custard without it. I told him that there were at least 2 custard flavorings I knew of without it and he chose not to believe me. I chose to not buy from him again. Son vapes perhaps 45 ml of custard a week so that is where my concern lies.
 

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Blue and Tick... I know. I will choose to avoid when possible but to me it is more important to keep as much away from my son as I can. For me, even if it says .1% whatever I will take note of it... most of the juices I vape are under 2% total flavoring and the highest for right now is 8% but none have the bad stuff that I know of... I use flavors that I am not sure have been tested or they did and choose not to share... I like a lot of the Hangsen and Inawera flavors and just dunno. I don't do juices that use 3 or 4 flavors and each of them has something I am trying to avoid but if just a small amount in one of them, then I don't worry too much. I do think that ejuice makers should have to list it on their products and then let the consumer decide. It also tells me that the makers know their products and just aren't whipping something up to make a few fast bucks.

There was one juice I really liked. Asked the vendor if it had diacetyl... he got all defensive and told me you can't make custard without it. I told him that there were at least 2 custard flavorings I knew of without it and he chose not to believe me. I chose to not buy from him again. Son vapes perhaps 45 ml of custard a week so that is where my concern lies.

Oh Joan, I had to laugh.

Think of the kids, while looking over should at 40 year old son.
Ok, my 40 year old son is in Cali so not really.
 

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Of those here that do DIY... what are your thoughts on diacetyl and acetoin?

Personally, I try to avoid them. I have a few flavors here that have them in there and I tend to look for a replacement for those. Most popped up with the testing after I bought them. I don't do lung hits and after the major dilution in the base, I doubt I would have much risk but son does major lung hits and would rather play it on the safe side if possible. They are still fine for cooking and flavoring coffee so they don't go to waste. So what is your thinking on all of this???

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The way i see it,alot of people dont realize it,but cigarettes contain diacetyl as well as all the other stuff,so i have already been inhaling it for the over 25 years that i smoked.Also,when testing has been done on various flavors,the amounts of those bad ingredients were small parts per million,i dont remember the exact numbers,but small,then when you figure how small of an amount of that flavor you put into your juice,then it gets diluted down more with the pg/vg that by the time it's done,your down to a fraction of a percent of what those tests showed,we are talking very minute amounts.I completey understand people who have concerns,but personally i have to many other things to worry about haha.
 

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The smoke stories started coming out the day that I ordered the Cloupor Mini. Fortunately, it appears that they've been narrowing down the problem, tracing it to a bad IC in one production run--not mine. I'll still keep an eye on it, but I never leave my devices on, always remove the battery when not in use, and prefer to charge my removable batteries in a dedicated charger rather than through USB, so [fingers-crossed]. Other than the fear factor, I rather like the device. It's slightly larger than an iStick and fits in my larger hands a bit better. The thing also is as solid as a brick--like the MVP--so it's fairly rugged. For a $30-ish device, I'm pretty pleased with it.
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I started reading some of those problems,and found that cloupor issued a notice on how to test these to see if it's a bad one.You put an atomizer on it,and hold the fire button for 15 seconds which will trigger the safety shutoff,then look to see if the screen is giving the too hot messege.If it does,contact them for replacement.Your's is probably good though,they said it was a small batch that had the problem.Only probalem with that,is i didn't see that it was fixed at first,so instead of ordering the cloupor,i decided on a ipv mini,but now that i've seen they figured out and will replace if the problem comes up,i think i'll go ahead and buy one anyway.I guess thats a good excuse to get both haha,since i really like my regular sized cloupor box.
 

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I started reading some of those problems,and found that cloupor issued a notice on how to test these to see if it's a bad one.You put an atomizer on it,and hold the fire button for 15 seconds which will trigger the safety shutoff,then look to see if the screen is giving the too hot messege.If it does,contact them for replacement.Your's is probably good though,they said it was a small batch that had the problem.Only probalem with that,is i didn't see that it was fixed at first,so instead of ordering the cloupor,i decided on a ipv mini,but now that i've seen they figured out and will replace if the problem comes up,i think i'll go ahead and buy one anyway.I guess thats a good excuse to get both haha,since i really like my regular sized cloupor box.

You are correct. The bad batch appears to have been limited to those with serial numbers beginning in 0002. Mine is 0005, but I tested it anyway. I was really on the fence between the IPV Mini and the Cloupor Mini--the Cloupor won because I found one for ten dollars less than the IPV Mini (since then, the IPV Mini v2 came out, so now I have that to consider... :ohmy:). I think my biggest complaint with the Cloupor Mini is the size of the fire button--I would have liked it to be a little larger, but it's a small complaint. A spring-loaded 510 would have been nice, too, but I can live with it just being adjustable.
 

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Does anybody know of any downside to using the rba head instead of premade coils on the kanger subtank mini?

Not being in possession of one, my opinion isn't worth much, but from what I've heard, there really isn't except that you will need to make the coil yourself (although the premade coils can supposedly be easily rebuilt). On the original subtank, using the rba portion meant losing 1.5 ml of capacity as well as the hassle of changing the top cap, but I think they fixed that with the Mini.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could confirm or deny?
 

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b.m. and Tick... yeah, I know. Haha, my son isn't 40 yet but I want him in decent health to care for me in my dotage.

I have other stuffs to worry about too but this is just what moms do... or at least this one. Inhaled about 40 yrs here but still, if I can get it a juice just as good without it as I can with.. then I will go without.

Just like radon... sure I have been exposed over my lifetime. I guess it tends to hover about 3 ft or so which puts it at about waist level for me. Just because I am tall and don't go to the basement level of the house often doesn't mean that I don't want to know about it and do something if need be. I had this house tested before I bought it. The realtors here had never heard of it and thought I was crazy... til the test came back. If you know, you can do something about it. We had mitigation done and stick out a test kit every so often and no problems. I believe that many cases of lung cancer are caused by radon but that cigs got blamed, even in those that never smoked a day in their life... even those that claimed 2nd hand may have been exposed to radon. Joe Paterno is one and so was my mother in law. Who can say??? In some states, you have to have homes tested before they can be sold... I think VA is one of those
 

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Yes, the Subtank and the Subtank mini both come with a rebuildable base. The nano doesn't. :)

edit: yeah, you can build the coil at whatever ohms you want. It should work on your "P word thingy". :D
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Sorry to offend you all lol. I don't own a p thing
 
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You are correct. The bad batch appears to have been limited to those with serial numbers beginning in 0002. Mine is 0005, but I tested it anyway. I was really on the fence between the IPV Mini and the Cloupor Mini--the Cloupor won because I found one for ten dollars less than the IPV Mini (since then, the IPV Mini v2 came out, so now I have that to consider... :ohmy:). I think my biggest complaint with the Cloupor Mini is the size of the fire button--I would have liked it to be a little larger, but it's a small complaint. A spring-loaded 510 would have been nice, too, but I can live with it just being adjustable.

That's about the only complaint i have with my standard cloupor is the 510 pin.I have the adjustable on this one,and usually it isn't a problem,every once in a while if i take a tank off then screw it back on,the screw will get turned down and not make contact.Like i said it doesn't happen very often,but it has done it a few times.What i have done though,since some tanks have a little different length of 510,is to raise that screw just a bit higher than needed,and it seems to make contact with all of the tanks that i have.

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b.m. and Tick... yeah, I know. Haha, my son isn't 40 yet but I want him in decent health to care for me in my dotage.

I have other stuffs to worry about too but this is just what moms do... or at least this one. Inhaled about 40 yrs here but still, if I can get it a juice just as good without it as I can with.. then I will go without.

Just like radon... sure I have been exposed over my lifetime. I guess it tends to hover about 3 ft or so which puts it at about waist level for me. Just because I am tall and don't go to the basement level of the house often doesn't mean that I don't want to know about it and do something if need be. I had this house tested before I bought it. The realtors here had never heard of it and thought I was crazy... til the test came back. If you know, you can do something about it. We had mitigation done and stick out a test kit every so often and no problems. I believe that many cases of lung cancer are caused by radon but that cigs got blamed, even in those that never smoked a day in their life... even those that claimed 2nd hand may have been exposed to radon. Joe Paterno is one and so was my mother in law. Who can say??? In some states, you have to have homes tested before they can be sold... I think VA is one of those

I completly understand your concern,i was only speaking of my take on it.Just so you know though,most of the big flavor producers have stopped using diacetyl at all in their products,although it will still turn up in trace amounts as one of the other ingredients forms some of it,but they are not actually adding the diacetyl into the mix anymore,most have switched over to other safer ingredients.
 

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I remember when the Superbowl was here in San Diego. I needed a new hard drive on the morning of Superbowl Sunday and knew that I needed to go early in the day, as my favorite shop was two exits away from the stadium. The Denver Broncos were staying in a hotel down the road from me and their bus pulled out just before I got there. Police were clearing the streets and running traffic breaks to allow the bus through, so I just slipped in behind them and followed the escort to the store. :)

Ha Ha! yea, we went out to the store a little while ago, saw samuel L jackson standing on a street corner, my wife said how do you know its him I said because I know what he looks like, then a car pulled up and a ldy got out and they started taking pictures, lady got back in the car, light turned green and off they went Ha Ha!
 

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Blue and Tick... I know. I will choose to avoid when possible but to me it is more important to keep as much away from my son as I can. For me, even if it says .1% whatever I will take note of it... most of the juices I vape are under 2% total flavoring and the highest for right now is 8% but none have the bad stuff that I know of... I use flavors that I am not sure have been tested or they did and choose not to share... I like a lot of the Hangsen and Inawera flavors and just dunno. I don't do juices that use 3 or 4 flavors and each of them has something I am trying to avoid but if just a small amount in one of them, then I don't worry too much. I do think that ejuice makers should have to list it on their products and then let the consumer decide. It also tells me that the makers know their products and just aren't whipping something up to make a few fast bucks.

There was one juice I really liked. Asked the vendor if it had diacetyl... he got all defensive and told me you can't make custard without it. I told him that there were at least 2 custard flavorings I knew of without it and he chose not to believe me. I chose to not buy from him again. Son vapes perhaps 45 ml of custard a week so that is where my concern lies.

I like the Cap. V2 Vanilla custard, vaping at the very least 100ml a week of recipies w/it. I like my custard clean and tasty Ha Ha!
 

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Does anybody know of any downside to using the rba head instead of premade coils on the kanger subtank mini?

only downside I can think of, if you can call it one is you are limited to either .5 ohms or 1.2 ohms and you have to buy them verses building your own at whatever ohms you want and the choice of wicking... :)
 
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