I think it would be more about the vapor it produces, than the actual device.
Wonder if people stealth vaped, that they would be less likely to add ecigs into the policy.
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I think it would be more about the vapor it produces, than the actual device.
Wonder if people stealth vaped, that they would be less likely to add ecigs into the policy.
It really didn't seem like anyone really knew why, other than corporate doesn't allow it. I asked the rep at an active health management meeting about e-cigarettes, who said they are not an approved smoking cessation device. I work for a large corporation. I didn't even ask if I can vape inside, just out in my car on break with the windows up. They said someone in the parking lot may think I am smoking a cigarette. As it is now, I have to leave the property, like the smokers.
Until vaping becomes a recognized smoking cessation device, I guarantee they will be treated like cigarettes in the workplace and public venues. How that will happen, I have no idea.
Hard to say without being there. I know I don't create a fog unless I'm around smokers. It's not intentional either.
Not long ago, they fired someone- who had been with the company for 42 years, for smoking on the property. They knew others were doing it, but wanted to make an example.
I earn a good living and have great benefits. I won't risk that to make a point.
Interesting, so even if it was stealth vaping people might be under the impression you might be doing something illegal or against company policy by using the device.
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Yes, short of them sending out e-mails to everyone saying not to be concerned if you see Steve in his car with the windows up engulfed by billowing clouds of vapor, it isn't going to be allowed. Even then, a visitor may see me 'violating' the smoking ban. Policies like this will take legal precedent to change.
Sheesh... I remember working for a company who also used lousy management tactics. First of all, they need to change the name of the policy, or make a new one. Putting it under the "no tobacco" rules shows nothing but total ignorance on the part of management.
More importantly, it isn't so much what they want as it is how they go about getting it. If you have to revamp a policy and publish it to everyone, fine, but at least have the nads to talk to the folks it's going to affect first. Not doing so is disgustingly passive aggressive.
I feel for you, OP... It's kind of soul sucking to work for someone you can't respect...
More importantly, it isn't so much what they want as it is how they go about getting it. If you have to revamp a policy and publish it to everyone, fine, but at least have the nads to talk to the folks it's going to affect first. Not doing so is disgustingly passive aggressive.
I feel for you, OP... It's kind of soul sucking to work for someone you can't respect...
It has to be company wide like that or it can cause liability for prejudice, with just speaking to certain employees beforehand.
I'm suggesting they talk to the employees it will affect in addition to, and preferably before the company wide memo goes out.
It is prejudice, they can say they are being singled out and it could cause a lawsuit, even if a memo is sent out afterwards.
The only way they could avoid this is speaking to the entire company before the memo, but companies are about profit and would never do it this way, unless it was going to have backlash from a majority of their workforce or there was a change to policy.
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I was under the impression from what you said that all FDA approved NRT was allowed. Guess not.
Here in NY, if you want to smoke, you have to go outside. So, if I have to go outside to vape, I don't have to stand next to the smokers and smell them or inhale their SHS. So not really being forced into that and any judge would say that if I didn't like it, I should move.
I'm still waiting for the medical ......... patients to say they should be able to blaze up in the middle of the office. Hey, there's no tobacco in it and it's for medical reasons. They should have more right to fire up in the middle of an office then a vaper.
I'm still waiting for the medical ......... patients to say they should be able to blaze up in the middle of the office. Hey, there's no tobacco in it and it's for medical reasons. They should have more right to fire up in the middle of an office then a vaper.
Yes. Cigarettes aren't smoking cessation devices. He was smoking a cigarette.
I've been stealth vaping in the bathroom stall at work for years, and I dare anyone to prove it 
I've been stealth vaping in the bathroom stall at work for years, and I dare anyone to prove it
I just duck my head under my desk.
If it is a large company, HR will very likely call their legal department if they believe there may be a possible health risk to their employees. Of course the question in my example was not for permission to vape inside, but to vape outside away from the smokers.
So back to square one, get a prescription for a nicotine inhaler. They're quite expensive in the US so you're best bet is to order online from Canada once you have the script.
That covers some of the imitation you need (without the vapor, which is a big part for me) and allows you to keep a constant nicotine level that you need with NRT and ecigs (which don't hit as fast as cigarettes).
If you think you would be fired because it mimics smoking, like chewing on a pen would, get it approved first.
But even though it looks like smoking more than a Vamo or Provari ecig from a distance I bet they don't care and this policy is simply an Big Pharma backed, ANTZ driven policy and the claim about mistaking ecigs for smoking is BS. They'll probably let you use an inhaler at your desk.
It may be making a point but I'm sure they won't get it.
Otherwise if I was you I would drop nicotine ASAP because the more times you have to power through a nicotine craving that only a freebase cigarette provides while waiting for an ecig to deliver the more likely you will end up back on real ones.
Did you know there are stealth juices available? They are specially designed to produce vapor on inhale but none on exhale so you don't accidentally exhale any vapor as you might trying to stealth a regular juice. Also there are key chain PVs.... tiny, tiny things. Unless your ANTZ coworker was watching you like a hawk no one would ever know and even if they suspected, they couldn't prove it.
What would be ideal would be for e-cigarettes to be approved as smoking cessation devices. Is there any progress on this? Getting an inhaler isn't a problem- my work pays 100% for any approved smoking cessation device- nic inhalers, the patch, gum, Chantix and even sessions with a smoking cessation 'expert.'
I don't mind waiting for break to vape- I'd rather just not have to leave the property- especially in winter and bad weather.
The problem is, everything comes from corporate. 150000+ employees worldwide. No matter how supportive supervisors and managers may be at my location, they don't have the power to do anything in this case. I may put in an inquiry to the ombudsman to get some more clarification on e-cigarettes.
Until the day vaping is no longer lumped into the same category as cigarette smokers, I don't think anything will change.
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