California has fallen

[sofarsogood]

I found a news report that says in 90 days no new vaping products can be sold in the US. So if a new mod or atomizer or flavor was designed after 90 days from yesterday it might be illegal to sell in the US? Does it mean US Customs will have to examine ecigarette mail order shipments and try to figure out if they are new products and confiscate them? Sounds complicated.

If these rules aren't implimented at the border it will start to hurt vape shops as consumers go to off shore mail order to get the newest products. Existing flavor companies and manufacturers with products on the market already might benefit from these first restrictions in the next couple of years. There would be no new e liquid or hardware companies formed and manufactures would have less pressure from new product introductions. Perhaps we will see increased new product introductions in the next 90 days to beat the deadline?

The Dark Side has aimed their planet busting weapon but say they won't shoot for 90 days? That should create an interesting US vape market.

 

[Katya]

In the meantime, this just landed in my Inbox:

N E W R E G U L A T I O N S

eJuices.com is aware of the new FDA and State of California regulations. In an effort to remain compliant, we would like to highlight an important regulation update. Please note, effective June 9th, 2016 the legal vaping age in the State of California will increase to 21 years of age. This new regulation will require all who purchase eliquid in the State of California to be at least 21 years of age. While it is our desire to maintain the highest level of quality customer service, we feel it is important to also highlight that there WILL NOT be any additional regulation changes at this time. eJuices.com will continue to provide you with the most convenient and affordable way to purchase all of your favorite eliquid brands. Thank you to all of our loyal customers - past, present and future.

 

[Ca Ike]

And do What?

Try to get your Reps to push for No Age Restrictions on Nicotine? Or to Oppose something like CRP? There are some things that are Just Not Winnable in Todays Society/Political System.

What your saying here is don't bother at all. Just roll over and take it up the ... and prey you at least get the consideration of lube.

Frankly my ... already hurts from all the bend over and take it ....ing we've been given by these treasonous .......s.

 

[zoiDman]

You want to Write Your Reps and tell them that You Think that Selling e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids to Teens and Children should be Allowed, go Right Ahead.

Please Post how that works out for You.

 

[CarolT]

You want to Write Your Reps and tell them that You Think that Selling e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids to Teens and Children should be Allowed, go Right Ahead.

Please Post how that works out for You.

If it's all right to sell nicotine patches and gum to teenagers, why not.

 

[zoiDman]

If it's all right to sell nicotine patches and gum to teenagers, why not.

Some believe that Teens who use an e-Cigarette are More Likely to Smoke. And that the Intake of Nicotine into a Developing Body can cause Harm. Not to mention the Habitual Inhalation of Flavorings, Sweeteners and Colourants.

 

[zoiDman]

Some believe that Teens who use an e-Cigarette are More Likely to Smoke. And that the Intake of Nicotine into a Developing Body can cause Harm. Not to mention the Habitual Inhalation of Flavorings, Sweeteners and Colourants.

BTW - It's Funny, when we are Talking about Adult use, few believe that e-Cigarette use is Completely Harmless. But when the conversation Shifts to Teens and Children using e-Cigarettes, it is Rarely Mentioned.

 

[Lessifer]

BTW - It's Funny, when we are Talking about Adult use, few believe that e-Cigarette use is Completely Harmless. But when the conversation Shifts to Teens and Children using e-Cigarettes, it is Rarely Mentioned.

I don't believe that anything is Completely Harmless. I do believe that e-cigs are relatively harmless, about the same level as being outside in a city, or drinking most municipal tap water, probably less harmful than drinking an popular energy drink when considering overall health.

E-cig use leading to cigarette use hasn't been proven, in fact the data suggests the opposite. Nicotine has never been shown to cause developmental issues with human adolsecents(that's why those as young as 12 can use, even if they can't buy, NRT). The only questionable one would be the flavors, and there is no data either way in that case.

 

[zoiDman]

I don't believe that anything is Completely Harmless. I do believe that e-cigs are relatively harmless, about the same level as being outside in a city, or drinking most municipal tap water, probably less harmful than drinking an popular energy drink when considering overall health.

E-cig use leading to cigarette use hasn't been proven, in fact the data suggests the opposite. Nicotine has never been shown to cause developmental issues with human adolsecents(that's why those as young as 12 can use, even if they can't buy, NRT). The only questionable one would be the flavors, and there is no data either way in that case.

Lessifer, You and I have had Many In-Depth Debates on this subject. An in the course of those Debates, in some ways, you have Seen that there is some Merit in My Position. Just as I have done the Same with your Position.

So I Don't want you to take this the Wrong Way.

But Today, with Vapers Literally Fighting for their very Existence, I Don't think it is a good time to Reenergize this discussing of Teens and Children Buying/Using e-Cigarettes.

I am More than Happy to Express My Opposition with California raising the Age Limit above the Adult Age limit to buy Tobacco and e-Cigarettes. But I see it as Counter Productive to have the Search Engines Crawling a thread like this Pulling Text from people's posts Out of Context.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Some believe that Teens who use an e-Cigarette are More Likely to Smoke.

At $10 a pack? LOL! You should listen to some of the Cigar folks ranting about this same theory. Seems the FDA is mighty worried about the kiddies lining up for those $20 stogies as well.

But what the hell do I know these days... I live in a cave.

 

[zoiDman]

At $10 a pack? LOL! You should listen to some of the Cigar folks ranting about this same theory. Seems the FDA is mighty worried about the kiddies lining up for those $20 stogies as well.

But what the hell do I know these days... I live in a cave.

It's a Shame we Can't Enjoin the Cigar Crowd with some of our Fights. But I guess that they do Not See us as a Big Asset. And they seem to be Able to achieve the type of "Crave-Outs" that they desire.

 

[mcclintock]

It's possible that a bad compromise will lose too much and yet disarm us by seeming "reasonable" to too many vapers. That would be worse than allowing events to unfold.

Personally, I'm not in a compromising mood right now, which this news only set off... I'd like to not only see these vaping regulations reformed, I want to see the whole government reformed, I want to see them GO DOWN. I think these regulations are a great example of what is wrong, it's unfortunate vaping will probably always be seen as too trivial (and unpopular) a matter to mobilize the general public against the entire system.

As the government is not acting in good faith, they should be opposed on every item.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

It's a Shame we Can't Enjoin the Cigar Crowd with some of our Fights. But I guess that they do Not See us as a Big Asset.

Strange bed fellows that would make indeed. Considering they see us as the reason for their new FDA woes. (Mostly the 200 watt steam blowers anyway).

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

It's possible that a bad compromise will lose too much and yet disarm us by seeming "reasonable" to too many vapers. That would be worse than allowing events to unfold.

Comprise implies some kind of negotiation stage. I'm afraid that boat has sailed.

If anything, we're at the whimsical mercy of a single judge at this point which may come well after damage has been done.

 

[zoiDman]

Strange bed fellows that would make indeed. Considering they see us as the reason for their new FDA woes. (Mostly the 200 watt steam blowers anyway).

I dunno.

The intent of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was to Close some of the Loopholes and Conflicting Policies/Authorities that the FDA was dealing with regarding Combustible Tobacco.

e-Cigarettes weren't even on the Congressional Radar when Obama sign it into Law.

In a way, e-Cigarettes got Caught in the all this like a Fat Finger in a Fan Belt with Judge Leon's Decision. And whereas e-Cigarettes have Must Definitely stolen the Spotlight away from Combustible Tobaccos, it wasn't e-Cigarettes that Started or Caused it.

Just Incredibly Bad Timing in a Way.

 

[zoiDman]

Comprise implies some kind of negotiation stage. I'm afraid that boat has sailed.

If anything, we're at the whimsical mercy of a single judge at this point which may come well after damage has been done.

Congress can Stop just about Anything the FDA Does or Wants to Do. It's just does Congress really Want to Stop it?

 

[Lessifer]

I'm not bringing up that we should fight the age restrictions. I'm just pointing out that we shouldn't be spreading and reinforcing the lies.

When you regurgitate science that was proven false, it's a lie. Even if the idea is a popular one.

 

[nicnik]

Hummm? Isn't the MSA amounts Based on the Number of Cigarettes sold in a State?

If so, then Raising the Age to buy them to 21 seems Kinda Bass Ackwards. Seems like you would Want to sell those Smokes to as Many People as Possible.

It was done in order to raise the age for vaping.

 

[zoiDman]

It was done in order to raise the age for vaping.

I have people propose this. And I'm not Say'n that More than One Bird could be Killed with a Single Stone.

I guess then what a State would want to do then is to Increase the Tax on "Tobacco Products" to Offset the Deferential Lose of Taxes for those in the 18 ~ 21 Age Group.

 

[nicnik]

I have people propose this. And I'm not Say'n that More than One Bird could be Killed with a Single Stone.

There are partial alliances and competitions within a bigger alliance. Something like that. BT and BP battled that one out, and BP won, resulting in wounding BT. Adults 18 to 20 years old are the collateral damage, of course.

Not that I really know, just pretending I do.