Can DIY with flavors truly be banned?
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I don't see how they can ban the ingredients used.
Agreed. Less the nicotine VG and PG are also used in making candy. VG is also used for treating skin. When I first started making ejuice I bought VG at the health food store and candy flavoring at Walmart. My love uses my flavorings at Christmas for making hard candy for gift baskets.
IMHO, no. Buying everything you needed from one convenient vendor may change though.
Flavors are used in candies, chips, desserts ... available everywhere (Amazon, Walmart, ...). Propylene Glycol and Glycerol will always be available from industrial sources.
Propylene glycol - Wikipedia
Propylene glycol is also used in various edible items such as coffee-based drinks, liquid sweeteners, ice cream, whipped dairy products and soda.[8][9] Vaporizers used for delivery of pharmaceuticals or personal-care products often include propylene glycol among the ingredients.[4] In alcohol-based hand sanitizers, it is used as a humectant to prevent the skin from drying.[10] Propylene glycol is used as a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations, such as for diazepam and lorazepam which are insoluble in water.[11] Certain formulations of artificial tears, such as Systane, use proplyene glycol as an ingredient.
Glycerol - Wikipedia
In food and beverages, glycerol serves as a humectant, solvent, and sweetener, and may help preserve foods. It is also used as filler in commercially prepared low-fat foods (e.g., cookies), and as a thickening agent in liqueurs. Glycerol and water are used to preserve certain types of plant leaves.[14] As a sugar substitute, it has approximately 27 kilocalories per teaspoon (sugar has 20) and is 60% as sweet as sucrose. It does not feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities.[citation needed] As a food additive, glycerol is labeled as E number E422. It is added to icing (frosting) to prevent it from setting too hard.
As expected, nicotine can become problematic to acquire and may be best to stock-up on. Since you DIY, you can adjust and fade your consumed nicotine levels (mg/ml) to precise levels. The less you consume the longer your stash will last. From 3 mg/ml I've faded my DIY mixes to 0.03 mg/ml in three years. One liter of nic (48 mg/ml) will now last me a lifetime.
Good luck.
If the government officials are choosing their words carefully all they are talking about is pre-mix, liquids ready to vape. I havn't noticed a direct mention of unflavored. Banning nic concentrate would mean no eliquid, flavored or not.
If you know how to grow some tobacco, you can process your own nicotine.
The other ingredients can also be easily obtained if you know where to get them.
Many here will gladly share the know how.
The other ingredients can also be easily obtained if you know where to get them.
Many here will gladly share the know how.
Once the liquid market is gone the hardware market will follow. Most stores even the big online ones will not be able stay in business. Don't underestimate how much you need hardware wise. I suggest learning to use rebuildables while they are still easily obtainable.
FDA only has control of nicotine products. No control over flavoring agents that can be used for baking.
If its flavored, they can ban it whether it has 0 nic or any other strength.
Edit: I forgot we're talking about DIY. Sorry.
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Depends what you mean by "ban". The FDA could easily enough issue "guidance" restricting the sale of high-test nicotine to entities that have registered as tobacco products manufacturers, which is something that every entity that mixes e-liquids for commercial purposes was supposed to have done back in 2017 or so.
Perhaps I misunderstood the thread. Listening to the high up officials representing their intentions I'd say they don't have a firm grasp of the intricasies. My read is they are banning the sale of pre-mix, not any individual ingredients. If they banned nic it would contridict allowing tobacco flavored with nic. The Whitehouse has screwed up an FDA balancing act. This may mobilize millions of voters and I bet most of them were Trump voters. Trump should not have lent his weight to this issue.
You can easily extract flavors from tobacco, but extracting nicotine is much more difficult. It's not something I'd care to attempt myself.
Perhaps we'll know in a couple of weeks. Perhaps a judge will decide if the 30 day period proceeds on schedual. My read of public statements so far is only flavored eliquid is covered. Time will tell.
Yup. I'm referring to a broad-based ban on DIY supplies (including USP Nic). I get that they can't ban candy flavoring.
Can they stop suppliers from listing/selling legally available needed ingredients in bundles?
I can imagine buying three separate bottles in a bundle to mix together in order to create the same e-juice that I currently enjoy.
Here is a hypothetical bundle...
A "measured out" bottle of FDA-approved coffee flavoring
A "measured out" bottle of FDA-approved vegetable glycerin
A "measured out" bottle of USP nicotine
The first two are a given. Trump can't ban food-based products only for purchases by folks who will mix this for e-juice.
Can he ban USP nicotine?
Yes, such a bundle can easily be banned because the intended use is clear and obvious.
The sale of high-test nic could easily be restricted to entities that have registered with the FDA as tobacco products manufacturers.
Stock your freezer with nic base. Everything else is likely to be available separately.
Just one example of a flavor source that isn't going to go away.
I get the flavoring for my main liquid from Nature's Flavors. They have a huge variety of both flavors and differing formulations. While they have removed any direct reference to vaping they still include descriptions that describe how well some products mix with PG. Their 'Coffee and Tea' flavoring seems to be the best product for vaping.
I'd been getting most of my other flavors from suppliers who have been marketing specifically for vaping, but I will be checking out more of their lines. I've started DIY because I personally don't like sweet flavors and their aren't that many premixed teas, mints and herbal liquids.
I get the flavoring for my main liquid from Nature's Flavors. They have a huge variety of both flavors and differing formulations. While they have removed any direct reference to vaping they still include descriptions that describe how well some products mix with PG. Their 'Coffee and Tea' flavoring seems to be the best product for vaping.
I'd been getting most of my other flavors from suppliers who have been marketing specifically for vaping, but I will be checking out more of their lines. I've started DIY because I personally don't like sweet flavors and their aren't that many premixed teas, mints and herbal liquids.
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