Can anyone recommend me a good Bottom Feeder?

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I've bought 3 Reos, in the last 2 months. In fact, besides a legacy I have laying around somewhere all I have now is Reos. Gave away my Vmod and sold all my other mods/pvs. The Reo is just something you have to experience first hand. Once that happens, you will get the hype and why many love the Reo.
 

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Nothing wrong with the Vmod XL.... Been a workhorse for over a year now.... Not knocking the REO, but the Vmod is a good introduction feeder. I laugh at the responses for REO's, that they hold a good resale value, but even what some people are asking for in the classifieds is still too much IMO.... Still don't like the fact that Rob is still charging everyone a premium price for tooling on every unit he sells.... Anyone with an engineering or manufacturing background knows that an REO Grand only costs about $50 for parts and labor!!! Markup is way too high.... If you don't value your APV's and just drop or throw them around, I would suggest, (yes suggest), you get the REO. If you take care of your APV's, then you could save some cash and get a good APV in a Vmod XL.... Don't let all the, "its a plastic APV", comments dissuade you. It is a good solid mod when assembled.... Don't hate!!!!


I've had both. I can give an honest appraisal.

Both have design pros and cons.

Rob can charge whatever he wants, because not only is reo a great product, but the customer service simply cannot be beat. That is the big difference here. Try that with vapage. :blink:

However, reo is a small shop and vapage isn't. You are comparing apples and oranges. Vapage is a big wholesaler and you can't compare the 2 companies at all. Both of the designers are talented, IMHO and came up with thoughtful designs that work. They just have completely different strengths and weaknesses, but both vape perfectly wonderfully.

But the vmod does have some design things I like. I like the window placement. It makes squonking very ergonomically pleasant. When you are holding it, the window placement is such that your index, middle and other fingers are right there and window placement is actually on "3" sides because it wraps around.

Usefulness, both bottom feeders work very well and do what they are designed to do. The chamber setup in the vmod is very nice, and I've never had a leak. Not even a drop.

However, the chassis on the vmod IS plastic. So it can crack. The aluminum casing is thin, and works fine when on the mod, but if you take it off the mod, it can bend easily. I found this out mailing it and getting it back, is got a little squooshed and was hard to straighten out and slide back on after that.

The reo is forever. With a rebuild kit, there is nothing on the mechanical reos that can't be fixed. Nothing.

However, not everyone wants or cares to have a mod last forever. Some of us don't expect to vape forever.

Use wise, I have used both, they do what they are designed to do. The vmod is a tad smaller, so if you have a small hand, the vmod2.0 is just a tad thinner and overall easier to hold than a reo.

I really can't knock either one. To be honest, on the mechanical ones, I don't iike the button on either one. On the vmod the spring is in there and seems like a weak point. On the reo, without the large button cover which is extra, the button is just too small in diameter.

I have hand and wrist problems/injuries, so I am rather particular when it comes to holding/using bottom feeders. I can honestly say that both work really nicely. I like the screw-in bottle for the vmod a bit better than the bottle with the feeder tube on the reo. It's just easier, and you can store juice in the vmod bottles and they come with a cap....so carrying around extra bottles is easier w/the vmod.

with the reo if you have sensitive hands, sometimes the corners can kinda jab you. I think Rob has rounded them in the 2.1 now. The vmod was a little bit more comfortable in that respect at least for me....small female hands and thin skin.

The reo will, without a doubt, last longer with rough use. And, you can repair it yourself with a rebuild kit. If something goes wrong with the vmod it's got to go back to vapage under the warranty, so you will be without your vape for a while.

As for the vape, really no difference. Battery life in the mecahnical versions drops off, that's a given. Both give a nice vape, both feed great, both are leak free.

The only other thing would be aesthetics. Eveyrone has a different design sense. Both have a certain "look" and you might prefer one design over the other to "look at". The vmod can really look adorable with the rubberized skins, and the skins are comfortable in both hot and very cold temps. The reo being aluminum, it can be cold when you first pick it up in winter if you keep your house very cool like i do, but it warms up quickly. Ditto, hot weather, it goes to 108 here and I think a rubberized skin is more comfortable in the hand. All that can be solved with a skin from serenity gear for the reo.

Window placement in vmod is the bomb, squonking for me at least is way easier. It does also feel a bit better in my hand, although I can tell you that for larger hands, the vmod2.0 can feel rather "cramped". Reo will last longer due to design. Reo wins on customer service but that is only based on my experience and results may vary...it's a much smaller shop than vapage, the latter being a wholesaler as well, so they are not a one or 2 person shop. Whole different ball game.

I use both and it depends on the criteria that is important to YOU as to which you will like better. I happen to like both. :) ALL things being equal? REO is worth the extra money for sure, and robert is the most attentive vendor you will ever find. If you don't want to shell out the price, and you want a nice bottom feeder at lower price, then get a vmod. Really, it's all based on what is most important to you. Theres something for everyone between these 2 bottom feeders IMHO
 
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One more thing. It DOES make a difference whether you are right or left handed.

Sitting here, holding the reo in my right hand, thumb on the button, fingers have to wrap all the way around to get to the window. If you use your index finger instead of your thumb you can press the bottle with your thumb, but you won't have a full grip on the mod.

Holding reo in left hand, thumb on the button, there is no really comfortable way to press the bottle. Howeverif you use your index finger to press the button, then you can use your last 2 fingers to sqonk.

Holding vmod in either left or right hand, it will work ambidextrously. You are going to fire the button with your thumb, and your fingers will wrap around the front, regardless of what hand you hold the mod in, to squonk the bottle.

I think maybe these positiional things might only be real obvious to somebody with hand limitations like I have? Either that or I'm not holding these mods correctly?

I think if you have a hand preference, right or left, you might have to decide based on this? Keep in mind, on the REO, the window is on ONE SIDE of the mod. On the Vmod, the window is in the front, so there is no "side" that the window is on. This is the only bottom feeder that has this as far as I know. ?
I personally thought this was a fantastic design feature. :)
 
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First off, love this thread... it's exactly what I was looking for since I've been considering a bottom feeder recently (never had one). The argument was cool, it gave me more info and was able to see two sides of the story.

Just a couple questions though:

1) someone made the comment "One thing I really like about the Vmod is being able to just throw it in my jacket pocket and not worry about the juice well or leaking."

Does this mean the reo can't do this, or is more prone to leaking than the vmod?

2) what is this "vertical feeding" people are taking about the reo has?

3) I really want a vv bottom feeder, does the vmod make one, or is the reo the only vv bottom feeder?

4) what's the disadvantage (if any) in getting the vv reo over a non vv reo?

5) I see people throw around the $50 price for a vmod. I don,t seem to see them that cheap anywhere. Were are people getting vmods for 50 bucks?

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also, what are the 3 atty's on top of these unites? I'm fully new to the bottom feeder world so i'm not sure what they use other than cartos for the most part. I think one might be a hornet or clone.

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First off, love this thread... it's exactly what I was looking for since I've been considering a bottom feeder recently (never had one). The argument was cool, it gave me more info and was able to see two sides of the story.

Just a couple questions though:

1) someone made the comment "One thing I really like about the Vmod is being able to just throw it in my jacket pocket and not worry about the juice well or leaking."

Does this mean the reo can't do this, or is more prone to leaking than the vmod?

2) what is this "vertical feeding" people are taking about the reo has?

3) I really want a vv bottom feeder, does the vmod make one, or is the reo the only vv bottom feeder?

4) what's the disadvantage (if any) in getting the vv reo over a non vv reo?

5) I see people throw around the $50 price for a vmod. I don,t seem to see them that cheap anywhere. Were are people getting vmods for 50 bucks?

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I don't own an REO, but it is on my list of must have APV's for the future. They are a very well built device with an outstanding reputation in the vaping community. I purchased the Vmod XL as an introduction into bottom feeding and didn't want to shell out the extra $100 on an APV I wasn't even sure if I would like, never using a bottom feeder before. I have not one regret in what I purchased and it has been an outstanding device for me.

Just to answer a few questions:

The $50 Vmod everyone is talking about is when Vapage releases a 50% off coupon which happens about every 3 months or so. They should be releasing one coming soon.

Vapage doesn't make a VV model, but it is in the works, or so has been hinted at about a month ago.... They are very easy to install a kick in them to make it VW though. The kick has a 10 watt limit, but for most that is enough. It would be about the same as using a 1.5ohm atty in a 5 volt device. I have been using one in my XL for almost a year now and been working great.

The REO has what they call vertical feeding, which is different from the Vmod, as it has to be tilt fed. Either method becomes almost second nature once you get used to using them. I would also add that the Vmod can be modded with tube and or needle to become a verticle fed device. There are a few posts on the forum and I believe there are a few youtube video's on the subject.

There have been posts on occasion where someone has fed juice into their REO's and not vaped it all and the remaining liquid in the drip cup has leaked when pocketed and moving around, (ie.. bending over and such)... REO is not the only bottom feeder with this problem, Boggers have the same problem. You just have to pay attention to how you feed your device before pocketing said device while not vaping it. I have never had the Vmod XL leak even one drop at any time.

One of the other big differences is the ability to use a rebuildable atty on the device. The Vmod XL will not accept one without modding the device. There are several people that have taken the cone off and used a 510/510 connector to put a rebuildable on it. There is no modding required for the REO's though.

I hope some of this info made sense and helps you out. You should check out the REO section, Reos Mods, on the forum and also under APV video reviews you can find, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-bottom-feeding-mod-vapage-com-part-2-a.html to read through. Some very informative info in both sections....
 

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First one is Mark Bugs Chalice, second is an ERA or Hornet, third is a Chalice again.

Chalice are $$$$ and very hard to find. New batch will be made in April or May they say.

I have a eBaron Dripper Spiral coming for my Reos.

Thanks man, that chalice looks super cool! If and when I get a reo, I hope I can find one of them to go with it.

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I don't own an REO, but it is on my list of must have APV's for the future. They are a very well built device with an outstanding reputation in the vaping community. I purchased the Vmod XL as an introduction into bottom feeding and didn't want to shell out the extra $100 on an APV I wasn't even sure if I would like, never using a bottom feeder before. I have not one regret in what I purchased and it has been an outstanding device for me.

Just to answer a few questions:

The $50 Vmod everyone is talking about is when Vapage releases a 50% off coupon which happens about every 3 months or so. They should be releasing one coming soon.

Vapage doesn't make a VV model, but it is in the works, or so has been hinted at about a month ago.... They are very easy to install a kick in them to make it VW though. The kick has a 10 watt limit, but for most that is enough. It would be about the same as using a 1.5ohm atty in a 5 volt device. I have been using one in my XL for almost a year now and been working great.

The REO has what they call vertical feeding, which is different from the Vmod, as it has to be tilt fed. Either method becomes almost second nature once you get used to using them. I would also add that the Vmod can be modded with tube and or needle to become a verticle fed device. There are a few posts on the forum and I believe there are a few youtube video's on the subject.

There have been posts on occasion where someone has fed juice into their REO's and not vaped it all and the remaining liquid in the drip cup has leaked when pocketed and moving around, (ie.. bending over and such)... REO is not the only bottom feeder with this problem, Boggers have the same problem. You just have to pay attention to how you feed your device before pocketing said device while not vaping it. I have never had the Vmod XL leak even one drop at any time.

One of the other big differences is the ability to use a rebuildable atty on the device. The Vmod XL will not accept one without modding the device. There are several people that have taken the cone off and used a 510/510 connector to put a rebuildable on it. There is no modding required for the REO's though.

I hope some of this info made sense and helps you out. You should check out the REO section, Reos Mods, on the forum and also under APV video reviews you can find, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-bottom-feeding-mod-vapage-com-part-2-a.html to read through. Some very informative info in both sections....

Nice man, this helps a lot. Thanks for the info. I'm starting to want both devices now. I hope I'm in the know when that 50 percent off coupon comes around. I got a kick just this week, so a 50 buck vmod would definitely hit the spot until I can get my cash and hands on a vv reo in the color I want.

One more dumb question, all bottom feeder's use regular old cartos right? No need for a special or specific kind of carto?

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Nice man, this helps a lot. Thanks for the info. I'm starting to want both devices now. I hope I'm in the know when that 50 percent off coupon comes around. I got a kick just this week, so a 50 buck vmod would definitely hit the spot until I can get my cash and hands on a vv reo in the color I want.

One more dumb question, all bottom feeder's use regular old cartos right? No need for a special or specific kind of carto?

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If you subscribe to the XL thread I gave you, there will be a post there when it happens. Just keep in mind the kick will only fit in the XL model... As to the carto question, anything, (carto or atty), that is native 510 connection will work on most devices without an adapter. There are APV's out there that offer a choice as to what connection, (510, 801, 808, or 901), that you want... Most are native 510 connection though.
 

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Vapage is having a 20% off sale now until March 18th. The Vmod 2.0 A la cart kit is $60 and everything you will need is in the kit except batteries and a charger. If you have a multifunctinal charger the 14500 batteries will work in there too.

I ordered the kit and 2 batteries for $70. All I can tell you is I love the Vmod, its sleek looking, performs well, no leaks, no hassle and I get a good consistent hit each puff. I love mine so much I ordered another one Tuesday.

Discount code# H32N7

Vapage V-MOD 2.0


One more thing Gummy Bare if you waiting for the 50% off sale sign up with Vapage for their newsletter and they will send an e-mail when they have sales. I tried to wait for the half off sale but jumped at the $60 kit as I got tired of waiting.
 
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Just got that. Had i received it last night i might of thought about it. Maybe next time if i love the reo. Figured it better to share.
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Dang... pay the cellphone bill, or get another apv.

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Gummy Bear thats a no brainer, get the apv of course. Lol , just kidding.

Thats a really good deal so perhaps you can figure something out. Vapage offers the 20% off deal often but the last 50% off sale they had was in October. January they had a buy one get one free offer. I know alot of vendors have big sales around the holidays and Easter is just a few weeks away. Decisions, decisions......
 
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