Can I get a quick update on the "Is Vaping Safe?" conversation?

[CosmicCatalyst]

I don't wanna work that hard.....
Thanks for the tips though!!!!! . The only time it sorta bugs me.... When the sun hits it. Other than that, it looks great.
How do you get the water spots off of shower doors???!!????!!!??? That irritates me. I've scrubbed with almost everything imaginable. Grrrr did I mention I don't wanna work that hard?

Haha, it's not that hard once you do it a couple times. It's totally worth it when you're driving and dont have to drive with your head out the window because the glare of the sun is turning your car windows into a trippy 60s trip.

 

[Robino1]

Haha, it's not that hard once you do it a couple times. It's totally worth it when you're driving and dont have to drive with your head out the window because the glare of the sun is turning your car windows into a trippy 60s trip.

!!!

Now......about those shower doors.......

 

[therussellv]

I have an OCD for clean glass on anything especially ecigs and windows. For windows: A quick spray with water and wipe with towel removes surface contaminants and some general grime. Followed by a mist of vinegar/distilled water and wiped with a clean microfiber cloth. Repeat. Final wipedown with a new clean microfiber cloth. Protip: When you wash your microfiber rags be 100% sure all detergents are rinsed out and dont use dryer sheets. The rags may smell clean and look it, but will smear like something awful. For an awful buildup a little Dawn will cut most grime. I just use alcohol and microfiber rags on my ecigs

Windex and a napkin from whataburger, works great.

Last stinkie Oct. 15, 2013

 

[Ken_A]

Heh. Star Wars moment.
Stay on topic... Stay on topic.... Crash!


American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) is another good resource.

 

[bcalvanese]

I think it is alot better than smoking, and every doctor I asked about it say the same thing in their opinion.

I think there are many potential unsafe things about vaping as well.

There are no standards on how eliquids are made, and many people are making and selling it right out of their kitchen, and I am sure that some of them do not have a clue. I think there needs to be much research as to how to make the safest eliquid, and standards put into effect before a company is allowed to make and sell it.

There should also be standards on delivery devices as to what materials are used to make the various components of such devices.

I even think there should be some sort of guidelines on the different vaping levels. Not regulations, but more of a guideline. For example... the safest wattage range to vape at is: xxx...

I think alot more studies and research need to be done for this to happen, and I would rather pay a little extra for gear and liquids that I know are going to be the safest. And especially liquids (because that is what we are inhaling). I only buy liquids from the AVE, Halo, Johnson Creek types of companies, and never buy from B&M, or any web stores that do not list how they make it or what is in it.

I know alot of people hate the FDA, but I hope they do what it takes to make e-cigs as safe as they can be.

JMHO...

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Is vaping safe ?

To be honest, I'm far more concerned about a physical assualt from an anti-smoking nazi who sees me vaping from across the street through his high powered binoculars and breaks down my door with a baseball bat in his hand and mayhem on his mind ...

Seriously, a friend recently had a woman in an SUV back him up to a fence, threatening to crush him, after she had driven across the length of a deserted parking lot to confront him for smoking a cigarette and "endangering her children". The same children that SHE had brought into proximity with the second hand smoke ...

People have lost their collective minds over the smoking issue, and will eagerly equate vaping with smoking, because they WANT to ...

That's the real danger, no scientific studies required ...

And your friend called the police and filed assault with a deadly weapon charges, right? Because that's definitely assault with a deadly weapon. That she had her children with her could even add a child endangerment charge. Seriously, I'd be concerned for any child in her care with the obvious temper issue.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

To the OP - Even anti ecig advocates have been forced to say that they are "...likely to be safer..." then smoking. My Dr told me to use them, and my mother, a nurse, bought me my first set up. Plus, there's all the anecdotal evidence over in the new members forum of all those people who can breathe easier, whose taste buds are returning, who have more energy.... Not to mention my own personal experience of all those things myself. Usually, this time of year equals bronchitis for me. So far though, a cold has been a simple cold and nothing more.

 

[Ed_C]

I hear you on this one. There are so many variables that go into making juice. So many people say that you should buy juice that is made in America and while I would agree that it's most likely a better bet than juice made in China, there still is absolutely no regulations as to what can or cannot be included. Just because a company has a slick website and tasty juice doesn't mean all their ingredients are safe. We simply don't know what will happen in the long term as people haven't been vaping for all that long.

There are no standards on how eliquids are made, and many people are making and selling it right out of their kitchen, and I am sure that some of them do not have a clue. I think there needs to be much research as to how to make the safest eliquid, and standards put into effect before a company is allowed to make and sell it.

There should also be standards on delivery devices as to what materials are used to make the various components of such devices.

I even think there should be some sort of guidelines on the different vaping levels. Not regulations, but more of a guideline. For example... the safest wattage range to vape at is: xxx...

I think alot more studies and research need to be done for this to happen, and I would rather pay a little extra for gear and liquids that I know are going to be the safest. And especially liquids (because that is what we are inhaling). I only buy liquids from the AVE, Halo, Johnson Creek types of companies, and never buy from B&M, or any web stores that do not list how they make it or what is in it.

I know alot of people hate the FDA, but I hope they do what it takes to make e-cigs as safe as they can be.

JMHO...

 

[Diogenes]

My view is this. Vaping is supposed to be Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR), not Tobacco Harm Elimination. Is it safer than combusted tobacco? Yeah, and I think that there is substantial evidence to support that answer. How much safer? 10X? 100X?

I don't know the answer to how much safer. I would argue it is at least 10X safer, probably approaching 100X safer in my mind. It is difficult to assert it is safe without some long term studies to back it up. It appears from the Drexel study (and others) that short term use is safe.

Be careful about overselling how safe it is. Consider this when it comes up: stressing to others that vaping to that it is safer, and that it is THR. Admit openly that we don't know the long term effects yet, but that your body tells you it is much safer. That is my method.

I love the honesty! In previous threads, that is the point I was trying to make, I think. Yes, vaping is safer, but we don't really know how safe. I feel much better than when I was smoking, and even now, I've noticed that vaping while sick, my lungs feel much better, I'm not coughing as much, and my chest isn't as congested. I don't know if it's because of vaping, or because I'm not *really* that sick.

 

[AngiBe]

To the OP - Even anti ecig advocates have been forced to say that they are "...likely to be safer..." then smoking. My Dr told me to use them, and my mother, a nurse, bought me my first set up. Plus, there's all the anecdotal evidence over in the new members forum of all those people who can breathe easier, whose taste buds are returning, who have more energy.... Not to mention my own personal experience of all those things myself. Usually, this time of year equals bronchitis for me. So far though, a cold has been a simple cold and nothing more.

Thx for sharing and it's stuff like this, plus my calm teacher Robino and now Edd as well , that help remind us all should be well and truly our overall health is improving.

And you just reminded me. I use to get bronchitis nearly every year for the past 7, anytime from Sept-Nov. the last couple of years it developed into full blown upper respiratory infections and very bad. I didn't get it this past year! I know that cig smoking was def the reason why I kept getting it and vaping is the reason why I DIDN'T get it.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I love the honesty! In previous threads, that is the point I was trying to make, I think. Yes, vaping is safer, but we don't really know how safe. I feel much better than when I was smoking, and even now, I've noticed that vaping while sick, my lungs feel much better, I'm not coughing as much, and my chest isn't as congested. I don't know if it's because of vaping, or because I'm not *really* that sick.

I understand. Your objections to people saying it's "completely safe" are quite reasonable. I think you, me Zoid, and DC are pretty close on this part of the issue. I did try to move the conversation that way with little success...maybe next time, eh?

We diverge once this issue moves to what that means in public, but you guys are still okay. I think we can disagree in a respectful manner and still be friendly.

Vape on.



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[Tinkiegrrl]

Thx for sharing and it's stuff like this, plus my calm teacher Robino and now Edd as well , that help remind us all should be well and truly our overall health is improving.

And you just reminded me. I use to get bronchitis nearly every year for the past 7, anytime from Sept-Nov. the last couple of years it developed into full blown upper respiratory infections and very bad. I didn't get it this past year! I know that cig smoking was def the reason why I kept getting it and vaping is the reason why I DIDN'T get it.

Yep! Same with me! Between Sept and Nov, without fail. My kids would get it too, and we never smoked indoors. I do remember that when my husband went out for a smoke, he came in with a cloud of it, even though he put the cigarette out. I could smell it waft in. I imagine it was the same when I went out for a smoke, although since I was doing the smoking I couldn't smell it come in with me. So far, we are on our second cold of the year and that's it. No fevers, no coughing to the point where it wakes you in the middle of the night... I know it'll pass in a couple of days. It's just a runny nose. The only thing that has changed this year is that no one is smoking. Hubby and I are vaping instead.

 

[EddardinWinter]

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There are no standards on how eliquids are made, and many people are making and selling it right out of their kitchen, and I am sure that some of them do not have a clue.

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I understand where you are coming from with everything but the part I snipped out for reposting.

Who are these "many people" making and selling from their kitchen??




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[Traver]

Safe is a relative term. Almost nothing is absolutely safe, not the air you breathe, the water you drink or the food you eat.

Do you mean will it affect the length and quality of your life? Then in the short term it appears to be it safe. For the long term we will have to wait and see.

Do you mean is it safer than tobacco? I think the evidence is overwhelming that it is safer than tobacco.

We also have to consider that we don't know what every vender puts in juice, the purity of the ingredients or the conditions they are mixed under.

There is also the fact that not all people react the same way to the chemicals in juice. Some may have allergies to PG, VG or any of the flavors in the juice.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I avoid questionable juices by not ordering from someone I've never heard of. If I see positive reviews multiple times for a vendor, I order from them. Places like Mtbakervapor, Ahlusion, Nicoticket, Prime Vaping to name a few. Also, I splurge on premium liquid like Standard Vape and Alpha.

 

[Diogenes]

I understand where you are coming from with everything but the part I snipped out for reposting.

Who are these "many people" making and selling from their kitchen??




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A while back I was looking for new B&M shops to go to in my area. I thought I found one right down the street from where I worked, and was looking forward to visiting it, until I Googled it. I mapped it out, and did a Street View to see what it looked like, so I would know as I was unfamiliar with the area. It was someone's house. The website was very professional, but the actual address was a residence. Now, whether they were mixing in the kitchen, garage, basement, whatever, I don't know. But there are places out there.

This is the supplier that I was talking about.

Edit - I feel I need to put this in, I also don't know if a supplier like this one came up with a formula and outsourced the mixing of it to a lab. I simply do not know that much about making juice, aside from taking a can out of the freezer, putting it in a pitcher, and adding water.

 

[Robino1]

A lot of our current vendors started out in their houses. As they became more profitable, they were able to actually rent B&M space. They started by thinking that they could come up with something as good or better than they were getting from China. Plus they would know what was in it. They let others try it, and a business was born.

It takes skill to make complex liquids, not to mention the NET's. There may be some shady vendors out there, but the community does a great job of letting us know about them. Look up Box Elder sometime. This was before I started vaping.

I trust that if something bad was happening, we would certainly find out.

 

[Diogenes]

A lot of our current vendors started out in their houses. As they became more profitable, they were able to actually rent B&M space. They started by thinking that they could come up with something as good or better than they were getting from China. Plus they would know what was in it. They let others try it, and a business was born.

It takes skill to make complex liquids, not to mention the NET's. There may be some shady vendors out there, but the community does a great job of letting us know about them. Look up Box Elder sometime. This was before I started vaping.

I trust that if something bad was happening, we would certainly find out.

I just saw the thread with the chemist doing the study on the nic base. That is obscene!!

I know things have progressed here, where better ingredients are being used in the liquids. And I do realize that the majority of liquid vendors all started out pretty much the same, homebrewing, sharing with friends, and branching out from there. But I'm also a little concerned about getting something from a startup without many reviews.

When I first started vaping, I researched the crap out of all the vendors, their various liquids, how long they've been in business, how their liquids compare to others, etc. I then went with top-line vendors. Sure, I've had some nasty tasting liquids, ones that *a lot* of people liked, but I wouldn't hesitate recommending the vendor.

Edit - Wow, I just realized I repeated everything you just said. Winning!!

 

[beckdg]

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...I even think there should be some sort of guidelines on the different vaping levels. Not regulations, but more of a guideline. For example... the safest wattage range to vape at is: xxx...

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are we really at that point yet? it's not like anyone is literally toting a tethered legalvape 4000 behind them with a hookah tube and a face mask hooked up to it.

i mean, yeah, for certain things you have to know and adhere to the limits of your batteries, but that's simply because the battery technology isn't yet as advanced as we'd like them to be. it's not like you can follow every joe-vaper with a mech mod and an RDA around and make sure they don't make a shunt out of 24 gauge kanthal for a coil and use their 5 amp li-ions to power it.

how do you propose we go about this? maybe i'm not understanding.

 

[Ed_C]

I'm not sure how you know what is questionable unless you have seen the facility where the juice is made and know what all the ingredients are. Just because a vender has a slick website and makes tasty, popular juice does that make him reputable? Without oversight I'm not sure we can really know. Am I wrong?

I avoid questionable juices by not ordering from someone I've never heard of. If I see positive reviews multiple times for a vendor, I order from them. Places like Mtbakervapor, Ahlusion, Nicoticket, Prime Vaping to name a few. Also, I splurge on premium liquid like Standard Vape and Alpha.

There may be some shady vendors out there, but the community does a great job of letting us know about them. Look up Box Elder sometime. This was before I started vaping.

I trust that if something bad was happening, we would certainly find out.