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Discussion in 'General Cannabis Discussion' started by Misty, Sep 10, 2019.

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  1. Bad Ninja

    Bad Ninja Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 26, 2013
    God's Country
    Whoa... Cannabis discussion on ECF? Am I in the right place???

    Before regulations/recreational was officially even on the table, areas like Riverside County, picked certain areas to zone for growing commercially. The politicians' "friends" gobbled up the real estate, leveled the buildings and built grow structures they could rent for ridiculous rates per sq ft.

    Then the Riverside Sheriffs Dept. Raided and shut down as many large medicinal grows as they could find.

    Then regulations/legalization was announced, along with zoning and taxes, state, county, city, licenses, permits. Hundreds of thousands of dollars before you add in the massive amount of a lease.

    Outdoor grows pay a $25 per sq ft land use tax. That a million dollars per acre, per year, before you so much as kick dirt.
    Outdoor primo norcal bud sells for only about $600 a pound in Cali. Less wholesale/bulk.
    There is no way they will survive.

    The growers will eventually fail, and another will take their place with green dreams of making a fortune.

    This happened virtually all across the state, as stoners were all celebrating recreational pot.
    The crooked CA government sucked the profit out of the industry, because they hate the lack of control they have over it.
    In CA MMJ laws are written into the state Constitution, so it takes an actual vote to undo it.

    Also, the IRS looks as growing pot as an illegitimate business, so you do not get to write off any expenses.

    Banks don't want to take cash deposits from growers due to federal prohibition, as they could be charged with laundering funds from criminal activity.

    It's a racket for the state that creates a ripe environment for crime, and ensures a black market for them to make new felons out of, who then lose a few specific rights.

    Chess not checkers.

    I'm so glad I left that state... lol.
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  2. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    Whoa! I pay less than that in rent for some pretty nice office space for my business!
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  3. Bad Ninja

    Bad Ninja Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 26, 2013
    God's Country
    Yup. But that's not rent. That's a tax paid to the govt.
    Grow space rent costs tens of thousands per month, with thousands more in electric, water, nutrient costs, etc.
    They gutted the industry.

    CA government has totally lost their minds.
    Greedy, needy, and corrupt to the core.
    MMJ and legalization cut into the cartels' bottom line, so the politicians were told to fix the "problem".
    You see, Mexican dirt weed doesn't sell in Cali. You can get it for a few bucks a pound.
    Only really top shelf indoor sells for top dollar.
    Cartels' don't grow indoor medicinal.

    I shuttered a successful business and left that state in the rearview.

    I won't even return to visit friends.
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  4. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    In more ways that one. In fact, in just about every way imaginable. But this is certainly not the place to list all the details. :laugh:
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  5. Sloth Tonight

    Sloth Tonight CF Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jun 25, 2014
    Correct, it's not.
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  6. claybuster

    claybuster Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 28, 2012
    Agreed. Never know, could save a life.

    I tell my kids stay away from both the THC pens and the CBD oil for I guess the same reasons most other would you really know what's in it and where it comes from? Unregulated market? Care for some Fentanyl residue from the illegal lab in the Xinjiang province? Even if it comes from a legitimate store/dispensary, do they know their source? Customs will seize synthetic compounds masquerading as legitimate products all day long at LAX, CHI, JFK, etc. I'm glad my kids seem to be listening and avoid the CBD and THC vaping products. I'm not so sure about my oldest daughters boyfriend though. This kid really enjoys these CBD oils and purchases at local vape shops. I hope and think my daughter does stay away, but not so sure 100% because of the boyfriend. With the recent rash of deaths unfortunately, may have helped convince, dear old dad may be right after all.
  7. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    Metro ATL
    I'm pretty sure early reports stated that some of the THC that caused the issues allegedly came from legal dispensaries, so those may be a better choice, but no guarantee. I haven't seen any recent issues, so hopefully the biggest danger has passed?
  8. mightymen

    mightymen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 22, 2012
    There goes my other option.

    Marijuana and heart health: What you need to know - Harvard Health
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  9. AttyPops

    AttyPops Yeah, I type stuff. ECF Veteran

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    Yeah, that's when they burn it.
    IDK how much of that translates to eating it.

    What I don't understand about all this (not a user) is....THC is oil soluble, right? So even "approved" THC vapes from reputable vendors...don't they have oils in them? Sure, they're not cut with Vit-E-a by unscrupulous street dealers, I understand that. Maybe some legit vendors used it for dosage control innocently, but disregarding that....

    Don't ALL THC products have oils since THC is oil soluble??????????

    Is vaping THC ever safe in any form?
  10. AttyPops

    AttyPops Yeah, I type stuff. ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Good luck, dad.

    Glad you're educating her. With facts. Smartest thing you can do.
  11. FringeChief68

    FringeChief68 Kingsguard Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 10, 2013
    Pittsburgh, Pa, USA
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  12. Budgie45

    Budgie45 Full Member

    Feb 12, 2020
    the ... has fell out of the weed market,
    You can buy an once of indoor weed for $100 in San Francisco ,you got to a club there looking $50 an 1/8 plus tax..

    but you can grow 4 plants at home in sf it’s legal,Berger growing your own you know what going into it

  13. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    Metro ATL
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  14. Rob B.

    Rob B. Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    :lol: Maybe Budgie45 partook a little too much before posting. stoner emoji.gif
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  15. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    Metro ATL
    Yeah, nobody should be Berger growing at 3:00 am.
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  16. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    Yummybud? Is that you?
    Hard Mode for the win!

    Watch your speed Mr. Jones,
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  17. Budgie45

    Budgie45 Full Member

    Feb 12, 2020
    I don’t do the weed vape pens,never liked them even before the fake ones came out

    I just grow and smoke
    My own bud,and yes you can buy an ounce of weed good indoor weed in sanfrancisco for $100 if you know the right people. You don’t get a lot of oil in the vape pens for the price they are asking for them,
  18. 440BB

    440BB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 19, 2011
    The Motor City
    That's the going price at shops in Oregon. Saturated market, I guess.
  19. Budgie45

    Budgie45 Full Member

    Feb 12, 2020
    I never buy from the clubs in San Francisco
    Like everything in this city it’s way over priced


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