Can anyone recommend me a good Bottom Feeder?

[Dougiestyle]

"The quality of the Vmod is on-par with the Reo."

This is crazy talk, on which planet does this happen?

Best regards
Amund

They both have superior and unique characteristics.

Vmod recessed connector > Reo top mount (drip cup)
Reo all metal build < Vmod plastic chassis encased in aluminum shell
Vmod 9ml capacity > Reo 6ml capacity
Vmod contoured edges > Reo squared (newer style smoothed) edges
Reo vertical feed >< Vmod inverted feed (depends on preference)
Reo rba compatibility > Vmod rba compatibilty w/ adapter

*all this taken from comparison between Reo Grand and Vmod XL

Oh yeah, Reo made in USA > Vmod made in China

I think this last part is a dead horse. vaping originated overseas. 99% of vape gear comes from China. So what?

 

[muzichead]

Rookie noob here with a few observations:

Nothing wrong with the Vmod XL.... Been a workhorse for over a year now.... Not knocking the REO, but the Vmod is a good introduction feeder.

Translation: gonna go for a boat ride down the croc infested amazon, you don't need a boat, just get an inflatable pool raft, you know an introductory device, to see if you like it.

And you are knocking the REO as well as the guy who makes em. See below.


I laugh at the responses for REO's, that they hold a good resale value, but even what some people are asking for in the classifieds is still too much IMO.... Still don't like the fact that Rob is still charging everyone a premium price for tooling on every unit he sells.... Anyone with an engineering or manufacturing background knows that an REO Grand only costs about $50 for parts and labor!!! Markup is way too high....

Im laughing too, but more at your statement. Several things come to mind here: the first, using your math, would put the value of a vmod at about a $1.99?

The second, many people understand that in life, you have to pay for quality. Just speaking in vaping terms,

How bout juices? Unflavored nic costs pennies a ml, why do people pay $16 an up for 30ml when you can get 100ml of unflavored for $4.99? Oh, you have to pay the team of nuclear physicist to mix in flavor that is also pennies a ml.

I (and a WHOLE lot of others) understand that a REO is a handmade, nearly indestructible device made right here in the USA and is backed by probably the best customer service and warranty on this planet. Call there, you'll be talking to the dude who makes em, not some voicemail from the company that pimps out disposable Chinese mods.

If you don't value your APV's and just drop or throw them around, I would suggest, (yes suggest), you get the REO. If you take care of your APV's, then you could save some cash and get a good APV in a Vmod XL.... Don't let all the, "its a plastic APV", comments dissuade you. It is a good solid mod when assembled.... Don't hate!!!!

No hate here bro. Its clear you are as big a vmod fanboy as i am a REOnaut, but I value the hell out if mine PV. Thats why i bought solid ones, cause shizit happens, like dropping em. If vaping was a hobby i might consider paying 50 for 1.99 worth of Chinese parts and labor. But it's not, so I and many others willingly pay for quality USA products from a great dude rather than put faith in cheaply made products with little or no customer service to "save a little money introductory style"

You have definitely never used a REO bro. I'm tempted to send you my blue grand (oh but it was bought as a blem - who would want a blemished mod?)

Russ


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First of all, no I have not used an REO, mulled it over for a few months, but changed my mind and bought the Vmod XL..... Not a fanboy of any mod as well..... Just stating my opinion, which also, I never said anything about the Vmod being overpriced, (which I think it is), but according to my math I would put it in at about $25-$30 to manufacture.... If you think your REO has no Chinese parts in it, you need to step away from that .... your smoking as well and do some research on your beloved REO mod.... Your noobism as well as your fanboy ways are really showing bro......

 

[super_X_drifter]

They both have superior and unique characteristics.

Vmod recessed connector > Reo top mount (drip cup)
Reo all metal build < Vmod plastic chassis encased in aluminum shell
Vmod 9ml capacity > Reo 6ml capacity
Vmod contoured edges > Reo squared (newer style smoothed) edges
Reo vertical feed >< Vmod inverted feed (depends on preference)
Reo RBA compatibility > Vmod RBA compatibilty w/ adapter

*all this taken from comparison between Reo Grand and Vmod XL

Oh yeah, Reo made in USA > Vmod made in China

I think this last part is a dead horse. Vaping originated overseas. 99% of vape gear comes from China. So what?

Whoa silver. We gotta stop and talk. Don't worry im not getting down.

Hey down there...

You left off probably one of the most important facts.

REO top notch customer service and lifetime warranty by the fabricator < vmod very little support from the importer / reseller). That is taken right from the vmod forums.

Giddie up silver (as I beat ol silver repeatedly with my REO and ride out.


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[super_X_drifter]

First of all, no I have not used an REO, mulled it over for a few months, but changed my mind and bought the Vmod XL..... Not a fanboy of any mod as well..... Just stating my opinion, which also, I never said anything about the Vmod being overpriced, (which I think it is), but according to my math I would put it in at about $25-$30 to manufacture.... If you think your REO has no Chinese parts in it, you need to step away from that .... your smoking as well and do some research on your beloved REO mod.... Your noobism as well as your fanboy ways are really showing bro......

Dude, you make no point again. I'm not even gonna bother trying to reason with the unofficial president of the vmod cheerleaders. Vape on with your vmod bro. Don't hate.


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[Dougiestyle]

Whoa silver. We gotta stop and talk. Don't worry im not getting down.

Hey down there...

You left off probably one of the most important facts.

REO top notch customer service and lifetime warranty by the fabricator < vmod very little support from the importer / reseller). That is taken right from the vmod forums.

Giddie up silver (as I beat ol silver repeatedly with my REO and ride out.


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I'll have you know that the designer of the Vmod contacted me via PM, here on ECF when I happened to mention a spacing issue that I had addressed in the original Vmod XL thread. He offered to replace it at no charge, as it was a manufacturing flaw, and he wanted me to be a happy customer. I never took the offer, as it was a simple thing to alleviate.

If it's a matter of CS, we've all been treated well by someone once upon a time. No reason to swing on their dangly man-parts for it.

I'd say that the sentiment offered by the Vmod designer to me in regards to an insignificant observation of mine kinda trumps your "Rob's the best CS under the sun" sentiment. Most vapor vendors care about their customer base, as it's a limited one.

*Watches as The Lone Ranger rides off into the sunset...

 

[super_X_drifter]

If it's a matter of CS, we've all been treated well by someone once upon a time. No reason to swing on their dangly man-parts for it.

*Watches the lone rangers ... intently as he rides off into the sunset ...

Duggie....

It amazing how rugged some people think are in their little duggie houses behind their little duggie keyboards.

Duggie....

Coming from the guy who vapes off a tin can.

Duggie. Is that your mommy calling you for supper duggie?



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[y cherry y]

This is such a stupid argument. Both work well. They both deliver juice and voltage to your atomizer. If you want a tool for essentially mess-free dripping, they both work. If you want it cheaper, buy a VMod. If you want something prettier and absolutely unbreakable, buy a REO. With the same battery and atomizer, the resulting vape will be just about identical. Enjoy the vape, whichever mod you choose.

 

[Dougiestyle]

Doug....

It amazing how rugged some people think are in their little duggie houses behind their little duggie keyboards.

Doug....

Coming from the guy who vapes off a tin can.

Doug Is that your mommy calling you for supper, Doug?



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Fixed. You misspelled my name.

Mister, you'll have to excuse my humorous disdain for your feeble, childish attempt to insult me. I'm a grown man from the old school. I don't say anything I'm unable or unwilling to back up. Meanwhile, I'll be sitting in my quarter-million dollar home (paid for), laughing at you and your pom-poms. Cheer-on fanboi!

By the way, I'm in Walker County a coupla times a year if you'd ever like to puff on my tin can, bud.

This is such a stupid argument. Both work well. They both deliver juice and voltage to your atomizer. If you want a tool for essentially mess-free dripping, they both work. If you want it cheaper, buy a VMod. If you want something prettier and absolutely unbreakable, buy a REO. With the same battery and atomizer, the resulting vape will be just about identical. Enjoy the vape, whichever mod you choose.

This is exactly what I was affirming. Thank you!

 

[Northernshrink]

Nothing funnier to a Canadian than reading Americans squabble over 2 mod's one American made the other Chinese By all means lets support a country who steals patents builds crap and has no customer service instead of keeping your money at home

Oh and +1 for Reo's

 

[Dougiestyle]

Most of the "crap" that got us started vaping is made in China. Big deal.

 

[Butters78]

Plastic is bad. Metal is good.

 

[Northernshrink]

Actually a Buzz pro got me started unlike many I did my research before I started.........

 

[Butters78]

Actually a Buzz pro got me started unlike many I did my research before I started.........

I loved my buzz pro when I had it. I just couldn't get over the raised connector.

 

[Skopp]

Rockin' the Reo! Worth every penny.

 

[Rictic]

I jumped straight to a REO and It exceeded my expectations. I've heard the Vmods are cool too and work great. Weigh the price vs. the look and choose what you can afford/what you like looking at more. Bottom feeders are super practical and I won't be going back to another method, and the two you're considering most likely will not disappoint. Good luck.

 

[mikeymack]

I feel the need the comment here. I have both. A Reo mini I picked up in a trade a Vmod XL and 2 Vmod 2.0's(mini) I got off the classifieds. Each have there advantages and disadvantages. When I started I couldn't fathom the idea of paying so much for a Reo so I went with the Vmod XL. In hind site I get why there so pricey and they do hold much of there value if the do decide to sell it. One thing I really like about the Vmod is being able to just throw it in my jacket pocket and not worry about the juice well or leaking. I have only good things to say about each. Comes down the how much your willing to spend. I have disagree about Vapages customer service I had only good experiences any time I had to contact them. I post an issue on the forum and they contacted me. Can't go wrong with either I do use me Vmod 2.0's must of the time for convenience factor.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Fixed. You misspelled my name.

Mister, you'll have to excuse my humorous disdain for your feeble, childish attempt to insult me. I'm a grown man from the old school. I don't say anything I'm unable or unwilling to back up. Meanwhile, I'll be sitting in my quarter-million dollar home (paid for), laughing at you and your pom-poms. Cheer-on fanboi!

By the way, I'm in Walker County a coupla times a year if you'd ever like to puff on my tin can, bud.



This is exactly what I was affirming. Thank you!

Doug, I think I'll pass on hitting your rig, but I'd buy ya a beer. Never met another vaper. Peace.


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[sacricide]

Hey, you, up there on your high-horse, come down here. We need to talk.

I've owned a VmodXL. I have tried Reos. I like them both for various reasions. The post you lambashed was spot-on IMO. It had opinion that was a bit overboard as to the value placed on the Reos, but cost is a definite component to a purchase. It should be noted that without a bunch of bells and whistles, a bottomfeeder is just a coupla battery contacts, some connectors, a bottle and a button in a box. The quality of the Vmod is on-par with the Reo. Both function akin to one another aside from the tip-and-squirsh/squonk. The Reo is more durable in EXTREME circumstances. Generally, tho, if I'm participating in an extremely rugged enviroment, my PV is in my pocket. I build hardscapes (boulder walls/manufactured stone/outdoor fireplaces/ basically climbing through rocks most days). With that said, my Vmod XL never suffered any catastrophic damage. It got scratched to hell and back, but for ~$50, so what? Had it of been a Reo, I would have been remiss for the abuse I put my Vmod XL through.

Now, my complaint for both Reo and Vmod XL... mechanical. I want a consistent vape. I want certain heat from the time I put a fresh battery in until it's dead. Rob accomodated this with the introduction of the VV Reo. It is good. It is hella expensive. I built my own VW bottomfeeder w/ A7 RBA, so I'm not a fanboy of either PV. Just clearing the air.

To the OP, buy one or both. You will be happy until the battery starts to drop off. Neither are consistent over 8hrs of vaping. Both can be "Kicked" for consistency but with some sacrifice of battery capacity/run-time.

everyone will hate me for saying this, but i agree with you most so far. the arguments about durability are indeed only in most extreme circumstances. but even if they aren't i take care of everything i own, and hardly ever drop anything at all so i can only say for me the durability isnt even an issue unless its so fragile is just self destructs after dropping it once. so i would say this whole debate on ruggedness is sorta silly since no ones driving on top of there mods weekly. thats just me though, i like both units but the reos offering nothing much to me over the vmod at all, other than particular design variations IE the reo allows more RBA's to fit on it. and has a vertical feed which is nice, and a hefty price tag... which has kept me still from pulling the trigger.

thats really it to me, lol. to those i have offended...god speed!

 

[sacricide]

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Rockin' the Reo! Worth every penny.

black with copper vein? thats the one i keep eyeing every time i visit the site lol

 

[Rictic]

and has a vertical feed which is nice, and a hefty price tag... which has kept me still from pulling the trigger.

thats really it to me, lol. to those i have offended...god speed!

Keep an eye out on the classies and the REO website for blemished mods to save some money. No one can argue that you should think about spending over $100 for something you haven't tried out in person for what basically is a hobby to whatever degree. I can only say that once I thought about it and bought my blue REO grand, it took me 5 seconds to decide to jump on a $150 Woodvil 18490 on the classies.