Called out in staff newsletter...

[R1080]

Hey all,

My employer just put this out today. There are only two of us who use vaporizers in the building and both of us use the VAMO. There has been nothing but great response from everyone that I have encountered while using the vaporizer and a ton of encouragement for staing off the analogs, and then this. I/We only use them when we are alone, in the back office areas and around each other. We are not using them in the lobby, elevators, hallways...the only place that I have used it around others has been in our employee lounge (Which is HUGE) and only after asking the people around me if it was ok. Just putting it out there to see what you all think.

I have reecieved authorization to share this information... I have altered it to remove the company name.

IMPORTANT: MY EMPLOYERS'S tobacco Free Workplace policy applies to all tobacco products, which include but are not limited to, smoking (e.g. cigarettes, pipes, cigars, etc.) and/or using smokeless tobacco (e.g. snuff, chew, dip, e-cigarettes, etc.). The only designated smoking area is outdoors at each of the branches; the location is distant to the main entry way. These products should not be used in the work environment.

 

[obsidianchao]

That's pretty bull.....

But, to be fair, they do have a business to run. It's a shame. Some people don't understand.

 

[Caridwen]

I'd print out some of the CASAA pamphlets as well as some testimonials. Make an appointment with the boss or whomever is responsible for the newsletter and plead your case. Tell them that you and many others were able to stop smoking using pvs. See if you can reach some sort of compromise.

 

[twiggums]

Do juices actually contain tobacco? If not maybe point out that the policy lumps them in with tobacco products which is inaccurate. Don't start a war with them, as they'll obviously win every time.

 

[R1080]

I am not going to say anything... I will abide by the rules they have and receive my paycheck. I have proof that I have been more productive since I quit taking smoke breaks, but I guess I will just go back to doing less for the same pay as I step away to have my smoke breaks again... well my vape breaks outside.

Caridwen... funny thing is the president was one of the first persons that saw me and was so supportive (Ex-smoker) and I was asked to use my vaporizer by my Vice president while at a manager's meeting just that the rest of the managers could smell it because she liked the way it smelled...

There was amother thread not too long ago which I paid little mind to, but now I understand why it was such a big deal to the poster... CAN WE STOP CALLING THEM E-CIGARRETTES?????? They are not tobacco and should not be classified as tobacco product... Smokeless tobacco...

 

[candik]

I hear your frustration, but... if Florida is anything like New Jersey, e-cigs fall in the same category as regular cigarettes due to legislation, not necessarily workplace policy. E-cig usage is allowed only in designated areas allowed for tobacco usage. Crazy right? But it's the law. Although my employer has no problem with my vaping as long as I'm discrete, if I were to be found indulging inside, I would be subject to a fine per the law. Could be your employer is just covering their bases or maybe someone complained about it. Either way, sorry..

 

[crxess]

I refuse to accept a Single Extracted, Purified Component - Nicotine - as using Tobacco products. Nicotine is in many plants, though commonly extracted from High yield Crops.
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Education not confrontation is needed. In the mean time You must comply until change is made to protect your job.

Consider composing a letter expressing your concerns being forced to be exposed to second hand smoke.

 

[BostonVape]

honestly, i would keep doing it lol.

just stealth vape now

 

[the_vape_nerd]

I am not going to say anything... I will abide by the rules they have and receive my paycheck. I have proof that I have been more productive since I quit taking smoke breaks, but I guess I will just go back to doing less for the same pay as I step away to have my smoke breaks again... well my vape breaks outside.

Caridwen... funny thing is the president was one of the first persons that saw me and was so supportive (Ex-smoker) and I was asked to use my vaporizer by my Vice president while at a manager's meeting just that the rest of the managers could smell it because she liked the way it smelled...

There was amother thread not too long ago which I paid little mind to, but now I understand why it was such a big deal to the poster... CAN WE STOP CALLING THEM E-CIGARRETTES?????? They are not tobacco and should not be classified as tobacco product... Smokeless tobacco...

Even if you called it a PV, they still wouldn't let you use it. The e-cig label is necessary for a whole bunch of reasons. No matter what you call it, it still resembles smoking to the outside world. Label changes mean nothing.

 

[BostonVape]

I'd print out some of the CASAA pamphlets as well as some testimonials. Make an appointment with the boss or whomever is responsible for the newsletter and plead your case. Tell them that you and many others were able to stop smoking using pvs. See if you can reach some sort of compromise.

I agree.. if no one says anything, nothing will get done.

Companies should be ENCOURAGING e-cigs for becoming healthier workers.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Sadly, in most instances, all it takes is one complaint from one disgruntled miserable coworker to upset the apple cart. In this regard Management has no choice but to resolve the "issue". I would imagine a major fear is word getting back to their insurance company as we all know they love to up our rates for the smallest of reasons.

 

[crxess]

The thing that saddens me is these Workplace occurrences are almost always the result of ONE single minded individual that has decided Vaping IS SMOKING and therefor a VIOLATION of the law. They secretly complain to or even threaten suit to HR or Management and the Rule enforcers Fold without even studying available facts. They just assume it is easier to comply with the wishes of one than protect the decisions of another.

 

[thehoss]

That really sucks :/ But yeah you work for them so I would abide by their rules honestly. or vape incognito

 

[candik]

The thing that saddens me is these Workplace occurrences are almost always the result of ONE single minded individual that has decided Vaping IS SMOKING and therefor a VIOLATION of the law. They secretly complain to or even threaten suit to HR or Management and the Rule enforcers Fold without even studying available facts. They just assume it is easier to comply with the wishes of one than protect the decisions of another.

I agree but in some states, vaping IS regulated under the same legal guidelines as smoking is. That is why it is so important to get involved and be supportive of organizations like CASAA.

 

[Dannyboy5691]

I'd gather as much information as I could and make a proffessional presentation to the head(s) of the company. Not to fight for the right to vape in the workplace, but to make others aware of the FACTS. I'd contact CASAA and get as much information as I could and have them help me prepare this presentation.

You probably won't get a reversal, but you will make them much more knowledgeable about vaping, and you might convert a few smokers along the way. Good luck

 

[Dj tank]

I get where companies that ban ecigs come from. Some ejuices can stink up the office, and if the air movement isn't good - and you have a few vapers in there - the fog can get pretty bad. And lets not forget that some people do have allergies to PG. While I love vaping, I also respect that my fellow coworkers may not like the smell, etc... I'll take it outside...

 

[BostonVape]

The thing that saddens me is these Workplace occurrences are almost always the result of ONE single minded individual that has decided Vaping IS SMOKING and therefor a VIOLATION of the law. They secretly complain to or even threaten suit to HR or Management and the Rule enforcers Fold without even studying available facts. They just assume it is easier to comply with the wishes of one than protect the decisions of another.

exactly, and these individuals who complain are usually the same ones who have a flask of alcohol in their desk for 15 min breaks

 

[uba egar320]

To me, letting other staff know that you were vaping inside was your first mistake. Hide it...enjoy it...stick it to the man.

 

[AttyPops]

Well, if you don't mind losing your job (at will employeer?)

You could always vape ZERO NIC juice inside. Just make sure you have the bottle with a readable label that says zero nic. It's not a tobacco product then...by FDA, court, or any other standards.

They'll turn around and make a PG rule. Then you vape VG.
So then they make a VG rule. Then.....you're screwed.

And they seem to object to the device. So you could talk to a modder about LED based flashlights with an extra atty connector....

Or suck it up. Vape outside.

 

[SilverBear]

... or vape incognito ...

...and get caught
...and then get fired AFTER THEY MADE THEIR POINT CLEAR

Do you feel lucky?