Cal NORML now urging CA legislators to oppose SB 648

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Bill Godshall

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Politics makes strange bedfellows. While some words in the following press release are forbidden on ECF, it is critically important to know that Cal NORML is now opposing SB 648. Sen. Ellen Corbett is a supporter of Cal NORML, and was just made aware (by Cal NORML's director) this week that her bill would also ban the use of pot vaporizers by medical pot patients in workplaces and public places throughout CA (and Cal NORML urged Corbett to oppose/defeat her own bill).

Most/all of Cal NORML supporters in the CA Assembly (and CA Senate) are liberal Democrats, and those are the voices and votes we need to defeat SB 648 (as liberal Dems control the CA Assembly). Interestingly, Corbett is now running for US Congress, and she doesn't want Cal NORML to oppose her election.


Cal NORML Release July 16, 2013

CA Bill Against E-Cigarettes Harmful to Consumer Health;
SB 648 Would Restrict Use of Vaporizers by Prop 215 Patients

SACRAMENTO - The California legislature is considering a bill that would ban the use of e-cigarettes and similar smokeless vaporizers in areas where tobacco smoking is banned (SB 648 - Sen. Corbett).

California NORML is urging the Assembly to reject SB 648 on the grounds that vaporizers offer a proven, beneficial "harm reduction" substitute for medical ......... users by reducing exposure to harmful smoke toxins while at the same time posing no second-hand smoke hazard to the public.

Though SB 648 was approved by the State Senate as a bill against tobacco e-cigarettes, it would adversely impact use of vaporizers by medical ......... patents. Current state law (HSC 110945 b) defines e-cigarettes as "device that can provide an inhalable dose of nicotine by delivering a vaporized solution.” This includes a wide range of vaporization devices now widely used for medical ......... and other herbs, as well as tobacco and nicotine.

Vaporizers are designed to eliminate the respiratory hazards of smoking by eliminating the combustion that produces the smoke. Regular pipes and cigarettes produce carcinogenic tars, particulates and other smoke toxins that are a byproduct of burning leaves. Vaporizers don’t produce these toxins because they don’t burn anything, but rather evaporate an underlying solution or preparation of nicotine, ........, etc. at much lower temperatures.

Laboratory studies sponsored by California NORML have shown that vaporizers can effectively eliminate carcinogenic tars, benzene, naphthalene, toluene, and other respiratory toxins from inhaled .........: (http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/ Second-Study-Shows -Vaporizers-Drastically-Reduce-Toxins-in-.........-Smoke).

A study by California’s Center for Medicinal ........ Research found that vaporizers are an effective alternative delivery system to smoking for medical ......... users (Dr. Donald Abrams, “Vaporization as a ‘Smokeless’ ........ Delivery System,” www.cmcr.ucsd.edu). Vaporizers have since become standard in medical ........ research and are widely used by patients in places where smoking is banned.

SB 648 would place vaporizers under the same stringent restrictions as tobacco cigarettes, banning their use in public buildings, restaurants, workplaces, hotel lobbies, playgrounds, within 20 feet of exit doors, etc.

There is no evidence that vaporizers pose an appreciable second-hand smoking risk to the public. Users are known to vaporize in elevators and crowded rooms without any detectable odor or adverse notice. Bystanders are routinely exposed to worse emissions from kitchens, grills, garden plants, buses, chimneys, detergents, room deodorizers, gas stations, etc.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against SB 648, arguing that the state needs to wait for better science on e-cigarettes.

In a letter to the Assembly, California NORML warns that SB 648 would adversely impact public health by discouraging safer alternatives to smoking. “Medical ........ users already find it difficult to find a legal place to medicate under current anti-smoking laws,” says California NORML Director Dale Gieringer, “Precluding the use of vaporizers will only make matters worse. The state should encourage, not discourage, the substitution of vaporizers and e-cigarettes for smoking.”

The Assembly Governmental Operations Committee is scheduled to consider SB 648 on Aug. 7th. Comments should be addressed to: <Members | Committee on Governmental Organization>

Full text of SB 648 : <http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_0601-0650/sb_648_bill_20130422_amended_sen_v98.html>
 
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I've been thinking more about this...

1. Liberal democrats bow to the medical ......... Lobby and squash the bill.

Or

2. Liberal democrats in an attempt to not offend the medical ......... Lobby, edit the language of the bill to make it specifically target either cig-a-likes, or nicotine... Both if which create huge loopholes for us to walk through

Sent from my mobile, using Tapatalk... so ignore the typos. ;)
 

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It appears that this could be a step toward getting more (moderate) Democrats on board with the harm reduction plan for smokeless tobacco, since they already seem to understand the concepts for the other medical substance. If we can get the moderates of both major parties to focus on the similarities between the two, then perhaps both causes can benefit and sensible legislation can be enacted.

Nah, that won't happen. I almost forgot what decade this is and the fact that we're not allowed to have any sensible discussion across party lines for something as inconsequential as public health.
 

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"Laboratory studies sponsored by California NORML have shown that vaporizers can effectively eliminate carcinogenic tars, benzene, naphthalene, toluene, and other respiratory toxins from inhaled .........: (http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/ Second-Study-Shows -Vaporizers-Drastically-Reduce-Toxins-in-.........-Smoke)."

The link says "forbidden server" :(
 

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You can access website at California NORML | Dedicated to reforming California's ......... laws!

The posting opposing SB 648 is at
http://www.canorml.org/news/CA_Bill_Against_E_Cigarettes_Harmful_to_Consumer_Health

Below is letter CalNORML sent:


July 16, 2013
Chairman Isidore Hall
Assembly Committee on Governmental Organization
State Capitol
Sacramento CA 95814

Dear Chairman Hall:

We are writing in opposition to SB 648 (Corbett), which would subject smokeless e-cigarettes to the same second-hand smoking restrictions as tobacco cigarettes. SB 648 would wrongly restrict vaporization devices that offer proven harm reduction benefits to medical ......... patients and other smokers while posing no second-hand smoking hazard to the public.

SB 648 would presumably define e-cigarettes in accordance with HSC 110945(b) as “device that can provide an inhalable dose of nicotine by delivering a vaporized solution” (Section 1 of the bill erroneously defines them under HSC 110405(b) instead, rendering the bill in its current form unintelligible since that section doesn’t define anything). The standard definition subsumes a broad range of devices that are widely used to vaporize ......... and other medicinal herbs as well as nicotine.

Vaporization is a technology designed to avoid the respiratory hazards of smoking by eliminating the combustion that produces the smoke. Standard pipes and cigarettes produce carcinogenic smoke tars and particulates in the process of combusting leafy ingredients. E-cigarettes and vaporizers don’t produce smoke because they don’t burn anything, but rather evaporate an underlying solution or preparation of nicotine, ........, etc. at lower temperatures. Laboratory studies have shown that vaporizers effectively eliminate harmful smoke toxins, thereby drastically reducing respiratory risks to users. The effectiveness of vaporizers has been validated in research by California’s Center for Medicinal ........ Research , and they have since become standard in human medical studies. Vaporizers are of special value to medical users in the ever-growing number of settings where smoking is prohibited by law. SB 648 would therefore adversely impact public health by discouraging the use of vaporizers as a harm reduction substitute for smoking.

There is no reason to believe that second-hand exposure to vaporizers or e-cigarettes poses any public health hazard. Studies to this effect are non-existent. The fumes from e-cigarettes and vaporizers are negligible. I have witnessed them being used in crowded elevators, restaurants, and no-smoking facilities without anyone smelling or noticing anything. Bystanders are routinely exposed to worse emissions from grills, kitchens, buses, chimneys, detergents, room deodorizers, gas stations etc.

In sum, SB 648 is misconceived as well as mis-drafted. There is no scientific basis for treating e-cigarettes under anti-smoking laws. If landlords wish to restrict use of vaporizers on their property, they are free to do so, but this should not be required by state law. We urge the legislature to protect consumers’ access to smokeless vaporizers by rejecting SB 648.


Sincerely,

Dale Gieringer, Ph.D.
Director, California NORML
Co-author, Prop. 215
 
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It appears that this could be a step toward getting more (moderate) Democrats on board with the harm reduction plan for smokeless tobacco, since they already seem to understand the concepts for the other medical substance. If we can get the moderates of both major parties to focus on the similarities between the two, then perhaps both causes can benefit and sensible legislation can be enacted.

Nah, that won't happen. I almost forgot what decade this is and the fact that we're not allowed to have any sensible discussion across party lines for something as inconsequential as public health.

Actually, the case of Corbett is interesting, if the rumors that she wants to run for the House are true. Due to California's "open primary" system, she is likely to end up running against a Blue-Dog Democrat in the election. That district ran 2 Dems last election.

I don't like the guy she'd run against, and IIRC I thought that he and NORML don't get along, but since I'd be willing to campaign for Satan^H^H^H^H^HCheney against Corbett (PAINFUL for a liberal Dem like me!) I think vapers in that district (and their friends?) might be able to have a LOT of fun there if we're willing to get paper cuts and foot blisters. Someone should ask him where he stands wrt vaping, and if he's with us, let's stuff envelopes and walk precincts for him!
 

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I just spoke to Dale Gieringer, the head of California NORML, and they are going to remain against this bill due to the impracticability and almost impossibility of determining whether someone is using an e-cigarette containing nicotine, no nicotine, or substance that shall not be spoken.

IMPORTANT EDIT: The new bill does not only include nicotine. It simply uses the definition of e-cigarette used back when California banned e-cigarette sales to minors, and that definition would include vaping any substance.

So SB 648 would still ban 'no nicotine' e-cigarettes in public.
 
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