Can tanks affect taste and throat hit?

[Syakster]

Hi everyone!

I've been trying all sorts of juices over the past few months and have discovered that 3mg nicotine ones are perfect for me. Very smooth, with little throat hit. What sucks though, is that 3mg juices are very hard to come by over here.

So I was exploring a newly opened vape shop last night, and they asked if I wanted to try The Beard no.5 ejuice. This is a juice I've read about and have been wanting to try, but of course they only had them in 6mg. I told them about how 6mg juices gives me really harsh throat hits and so on, but this guy just sort of looked at me straight in the eyes and said "Here, try mine. Just trust me."

And wow! It was so smooth and flavourful! I initially thought it was the juice, but he quickly told me that it was in fact, the tank. He was using a Kayfun, which I have come to learn is a very expensive tank.

I wasn't convinced though. I thought this guy was just tricking me into buying a tank, so he offered to load some of the juice into my Subtank Mini, and there I was coughing like an idiot for about 5 minutes. There was the harsh 6mg throat hit I'm so familiar with.

By now, I was half convinced to buy the tank so I asked the guy what exactly makes the tank so good? He just didn't have an explanation. He just said "All I know is, you get what you pay for." And that wasn't a good enough answer for me to justify such a big purchase.

So can someone explain to me like I'm 5, how exactly a tank can affect the smoothness of throat hit and makes the juice somewhat more flavourful than other tanks? Or do you guys think it wasn't the tank, but was some other factor?

At this point, I'm so sick of hunting for the ever so rare 3mg juices that I am highly considering getting a Kayfun if it guarantees me a smooth vaping experience like that.

Edit: I should also add that he was using a mod with temperature control. Although he wasn't saying much about the temp control, but was just raving about the tank.

 

[DingerCPA]

Hey @Syakster!

I would say, yes, tanks and toppers can have an impact on throat hit and flavor. A lot depends on the build of the tank (whether it be a stock coil or "build-your-own") Also, airflow is huge. Depending on the mod, you have the new Temperature Control players, and I hear (don't have one) that those are pretty smooth.

Was it a Kayfun? Original or Clone? Which version? To give you an example - I run Kanger Subtanks (Minis and Nanos), often with the stock OCC. I prefer the 1.2 ohm coils, but I've used the 0.5 ohm coils. I will build a 0.7-0.8 ohm build on an RDA, and I can tell immediately that the flavor is different (more intense) on the dripper than from the tank. I basically use the same device (either an iPV Mini or an iStick) so I feel like I can discount that in the results I get and attribute them more to the topper.

I have a couple kayfun clones, and I do notice a more flavorful hit, but I'm also building to about 1.5-1.8 ohms on those. I don't have huge amounts of airflow with either of mine, but many folks mention they like them because they are so flavorful....

 

[Syakster]

Hey @Syakster!

I would say, yes, tanks and toppers can have an impact on throat hit and flavor. A lot depends on the build of the tank (whether it be a stock coil or "build-your-own") Also, airflow is huge. Depending on the mod, you have the new Temperature Control players, and I hear (don't have one) that those are pretty smooth.

Was it a Kayfun? Original or Clone? Which version? To give you an example - I run Kanger Subtanks (Minis and Nanos), often with the stock OCC. I prefer the 1.2 ohm coils, but I've used the 0.5 ohm coils. I will build a 0.7-0.8 ohm build on an RDA, and I can tell immediately that the flavor is different (more intense) on the dripper than from the tank. I basically use the same device (either an iPV Mini or an iStick) so I feel like I can discount that in the results I get and attribute them more to the topper.

I have a couple kayfun clones, and I do notice a more flavorful hit, but I'm also building to about 1.5-1.8 ohms on those. I don't have huge amounts of airflow with either of mine, but many folks mention they like them because they are so flavorful....

Thanks for the input. I'm really trying to figure out whether I should invest in a new tank or a temp control mod first, since I only have the money for one of those things. I just wonder which of these two would have a more noticeable difference in smoothening out most juices for me.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Kayfun clones aren't expensive. Less than $20. And yes, they are smooth and make great flavor. They won't blow a cloud, but they are, IMHO, the best rebuildable MTL tank around. I have 2 of them and they rock.
$12.13 Kayfun Lite Styled Rebuildable Atomizer (4.5ml) - clear tank section / stainless steel / PVD coating at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
There are a dozen different styles, but this is the most common one. Kayfun Lite. The Tobeco and SM brand clones are the better made tanks.

 

[ykalon]

This one have served me well for a year now. Highly recommended!
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[djsvapour]

Yes!

I can't vape my favourite tobacco juice in a subtank... too rich, too sickly, too overpowering.

I have some amazing Kayfun clones, so agree with @Hans Wermhat

 

[Baditude]

I using an authentic Kayfun Lite Plus by Svoemesto. It can't put out the vapor of my rebuildable dripper, but the flavor production is spot on. Far better than any clearomizer or cartotank.

As stated above, Kayfun clones are relatively inexpensive. The workmanship and materials of the clones may not be exactly on par with an authentic Svoemesto, but they come pretty darn close according to those who have both.

Just some tips, Kayfun-style tanks are designed to use a coil resistance between 1.0 - 2.0 ohms. I make 1.5 ohm coils, 3.0 mm diameter of about 6 wraps with 28 gauge Kanthal wire. I followed the tutor video below for my KFL+ and got great results on the first attempt. It helps to have a blunt-tipped needle/syringe to be able to fill the Kayfuns through the bottom screw fill hole.

What Makes the Kayfun so Great?

Information Resources for Your First RBA

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[Wolfenstark]

Some tanks can be better than others but also the build /coils in the tanks come into play.
They could have been using temp control.
Could just have been a tighter air flow than you have on the subtank mini.

 

[suprtrkr]

Indeed yes, as has been said, the tank and the build in it can have a big impact on flavor. I further agree a Kayfun tank makes good flavor and a smooth hit, and that the clones do about as well as the authentics. I have a number of Kayfun tanks and they are all like that. I don't use them much because I am a lung hitter and the airflow isn't all that great for me, but if I were MTL I'd use them all the time. I conjecture the reason the KFs are so good at it is *because* of the restricted airflow; certainly they are the least flowing tanks I have. That is a guess, however, I don't know that. Let me also add 3mg juice is not hard to come by. Just buy a bottle of 6 and a bottle of 0 in the same flavor, and mix them. It's as easy as pie and works every time provided you are mixing whole bottles. Save up a couple empty bottles so you have someplace to put it, or mix in a different container and pour back. Temp control, by the way, is wonderful.

 

[cru0319]

Are you using the horizontal coils if you don't want to spend that king of money for the kayfun, i recommend trying to find the vertical coils i think they work a lot better

 

[AndriaD]

Only authentic kayfuns are expensive. Clones are very cheap; I recommend 1) Tobeco, or 2) EHPro; both are very high-quality, but I like the Tobecos better.

Andria

 

[ducaduca]

Yo check out... Yeti Vape

They have awesome tasting juice that comes in Nic-levels from 0mg-24mg in 1mg intervals.

And when I say "awesome tasting juice"...I mean Captain Crunch and Blue Jolly rancher flavors....mmmm

 

[edyle]

Hi everyone!

I've been trying all sorts of juices over the past few months and have discovered that 3mg nicotine ones are perfect for me. Very smooth, with little throat hit. What sucks though, is that 3mg juices are very hard to come by over here.

So I was exploring a newly opened vape shop last night, and they asked if I wanted to try The Beard no.5 ejuice. This is a juice I've read about and have been wanting to try, but of course they only had them in 6mg. I told them about how 6mg juices gives me really harsh throat hits and so on, but this guy just sort of looked at me straight in the eyes and said "Here, try mine. Just trust me."

And wow! It was so smooth and flavourful! I initially thought it was the juice, but he quickly told me that it was in fact, the tank. He was using a Kayfun, which I have come to learn is a very expensive tank.

I wasn't convinced though. I thought this guy was just tricking me into buying a tank, so he offered to load some of the juice into my Subtank Mini, and there I was coughing like an idiot for about 5 minutes. There was the harsh 6mg throat hit I'm so familiar with.

By now, I was half convinced to buy the tank so I asked the guy what exactly makes the tank so good? He just didn't have an explanation. He just said "All I know is, you get what you pay for." And that wasn't a good enough answer for me to justify such a big purchase.

So can someone explain to me like I'm 5, how exactly a tank can affect the smoothness of throat hit and makes the juice somewhat more flavourful than other tanks? Or do you guys think it wasn't the tank, but was some other factor?

At this point, I'm so sick of hunting for the ever so rare 3mg juices that I am highly considering getting a Kayfun if it guarantees me a smooth vaping experience like that.

Edit: I should also add that he was using a mod with temperature control. Although he wasn't saying much about the temp control, but was just raving about the tank.

It is not so much the tank as the coil that is in the tank that has the greatest influence on flavor.

 

[AndriaD]

It is not so much the tank as the coil that is in the tank that has the greatest influence on flavor.

The placement of the airflow, the amount of airflow, and the shape of the inner chamber are ALL significant factors on flavor.

Andria

 

[edyle]

Thanks for the input. I'm really trying to figure out whether I should invest in a new tank or a temp control mod first, since I only have the money for one of those things. I just wonder which of these two would have a more noticeable difference in smoothening out most juices for me.

a tank should cost alot less than a temperature controlled mod.
I'd hold on buying a temp controlled mod; they will likely evolve alot over then next year.

Meanwhile instead of getting a full tank, maybe consider an rda. Pretty simple, indestructible, and usually cheap; great way to experiment with flavors.

And as for 3mg, you could by vg (glycerine) and add 10% water and use that to dilute you eliquid.

 

[Wolfenstark]

The placement of the airflow, the amount of airflow, and the shape of the inner chamber are ALL significant factors on flavor.

Andria

True Andria but I'm wondering what would make the vape on one tank harsher than another.
If the same juice , so whats left , coils - wraps -single/dual , watts being used , airflow.

Ive gone from tank to tank and now dripper to dripper and with most things equal, the flavour may be different in some but the same juice is not harsh in one and smooth in another.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

My ADV in my KFL is a DIY pear, peach, strawberry 70% VG, 3mg. If I put it in a dripper it burns my throat.

 

[AndriaD]

True Andria but I'm wondering what would make the vape on one tank harsher than another.
If the same juice , so whats left , coils - wraps -single/dual , watts being used , airflow.

Ive gone from tank to tank and now dripper to dripper and with most things equal, the flavour may be different in some but the same juice is not harsh in one and smooth in another.

The height of the coil can be a big factor; I found that true in my Kayfuns, and now also in my Achilles. If I build too low, it's not satisfying; if I build too high, it's too intense -- somewhere between the two extremes is "just right".

Changing attys can also be a factor -- when I first got a Kayfun, after my first couple of months vaping on BCC tanks, the TH just about knocked me down. Same when I first got an Achilles.

I also recently found that the metal of the coil can be a factor -- I just don't like the vape from titanium; I prefer kanthal, so my TC experiments are over for the moment.

Andria

 

[edyle]

True Andria but I'm wondering what would make the vape on one tank harsher than another.
If the same juice , so whats left , coils - wraps -single/dual , watts being used , airflow.

Ive gone from tank to tank and now dripper to dripper and with most things equal, the flavour may be different in some but the same juice is not harsh in one and smooth in another.

It could be harsh with 6mg at 30 watts on a subox compared to 6mg at 15 watts on a kayfun.

 

[Completely Average]

I'm going to go against the grain here.

I've got 4 Kayfuns, and they all sit in a box unused. I MUCH prefer my Squape R to the old Kayfuns. It has several major advantages.

1. You can remove the deck without having to empty the tank. That alone is a HUGE advantage over the Kayfun.
2. It's far easier to build your coil on it. No guess work on getting the height right, no balancing act as you're trying to secure the legs while holding the coil straight, no worrying about shorts. The decks have guide grooves to set your jig in and the deck itself is non-conductive. Just set your jig in the grooves, wrap the coil legs around the screws and tighten.
3. Wicking is FAR easier. Just run your wick through the coil and trim it flush with the edge of the deck. Give it a light flush, wet it down with juice, and you're done. Even a child could do it. No worrying about blocking juice channels, getting the wicks low enough, or any of the other typical Kayfun caveats.
4. FAR better airflow adjustments. 6 different settings ranging from .9mm to 3.1mm lets you choose anything from a really tight draw like the Kayfun to enough air to take lung hits with.
5. Swappable decks. There are 5 different types of decks for different types of coils. Want a typical Kayfun build, use the S deck, want to run high VG juice and a fat cotton wick, use the W deck, want a dual coil build, use the D deck with it's two air holes and separate juice channels for each coil, want a dripper style build, use the B deck where the wick sits in a pool of juice in the well. The different decks are easy to swap out and click into place.

Flavor from the tank is excellent, surpassing the Kayfun, and the versatility the different decks give you allow you a much wider range of smoothness,flavor, and vapor production than the Kayfun could ever dream of. If you want to Subohm you can't really do that on the Kayfun Lite, but you can with the Squape R. Temperature control builds are far better on the Squape R with it's W deck and non-conductive coating.

This video gives you an excellent walk through of just how easy this tank is to work with. If you want to cut to the chase, skip to the 8:55 mark and start there.



The authentic Squape R is quite expensive, but EhPro makes an excellent clone that can be easily found for around $35.