There's some ......... at your work who doesn't have the balls to say anything to you...
But has more than enough balls to screw you over.
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But has more than enough balls to screw you over.
Yeah, some businesses just hate the very idea of e cigs. When I purchased my first ecig, I worked for Wal-mart. I was told I wasn't allowed to vape indoors, and I asked to see the company policy, and they did. Forced me to vape outside. But here's the kicker: Wal-mart's corporate policy is to congratulate all people who are using visible patches, nicotine gum, or e cigarettes on attempting to quit "real tobacco" (this policy may have changed; it's been well over a year since I last worked there).
Sad thing is in FL they can. They can fire you for any reason at any time.
For anyone that accepts the idea that people should be able to make up random rules to satisfy the puritans...
You're going to get exactly what you deserve in the end, and you're not going to like it.
You're going to get exactly what you deserve in the end, and you're not going to like it.
It doesn't matter whether I accept it or not. There's lots of things that I would change if I could. Unfortunately, in the situations where you are told not to vape, if you had a better job offer, you would have taken it before the conversation ever happened.
On the other side of that coin, however, I've only ever seen policies in effect when there are customers that can be offended. If it's just coworkers, and someone doesn't like it, they usually have to bite the bullet.
The bottom line is, if your employer says you can't, then you can't. Plain and simple. They have the right to control THEIR workplace as they see fit. No different then having a dress code. If you don't like it, search for a pro-vaping job. Maybe at a vape shop. The feeling of entitlement these days is astounding. I don't however agree with government trying to dictate what I do on MY property.
That being said, I vape at work and around co-workers. If my boss came to me because someone decide to run to her instead of ask me directly to stop, I would stop. I would stop and take just as many vape breaks as others take coffee or smoke breaks. Of course if I ever found out who it was, I would make sure to complain about their perfume or cologne or smell of their coffee. If they came to me directly as an adult and asked if I would stop, I would and that would be the end of it. I have no problem respecting other peoples wishes as long as they respect me.
That being said, I vape at work and around co-workers. If my boss came to me because someone decide to run to her instead of ask me directly to stop, I would stop. I would stop and take just as many vape breaks as others take coffee or smoke breaks. Of course if I ever found out who it was, I would make sure to complain about their perfume or cologne or smell of their coffee. If they came to me directly as an adult and asked if I would stop, I would and that would be the end of it. I have no problem respecting other peoples wishes as long as they respect me.
I didn't say you shouldn't accept the decision, because you might very well have no reasonable alternative.
I was saying that nobody should accept the idea that actions like this are reasonable.
Yes they could, they would just say "It doesn't fit with our corporate image" "Doesn't promote a professional atmosphere in the workplace" etc and tell you to stop or add it to the site rules.
At the end of the day, you work for the employer, their site, their rules. If you don't like it, start your own business.
Not true at all. I had a boss that didn't care if I smoked. Smoking at my bench increased productivity. The new owner was an ANTZ. He didn't want me to smoke but I brought up the productivity issue and the security risk issue of going outside. I was allowed to smoke.
When we moved to a new building that didn't stink we worked it out so I smoked by the ventilation.
Just because someone says you can't doesn't mean they won't listen to reason or that you are not free to complain.
I didn't vape in the restaurants that said no, but I did voice my displeasure with having to go outside to inhale smoke while I'm trying to avoid inhaling smoke.
This doesn't disprove the truth in what he said. If the new boss said no, then what would you have done.
Nobody said that you couldn't try to reason with them, but at the end of the day, if they say "no", then "no" it is. And unless you are in a union, employers can fire you for whatever reason they want.
I am in a union and under contract and I would have no recourse if they said I couldn't vape other then try to reason with them.
I have no unions available, just skill and demand. If he had said no to any solution I would've looked for a different job.
I was pointing out that "no" does not mean end of story. And like I said above, with vaping it needs to be pointed out to people who think they're avoiding liability by forcing vapers to inhale SHS that they are actually opening themselves up to it.
If they provide a place for smokers, they should also provide a smoke-free place for vapers. After all, don't they claim inhaling smoke is harmful? Since you're a vaper, I guess its okay if your health is harmed.... right? They don't tell smokers to quit or die when they provide them a place... but they do you not providing a smoke-free area? Yeh, right, real rational there. I guess their next step would be to fire all the smokers and vapers while keeping the one complainer. At the very least... they shouldn't restrict ALL the areas outside from vaping. But I doubt they would even consider it as that's not on their agenda considering no using SNUS in the building. That brings up a question.... do SNUS users also have to go to the smoking area before putting a pack in their lip? Do those chewing nic gum have to go to the smoking area? Do employees have to rip off their patches in the building and replace them in the smoking area? Do smokers have to wait until all the nic is out of their system before returning to the building? Just wondering... trying to figure the logic reading the memo. Just rhetorical questions. You're in ANTZ territory... I would find another job ASAP. Respect will be required of you but you'll get none.
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This is what I've always said. Of course if I was not retired already and had to put up with the idiots, I would make it a point to just go vape somewhere away from the smokers. If they called me on the carpet for it I would go to HR and complain that I'm being forced to breathe "second hand" smoke and my clothes would be polluted with what they now call "third hand" smoke. With an indignant and horrified stare I would let them know that they are forcing me to reverse the health improvements I've achieved by quitting smoking!
I am sooo glad I don't have to deal with self-righteous irrational people.
I like to tell my people I am using my nicotine delivery system. Or nds for short....
Examples like this will be an everyday occurrence, until there is a landmark, precedent-setting legal decision. As it is now, HR departments don't know what to do about vaping, save for lumping vaping devices in with cigarettes or tobacco products. It may not be their personal beliefs, but they are just doing their job. They don't set the policy. Until approved smoking cessation devices/products includes e-cigarettes, nothing will change. Only a well publicized lawsuit with a decision favorable to vaping will change this. No amount of pamphlets or education on vaping will change policy designed to avoid legal liability.
I would really like to see the explanations given from employers, when asked.
Is this for liability reasons (the classification as ecigs being a tobacco product) and or has there been complaints to add the use of ecigs into company policy?
Is this for liability reasons (the classification as ecigs being a tobacco product) and or has there been complaints to add the use of ecigs into company policy?
When I asked about e-cigarettes when our site became tobacco-free, I was told it contains nicotine- even though I said so do the corporate-approved patch and gum. I was then told it simulates smoking, which is also not allowed. Someone from a distance may think someone vaping is smoking, so they don't want the confusion. Vaping will never be allowed on company property where I work, until it becomes an approved smoking cessation device.
So the reason was the simulation of smoking, is the real cause of them not allowing it. I wonder if it did become a medical device what reasonable accomodations they would provide to employees., Put you in a corner of the office away from people that don't vape, like how they did with smoking sections. It would be interesting to hear when I walked into a restaurant if I would like a vaping or non vaping section.
Yeah, unless you want to risk your job, I wouldn't go against the "policy". We all know what it means even though it doesn't specifically state that a personal vaporizer which might only contain PG/VG and flavoring isn't the same thing.
Get a prescription to an inhaler and hold it like a cigarette, it would be more mistakable than a Vamo or Provari.
I really hope these places are paying you guys top tier money.
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