Can We Stop Recommending the Subtank/Atlantis to New Vapers Please? IT'S NOTHING LIKE A CIGARETTE

[Jovey]

Like some here has already said, i wished i had known more about the better quality tanks, i.e. Nautilus Mini/Kanger/etc when i first started vaping. I became very frustrated with burning out coils and it was only out of ignorance on my part because i wasn't quite understanding the W/V/Ohms law. Not to mention that i wasn't getting the better flavor, throat hit, inhale sensation etc as i eventually got after purchasing the nautilus mini. So yeah, i wished someone had educated me a bit more on what different type of tanks do and how they can effect my vaping experience. I actually slipped a few times and smoked an analog out of the frustration i was having with the cheaper tanks.

So yeah, in my opinion as vapors....the more we learn and get experience under our belts, it's our duty to inform new vapors of their choices and then let them decide what fits them. It gives them a better chance of getting off the analogs for good and as long as we educate them correctly and let them decide, then no harm done and LOTS of money saved for them.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

I really agree with the OP. Even though I now lung hit and mainly use my atlantis@30watts. But when I first transitioned over to E-cigs I wouldn't have wanted to lung hit anything. I don't smoke weed and to me, at the time, Lung hitting sounded like a borderline type thing. Things have changed sure enough and now days I prefer the short, direct, intense puff that a direct inhale gives....All I'm saying is that at the minimum the Sub ohm type tanks should be recommended with the Caveat that lung hits work best on those devices and then let the consumer decide.

 

[Bikenstein]

I still use a Kanger T3S on a VV3 for vapin tobacco flavors. I drip and sub ohm too but like the convenience of tanks and more power for fuit, coffee and dessert flavors. I just don't want or need a big hit for Tobacco flavors but still enjoy them.

 

[roxynoodle]

Hard to eat anything on a crotch rocket with a full face helmet on

 

[VaPreis]

Vaping is not smoking. There's no reason not to recommend quality equipment to a new vaper or someone who's interested in vaping.

Better off buying a nice setup such as the Subtank Mini and any number of reasonably priced higher wattage mods right off the bat. Wish a product like that was available when I started vaping.

FWIW, as a MTL vaper, I find the smallest setting on the Subtank Mini far to restrictive. They got the all the angles covered.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

Vaping is not smoking. There's no reason not to recommend quality equipment to a new vaper or someone who's interested in vaping.

Better off buying a nice setup such as the Subtank Mini and any number of reasonably priced higher wattage mods right off the bat. Wish a product like that was available when I started vaping.

FWIW, as a MTL vaper, I find the smallest setting on the Subtank Mini far to restrictive. They got the all the angles covered.

I'd recommend an Aspire mini and an Istick to a new vaper before recommending a Sub-ohm set up of Tank and the appropriate Battery.. K.I.S.S. you know?

 

[AndriaD]

I still use a Kanger T3S on a VV3 for vapin tobacco flavors. I drip and sub ohm too but like the convenience of tanks and more power for fuit, coffee and dessert flavors. I just don't want or need a big hit for Tobacco flavors but still enjoy them.

I've tried a couple times since getting my kayfuns, to get the T3Ss back outta the drawer and get them going with my own coils (I first learned to make coils on those!)... but I can't seem to wick them anymore; after about 2 hits, all I can get is burnt dry hit.

Andria

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

The Istick Mini with an Aspire Nautilus Mini on top is a good set up for a newbie and it's pocket friendly...​

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[VaPreis]

I'd recommend an Aspire mini and an Istick to a new vaper before recommending a Sub-ohm set up of Tank and the appropriate Battery.. K.I.S.S. you know?

Stick a Subtank Mini on top of the iStick 30 or 50 Watt, and it's no more complicated or dangerous then the Aspire Mini is.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

Stick a Subtank Mini on top of the iStick 30 or 50 Watt, and it's no more complicated or dangerous then the Aspire Mini is.

And a Ferrari will get you to work the same as a Ford focus but where do we place an inexperienced beginner?

 

[Mark1963]

Here's how I look at it......

I started vaping full time on April 1 last year. No more cigs. Before that, I was doing cigalikes (V2 Cigs). After stopping cigarettes, the V2's weren't doing it for me. I saw a cheap mod with a wick tank. So, I started researching this stuff (and this was before finding this place). I started with Spinners and finally got an Evic with a Aspire Nautilus. The Nauty had a deformed glass tank I found out later (gurgled a lot). I wasn't satisfied. So I started buying Kanger stuff (Mega, Mini, etc). Those weren't bad tanks. Then I graduated to a Provari V2. Then I found BeyondVape's Silo that used Nauty heads. That thing is a dream for a tank. Now I'm using an iStick 30 and 50W. I also have the Sigelei 100W. I didn't like box mods before that, but the Sigelei changed all that. I now own a Kanger Subtank and two Kanger Mini's.

Long story short...... it's a progression. If someone dives right in to the expensive stuff, they might get frustrated and go back to analogs. Get 'em started on the basics and let them progress on their own.

 

[r12773]

Like some here has already said, i wished i had known more about the better quality tanks, i.e. Nautilus Mini/Kanger/etc when i first started vaping. I became very frustrated with burning out coils and it was only out of ignorance on my part because i wasn't quite understanding the W/V/Ohms law. Not to mention that i wasn't getting the better flavor, throat hit, inhale sensation etc as i eventually got after purchasing the nautilus mini. So yeah, i wished someone had educated me a bit more on what different type of tanks do and how they can effect my vaping experience. I actually slipped a few times and smoked an analog out of the frustration i was having with the cheaper tanks.

So yeah, in my opinion as vapors....the more we learn and get experience under our belts, it's our duty to inform new vapors of their choices and then let them decide what fits them. It gives them a better chance of getting off the analogs for good and as long as we educate them correctly and let them decide, then no harm done and LOTS of money saved for them.

Grats on quitting and keep it up even if you slip. Something else I recommend is that once they settle on a setup, I tell them to make sure to have a backup tank, 3 batteries and 2 -4 atomizers. Even though it has been many years since I stopped smoking and Brick and Mortar shops are on every corner, I still keep at least two weeks of vaping supplies on hand.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

What experience do you NEED for a subtank??? As long as you have the required device to run it on, you don't need any experience at all. This isn't the days of "Sub ohm" being a naughty word. Nobody here is recommending a mech and a .1 build in an rda. This is a replaceable coil clearo for pete's sake. why I WOULD recommend it, is because it has so many options in one device. Almost an unlimited range of airflow. from lung hit to very tight mouth to lung. You can get a sub ohm coil, or you can get a 1 ohm coil. Want to try your hand at rebuilding next month, you can do that as well. All in one tank... I think it's an absolutely stellar suggestion for a new vapor, because they can make it whatever they want it to be, and they can make it something else when they change their minds in a week.

 

[AndriaD]

I think the entire point was that a subtank has too much airflow for someone who's just switching from cigs; very few people smoke using lung-inhales, unless they're smoking something other than tobacco, and most who switch to vaping want something that's at least similar to the sensation of drawing on a cigarette -- I've been vaping over a year, and I STILL don't like airy vapes or do the lung-hitting thing, probably never will, because it's nothing like smoking cigarettes, which for me is the entire point of vaping: a substitute for smoking.

Now if someone comes in and says, I don't smoke like most people, I lung-hit my cigarettes like I'm smoking {other stuff}; what can I vape that will be similar? THEN a subtank would be a good recommendation.

Andria

 

[VaPreis]

I think the entire point was that a subtank has too much airflow for someone who's just switching from cigs; very few people smoke using lung-inhales, unless they're smoking something other than tobacco, and most who switch to vaping want something that's at least similar to the sensation of drawing on a cigarette -- I've been vaping over a year, and I STILL don't like airy vapes or do the lung-hitting thing, probably never will, because it's nothing like smoking cigarettes, which for me is the entire point of vaping: a substitute for smoking.

Now if someone comes in and says, I don't smoke like most people, I lung-hit my cigarettes like I'm smoking {other stuff}; what can I vape that will be similar? THEN a subtank would be a good recommendation.

Andria

The Subtank Mini is adjustable from wide open to nothing. A full range of adjustment is available within the 3rd position alone. So that particular point is moot.

 

[alicewonderland]

maybe we should recomend the subtanks minis now. I do agree that a wide airy lung hit vape would have not pleased me when i first tried vaping. I still dislike it as of this day. When I first started Ecigds i wanted something like a cigalike, but as soon as i got one i wanted to puff on it constantly and the battery just kept running out, maybe its just me but i doubt there are any cigalikes that will keep most heavy smokers happy, unless they buy like 10 of em and keep em in rotation lol.

 

[VaPreis]

And a Ferrari will get you to work the same as a Ford focus but where do we place an inexperienced beginner?

In the Ferrari, of course. Especially seeing as the Ferrari only costs $30 and is well capable of traveling at the same speed limit as the Focus if that's what's desired.

 

[Cloudhound]

I think it's important to encourage a new vaper to try some things out before they buy. I wasted a lot of money on various devices before I finally got what was best for me. No advise would have been "good" advise because we all approach this so differently and have different needs. I think there is "bad" advise in the way of telling people to spend big money on devices they may not want/need, or leading them down a dangerous path when they're not ready. But I think it's important to explain was has worked and what hasn't for us, with an appropriate disclaimer about the individuality of this journey.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

The Subtank Mini is adjustable from wide open to nothing. A full range of adjustment is available within the 3rd position alone. So that particular point is moot.

No the point is not Moot...A 0.5 ohm coil Needs a certain amount of airflow going across it. It was designed for that airflow... Your acting like its a "One tank fits all" type situation which it isn't. There is a reason why the tank doesn't have smaller stock airflow selections. Drop a .5 coil in an Rda and pinch off most of the airflow and then tell me it doesn't affect the quality of the vape. Even PBusardo and Demitri said it doesn't work well for most MTL's BUT...If you insist on the sub-ohm recommendation to newbies please be responsible and explain a bit of
ohms law and why it wont be safe to use on an ordinary Ego type battery. and just in case they purchase a mod with a removable battery explain to them about the c rating on Batteries and the dangers of inferior Batteries. You know, Do the right thing...

 

[TheJakeBailey]

No the point is not Moot...A 0.5 ohm coil Needs a certain amount of airflow going across it. It was designed for that airflow... Your acting like its a "One tank fits all" type situation which it isn't. There is a reason why the tank doesn't have smaller stock airflow selections. Drop a .5 coil in an Rda and pinch off most of the airflow and then tell me it doesn't affect the quality of the vape. Even PBusardo and Demitri said it doesn't work well for most MTL's BUT...If you insist on the sub-ohm recommendation to newbies please be responsible and explain a bit of
ohms law and why it wont be safe to use on an ordinary Ego type battery. and just in case they purchase a mod with a removable battery explain to them about the c rating on Batteries and the dangers of inferior Batteries. You know, Do the right thing...

I just did exactly what you suggested and cranked it down to a single hole. I ALSO turned the wattage on my mod down to 10 watts. It vaped fine. And by fine, I mean vastly superior to a protank, or god forbid anything with a CE at the beginning of it. I stand by my statement that there is absolutely no reason a newbie should have to suffer with crappy hardware. There's no reason a newb should have start with an EGO battery either, for that matter. For the price of a starter kit at most B&M's, they could get something that most vapoers would be far happier with in the short AND long runs. We went through all of the trial and error so that they don't have to.