Can We Stop Recommending the Subtank/Atlantis to New Vapers Please? IT'S NOTHING LIKE A CIGARETTE

[TheJakeBailey]

I would absolutely recommend a subtank to a smoker looking for a vape recommendation. I would also let them try mine, or any other equipment i have that they may want to try. I can't tell them what they want, I can only tell them what has worked for me. I'm not saying that everything new is better, but I sure am happier with my vape nowadays than I was a year and a half ago. Why should they go through the same pain? I'm still giving away protanks and Iclears from the old gear stash...

Furthermore... Nothing about vaping is really anything like smoking. (except the inhaling and exhaling part.) I think it's better to snatch that thought away right at the beginning. This isn't smoking. You can make the change, or continue to smoke. Up to you, not me.

 

[Vapenstein]

wait, you mean not everybody hits a Troll RDA at 30-40w/.5 ohm for 5-6 second direct lung inhales? huh?

but seriously, I would tell people to start off with a KFL+ or K4 and if they like it, then try an ST Mini. My experience with the ST Mini is that people who already vape love it when they try it, and it changes the way they vape. Coming from cigarettes the Kayfun experience is going to be a lot more accessible. The ST Mini is a genius tank though. It provides you with a fantastic sub ohm vape with little effort. I would much rather vape my ST Mini than drip all day, so Kanger changed how I vape in more ways than one. It's a watershed product IMO.

 

[hottuna1]

inspects , what exactly is a Vision Spinner ? I am looking for something other than a aspire ecig , although i do like it .

 

[tj99959]

This is from people that have been vaping for a while and have evolved beyond just wanting to mimic smoking.
Vaping does offer so much more - ( Granted at first many are after mimicking smoking) people are just advising for the future based on their path.
I haven't read of smoking being a hobby or people building and buying various smokes.

You just never saw my selection of pipe tobaccos and cigars

I'm old school and still start folks out with an eGo battery & a cartomizer, knowing full well that in a month they will want to upgrade.
Lesson #1 is and always has been learning that a cigarette tastes like crap in comparison. It doesn't take a $50 clearo tank to learn that.

 

[cope]

the frustrating thing abought new vapers is they start with total krap most of the time. they get shocked with the price of stuff. but i quickly learned i needed good gear if this was going to stop me from returning to cigs. i wanted air flow and bigger clouds to mimick smoking. but if thats what someone wants they need all the info they can get..

 

[OlderNDirt]

There are just way too many variables for a standard recommendation for those starting vaping.

My simple approach is to suggest a relatively simple system, 2 sets pen style vv with simple tank (Kanger T3). Then let them determine if they even want/need something bigger/better. I don't even know that many vapers, but my niece who got me started, has been vaping for a couple years and is still using that simple system and is completely satisfied and still off the smokes. Deciding what your own wants/needs are is a major part of the world of vaping.

 

[beckdg]

definitely must gauge a persons priorities here since we can't let them try our gear.

tough to tell whether a person needs to mimic a tight draw, throat hit, mouth full of texture or to breathe easier on their inhale... especially when they're guessing at best... and over the interwebz to boot.

for me, i tried...
a friends cigalike... no bueno... i chained smoked a few cigs after chain vaping to dry hits.
a friends ego... ditto...
regulated w/protank... too tight with anemic vapor... and too finicky... i smoked a lot before switching, but i made this work... i was far from pleasant to be around, though
TCC... hated it...
single coil dripper... kept plugging at this one... getting closer... getting closer...
every other category on the market at the time...
getting closer...
REO... almost there...
dual coil + REO... still getting closer...
sub ohm... closer
sub ohm + huge air... closer... (works on the mechs, but the REO needs daily care...)

 

[BrushyHillGuide]

I would absolutely recommend a subtank to a smoker looking for a vape recommendation. I would also let them try mine, or any other equipment i have that they may want to try. I can't tell them what they want, I can only tell them what has worked for me. I'm not saying that everything new is better, but I sure am happier with my vape nowadays than I was a year and a half ago. Why should they go through the same pain? I'm still giving away protanks and Iclears from the old gear stash...

Furthermore... Nothing about vaping is really anything like smoking. (except the inhaling and exhaling part.) I think it's better to snatch that thought away right at the beginning. This isn't smoking. You can make the change, or continue to smoke. Up to you, not me.

THIS^^

I WISH that I would have had an option like an Atlantis on a Sigelei 100W when I started vaping. I would have saved hundreds upon hundreds of dollars. The only real similarity (IMO) to smoking is the sensation of vapor hitting your throat, filling your lungs and providing something to exhale, like smoke. The type of draw (mouth-2-lung or lung inhale) was far less important than what it provided. At least for me, I left mouth-2-lung behind pretty quickly because what I was chasing was thick vapor production and I was very willing to change my inhale for a better inhale that gave me an experience more similar to smoking.

All we can do is share our OWN experience and preferences through our advice. For the OP to claim that there's a 'proper' way to advise newbies is preposterous. I'll share my own experience and they'll either take to vaping or they won't. It's not really my problem. Switching to vaping is more about a desire to quit smoking than anything. I quit using crappy cigalikes that tasted like crap, because it's all I knew about (3 years ago) and I wanted off cigarettes badly enough. If device choice keeps someone from vaping (and 'on' cigarettes), then they weren't truly ready to quit.



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[milescadre]

I find most people typically start either on the cigalikes (Blu, Fin, Etc), or the Ego styles (like with a ce4 atty). With the exception of the new blu tanks, flavor and vapor production on the cigalikes are barely acceptable to me, but on the egos, its non existant. But, people sill buy them and use them.

If someone comes to me and asks me "what do you recommend?" I'm going to recommend what has worked for me. Currently, that is subtank mini.

PS, Subtank mini on its smallest air hole has proven to be tighter than any carto draw I ever have had before, just a fyi.

 

[r12773]

When asked by a smoker wanting to quit, I usually recommend that they keep it simple and focus on not smoking. I usually recommend a Vision Spinner 2 with a simple tank like a Protank or Nautilus. I also make sure to tell them that they should come to this site and do their own research. This site was what finally pushed me to pull the trigger and buy a 510 many years ago. The 510 was a pain in the ... to use compared to devices today, but at the time it was more about quitting and not really about the device.

I just switch to an Atlantis and I probably would have liked it back then. A year ago I would never have suggested sub ohms to a new smoker and was not interest in it myself, but now I might suggest it with the new products that are out from Aspire, Joyetech and iLeaf. The flavor is better and the draw is more satisfying compared to my Protank 2, which is what I was using. The no mess no fuss setups are what I look for in a device and I would assume that someone new to vapping is looking for the same thing.

 

[bullet08]

i started with blu. after hand ful of them, i went to mech mod. took me few min to get used to lung hit and that was it. it depends on what the new person wants.

 

[WillyZee]

every smoker who I've let try my Provari with Kayfun V2+ ... has said dayum, that is some serious smoke

then I tell them ... you gotta be serious about quitting smokes ... this thing costs 3 cartons

 

[ismokeinbinary]

I guess I was one of the only direct lung cigarette smokers..
Anyhow, I started on a mini protank 2 and wanted more vapor and airflow, ended up with a mini nautilus, soon upgrading to a lemo. I would've enjoyed having a tank with an rba section from the get-go. I'd recommend a subtank to a new vaper..

 

[crxess]

K.I.S.S.
Keep It Simple Stupid

And Subtanks, Regulated Mods, Mechanical Mods................. Not so simple for the uninformed. Just read some of the Post right here on ECF

Emulate Cigarette - Not really. I always spend time talking with a New or considering Vapor and try to advise against anything that looks/feels like a thing they are trying to get away from.

KISS - A simple Stick Battery(maybe vv)/Clearo Combo to Support Nicotine intake.

Now, if they Only Smokes Big Fat Cigars and Filled the Den with heavy Clouds of smoke - Sub-ohm Tanks and High power Mods may be the way to go.

Allow the New Vapor time to adapt, learn and choose for themselves what may be their preference, not ours. We already have Government trying to make enough decisions for us.

 

[skoony]

This is from people that have been vaping for a while and have evolved beyond just wanting to mimic smoking.
Vaping does offer so much more - ( Granted at first many are after mimicking smoking) people are just advising for the future based on their path.
I haven't read of smoking being a hobby or people building and buying various smokes.

i think most of us would be better served by walking the path.
regards
mike

 

[Amraann]

I guess I was one of the only direct lung cigarette smokers..
Anyhow, I started on a mini protank 2 and wanted more vapor and airflow, ended up with a mini nautilus, soon upgrading to a lemo. I would've enjoyed having a tank with an rba section from the get-go. I'd recommend a subtank to a new vaper..

I was going to comment about that as well. Almost all of the smokers I know inhale into their lungs.

 

[edyle]

I've been seeing this more and more. "Oh get a Subtank, it has such great flavor!"
A newly ex-smoker doesn't want a Subtank. They want to emulate a cigarette. Even with the airflow turned down to a quarter of one hole on my Subtank it's still waaaay more airy than I wanted when I started vaping. I've come to find that the Atlantis/Subtank are basically worthless if you aren't lung inhaling. Most smokers don't lung inhale, ergo most recently quit smokers won't either.

Sure these new cloudomizers (see what I did there? I want credit for that) are cool and lots of fun, but the great majority of people coming blindly into vaping will not be interested in them. Had you handed me a Subtank when I started vaping I would have found it unusable, not just because of wattage issues but because of the airflow.

Just something to consider when giving out advice, solicited or otherwise.

The so-called "subtank" is just a clearomizer that comes with an optional coil head actually designed to be rebuildable.
It means that if a new vaper on a tight budget bought one - and lets call it a protank5 instead if that helps - then he could keep buying replacement heads at first, then if he wanted to save money later on, he could start using the rebuildable head instead of having to go buy a whole other tank.


The whole melting insulator fiasco is very unsettling though, so I'm hesitant to recommend the subtank.

 

[Bikenstein]

Most people in this area start on the stick battery kits. They are not only less intimidating and cheaper, but that's what they are introduced to at all the flavor bars at the B&M's. People seem to not want to make a big investment in something they are unsure of. These have helped many here to get off cigs. Most people I talk with want a tobacco that can mimic their current cigarette as close as possible. So it's more about the juice to them. They can be swayed to try another type flavor as long as they know they can get their "nicotine fix". It's all about being satisfied enough to refrain from smoking for most. They know their habit consists of periodically having to stick something to their lips and puff on it and get relaxation. But to start using something much larger than a cigarette is moving away from their comfort zone. You can offer advice but you can no more pick a setup for them than you can for me or any other vapor. They may be like one of the many friends I have that stick to pen style bats and toppers permanently. But if you do talk them in to a Sigelei 100w with an Atlantis, you might just see them next time with an istick 50 and a Joyetech Delta ll and they'll be tryin to sell you on it wishin they had bought it instead.

 

[Johnivan69]

So I started vaping last month and my main priorities were:
Nicotine delivery
Taste
Won't break in a week
I did a bunch of research here, elsewhere on the inerwebs and at a B&M. I finally pulled the trigger on an iPV mini and a nautilus and have been smoke free since.
I think the most important thing, which was mentioned earlier is to listen, or in our case, ask questions like what are you looking for. What do you want out of a set-up? Do you want simple? Something similar to an analog? Etc.
Just my 3 cents (adjusted for inflation) but really, it's about getting people off the analogs. Individual results may vary....

 

[gpjoe]

The OP makes a fair point, but I could have saved a LOT of cash if I had gotten a iStick 30 and Subtank Mini right out of the gate. It is a much more efficient nicotine delivery system and thereby more satisfying, IMO. It does require a modification in the way you inhale, but it isn't smoking and it works.

As long as the "newb" understands that, I see no harm.