Thanks I would really appreciate it. Any other ideas on how to make it hotter besides that in case it doesn't work?
Can't say enough good things!!
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I have read that people making the cinnamon bomb type flavor using Flavor Apprentice Red Hots and a touch of Clove. Might be interesting to try. I do not do cinnamon so I cannot give you any personal experience here.
I can have the butter tested, better safe then sorry
We tested Capellas Vanilla Custard last year and found Diactyl, even though they claimed it didnt contain it.. thus I will not carry them, sorry!
I would really like to see analysis of this report. Do you have a copy that you can show us?
This post came to my attention in the Capella's thread saying that Capella's Vanilla Custard contains Diactyl. This is very untrue and contacted Capella's directly. Within minutes of voicing my concern I received an email from Tom with this lab report.
In this lab report basically states there is NO DIACTYL in his vanilla custard. Of course every lab adheres to tolerances as in this case it is .4% which as you can see if what the percentage is says. Which indictates no traces of diactyl.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a5zHO0dlhn2AlvV96heNz2X-Y_dnESaEbV_cM13eUpw/edit
So saying that Capellas Vanilla Custard contains diactyl is entirely untrue.
If acetoin converts to minute amounts of diacetyl, as you have in the past stated it does, than many of TFA's flavors would also fall into this category yet you sell her flavorings. This really upsets me Kimberly and I will no longer be a customer of yours.
I would also like to see visual proof of the Report that Kimmerpuff is referencing that states Capella's has diacetyl. ToweKnee has posted proof. I would like to see Kimmerpuff's posted proof. Please and thank you.
Wow hey guys even if she got bad information are you really gonna be mad at someone for erring on the side of caution and doing her best to protect her customers? I myself would rather she be wrong trying to keep me safe than not care and just want to make a buck!
Capella is by far the best flavoring company and strictly follows all FDA regulations and California Health & Safety codes, they do it right. It's the easiest flavoring for new DIYers to use and get great results without getting discouraged. For Kim to say she doesn't sell it because it contains diacetyl is not doing her customers right IMO. You never get a perfume taste from any of Capella's flavors, they use the best ingredients. They established themselves many years ago in the food and drink industry as the best and they don't NEED the vaping community to keep them in business.
When I see new DIYers failing and even considering giving up vaping because of the flavorings they're using it does upset me to see a post like Kim made, especially since it isn't true and is inflammatory and I'm very disappointed that she hasn't responded. I admit my post was a bit too emotional but I honestly think it's doing people a disservice to lead them to believe TFA is a better quality than Capella, it isn't even close to the same quality.
I've been doing DIY for two years and 90% of my flavorings are Capella. I understand that vendors can't make as much money selling them as they do when they sell TFA but please don't use diacetyl as the excuse not to carry them.
When I see new DIYers failing and even considering giving up vaping because of the flavorings they're using it does upset me to see a post like Kim made, especially since it isn't true and is inflammatory and I'm very disappointed that she hasn't responded. I admit my post was a bit too emotional but I honestly think it's doing people a disservice to lead them to believe TFA is a better quality than Capella, it isn't even close to the same quality.
I've been doing DIY for two years and 90% of my flavorings are Capella. I understand that vendors can't make as much money selling them as they do when they sell TFA but please don't use diacetyl as the excuse not to carry them.
Good you know I respect your opinions and I see what you are trying to say I was just saying I don't think she was trying to bash capella. I think she is just doing her best to be a responsible supplier. After the box elder thing I appreciate that. I think she is just going by the report she got back from the lab from what I see maybe its the lab that you should be upset with?
I also get that capella has a ummm devoted fan base and that right now there is a heated debate in some threads. Kim has been very fair to a lot of us and really does deserve the benefit of the doubt though.
I also get that capella has a ummm devoted fan base and that right now there is a heated debate in some threads. Kim has been very fair to a lot of us and really does deserve the benefit of the doubt though.
+1 . I fully agree especially with the last comment.. The proof is there and still gets ignored. If its a issue of safety ,have you looked into the speculations on the possible issue with TFA flavors too . I would be interested in the documents on all this stuff since that would be the only way to know the truth .
Also written on Capellas site
Our Flavors are Food Grade Flavorings , and are DIACETYL FREE.
NOT PERFUME Chemicals or Perfume ingredients.
Capella Flavor Drops highly concentrated PG based, water soluable flavorings are being used by many for making delicious e-liquid(eliquid) or better known as e-juice(ejuice)
Our flavors do NOT contain any Red,Yellow, or Blue dyes which could be harmful to your atomizer
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I have taken that into consideration . Its just not adding up for "me" Personally. Let me explain why "i" feel so . There has been a proven document posted as well as the owner saying it doesnt contain diacetyl . If it did theres no reason why TFA wouldn't also contain it . Has there been any documents on TFA flavors . Not that iv seen . There is also a possibility of TPA flavors using lower quality perfumer ingredients which have been posted in the past. Why was this not tested before selling if safety is a only concern ? Shouldn't there be testing on both sides . Why take the word of one and not the other ? Thats just my opinion .Ymmv . I feel these are valid points in my mind . There is not much actual testing that anything we vape is truly safe even down to the PG and VG
Also even if Kim personally thinks one flavor contains diacetyl what reason do you have for not carrying their other flavors .You dont seem to mind carrying FA . There are a bunch of FA flavors that contained diecetyl . That also makes me wonder the actual reason for not wanting to carry capellas. Saying you dont want to carry Capellas is fine but saying it because they are unsafe and contain diacetyl "i" don't think is a accurate reason and defamatory to their company.
All i personally go off of is documents and speculations however im not speculating the documents nor am i documenting the speculations until the speculations become documents .
These are just my opinions as said above << .Its fine to think differently but im just stating what "i" think
Also even if Kim personally thinks one flavor contains diacetyl what reason do you have for not carrying their other flavors .You dont seem to mind carrying FA . There are a bunch of FA flavors that contained diecetyl . That also makes me wonder the actual reason for not wanting to carry capellas. Saying you dont want to carry Capellas is fine but saying it because they are unsafe and contain diacetyl "i" don't think is a accurate reason and defamatory to their company.
All i personally go off of is documents and speculations however im not speculating the documents nor am i documenting the speculations until the speculations become documents .
These are just my opinions as said above << .Its fine to think differently but im just stating what "i" think
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Since I don't own the company I have no idea. I was just saying that the response was a bit harsh. I mean I know you guys LOVE capella but you sound positively hostile about it. I just don't understand the instant hostile reaction. This is a supportive community there is room for disagreement without it being personal isn't there?
I hope nobody mistunderstands my post as being hostile. I research everything I vape as well as I can before I pass judgment in order to make safer vaping choices for myself. It's not always easy either. Part of the research is asking direct questions. I admire Kimmerpuff for attempting to keep her customers safety first in mind. And that's all I'm trying to do for myself. I didn't post in a hostile manner nor with a hostile attitude. I truly want to see the report.
Vaping is new, and there have been many erroneous posts of information in the past.
Vaping is new, and there have been many erroneous posts of information in the past.
Nope Sea it wasn't hostile.
Like I said I see what you are trying to ask for and nothing wrong with that. You even said please and thank you.
I enjoy following the posts of fellow diyers that are more experienced than me and respect the work you guys put into making the yummy recipes . Just seems like there is a lot more hostility lately maybe its cabin fever from the cold?
Like I said I see what you are trying to ask for and nothing wrong with that. You even said please and thank you.
I enjoy following the posts of fellow diyers that are more experienced than me and respect the work you guys put into making the yummy recipes . Just seems like there is a lot more hostility lately maybe its cabin fever from the cold?
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Busy day! We just got back from our bimonthly area vape meet
In regards to the test that we had done, it was done in December of 2010. The lab I used does not have report forms for the price I paid, which for a product I may or may not be interested in was a prudent choice for my business. The test which I had done was purely to detect if the flavoring contained diactyl.
I do have an email from the tester containing the following:
Good evening, Kimberly. Your check arrived today and thank you. Diacetyl, 2,3-Pentanedione, and Acetoin are all present in the Vanilla Custard sample that you sent. Just a very small amount of diacetyl, however. Let me know if you need anything else.
For the safety of my customers, that was the end of my Capellas interest. I was not interested in paying hundreds of dollars to get the exact recipe or the report showing its contents because it was more a test of interest. If it had not contained diactyl, I would have considered carrying their products.
I emailed the ABC company that did the report posted in this thread asking if their response of ND<.04% meant there was no Diacetyl present and I got this response:
"If it is not detected, reported as ND <0.04%, it means if there is any, it is <0.04%. You used ">" sign. Which is not typical. You have to confirm with the lab who send the report. Are you reading a ABC Testing ,Inc. issued report?
Thanks
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ABC Testing ,Inc."
Obviously I got the sign turned the wrong way in my email hehe but note she said If there is any", that means its less then .04%. She did not yet state to me there is none, nor referenced any tolerance levels. Hopefully I will get more information which I will share when she responds.
If they have changed their recipe, great! If not, no matter how small of an amount it contains, I choose not to sell it through my business and will be open about why I do not.
Good Dog, I am happy you have found what works for you. But just as other companies you have tried didnt work for you does not mean that Capellas is the only one that will work for others.
As for Lindas Products, she does not nor has she ever manufactured them herself. If you read in her website under the Fragrance and Flavoring industry section it states We are not a flavor manufacturing company. We merely re-sell flavors The company she purchases her flavors from cannot use Diacetyl due to insurance regulations. Please feel free to contact Linda if you have any questions about this.
Sharing and learning information from each other is what this forum should be about.
In regards to the test that we had done, it was done in December of 2010. The lab I used does not have report forms for the price I paid, which for a product I may or may not be interested in was a prudent choice for my business. The test which I had done was purely to detect if the flavoring contained diactyl.
I do have an email from the tester containing the following:
Good evening, Kimberly. Your check arrived today and thank you. Diacetyl, 2,3-Pentanedione, and Acetoin are all present in the Vanilla Custard sample that you sent. Just a very small amount of diacetyl, however. Let me know if you need anything else.
For the safety of my customers, that was the end of my Capellas interest. I was not interested in paying hundreds of dollars to get the exact recipe or the report showing its contents because it was more a test of interest. If it had not contained diactyl, I would have considered carrying their products.
I emailed the ABC company that did the report posted in this thread asking if their response of ND<.04% meant there was no Diacetyl present and I got this response:
"If it is not detected, reported as ND <0.04%, it means if there is any, it is <0.04%. You used ">" sign. Which is not typical. You have to confirm with the lab who send the report. Are you reading a ABC Testing ,Inc. issued report?
Thanks
<name omitted>
ABC Testing ,Inc."
Obviously I got the sign turned the wrong way in my email hehe but note she said If there is any", that means its less then .04%. She did not yet state to me there is none, nor referenced any tolerance levels. Hopefully I will get more information which I will share when she responds.
If they have changed their recipe, great! If not, no matter how small of an amount it contains, I choose not to sell it through my business and will be open about why I do not.
Good Dog, I am happy you have found what works for you. But just as other companies you have tried didnt work for you does not mean that Capellas is the only one that will work for others.
As for Lindas Products, she does not nor has she ever manufactured them herself. If you read in her website under the Fragrance and Flavoring industry section it states We are not a flavor manufacturing company. We merely re-sell flavors The company she purchases her flavors from cannot use Diacetyl due to insurance regulations. Please feel free to contact Linda if you have any questions about this.
Sharing and learning information from each other is what this forum should be about.
Well, thank you very much for your reply, Kimmerpuff. I really appreciate it.
But it still leaves me confused. Like what I mean is Tom did furnish his Report that says there is no diacetyl, but you did not furnish a report saying there is diacetyl - just your words typed out, so do you see how that could make me feel a little doubting and confused? IOW, he furnished all the necessary documentation, but you did not. It doesn't matter what your reason was (financial or otherwise), you just simply did not furnish any proof of there ever being a report made.
And then I get really confused with the part above "The company she purchases her flavors from cannot use Diacetyl due to insurance regulations." But when I go to her website, she has flavors with diacetyl in them. She even issues a warning on those flavoing say they contain diacetyl and are not suitable for vaping. Who made them then if the company she purchases her flavors from do not? And she has the diacetyl flavorings in the section for Professional DIY flavorings knowing that vapers are going to vape them.
So you see how confusing this is?
You are correct that "Sharing and learning information from each other is what this forum should be about," so that's why I'm asking - to learn information so I can make the proper decisions for myself and on how to advise others who ask me.
I'm still confused, but thank you for your time on answering the posts as best you can.
But it still leaves me confused. Like what I mean is Tom did furnish his Report that says there is no diacetyl, but you did not furnish a report saying there is diacetyl - just your words typed out, so do you see how that could make me feel a little doubting and confused? IOW, he furnished all the necessary documentation, but you did not. It doesn't matter what your reason was (financial or otherwise), you just simply did not furnish any proof of there ever being a report made.
And then I get really confused with the part above "The company she purchases her flavors from cannot use Diacetyl due to insurance regulations." But when I go to her website, she has flavors with diacetyl in them. She even issues a warning on those flavoing say they contain diacetyl and are not suitable for vaping. Who made them then if the company she purchases her flavors from do not? And she has the diacetyl flavorings in the section for Professional DIY flavorings knowing that vapers are going to vape them.
So you see how confusing this is?
You are correct that "Sharing and learning information from each other is what this forum should be about," so that's why I'm asking - to learn information so I can make the proper decisions for myself and on how to advise others who ask me.
I'm still confused, but thank you for your time on answering the posts as best you can.
The items your thinking about Seabrook contain custard notes, not diacetyl, the custard notes are the replacement flavorings for the butter taste which diacetyl gives. if you read her information area here, hopefully it will make more sense
As I said I only received an email, and I will have to check with the tester to see if she is ok with me sharing it. If she is, then I will forward it to you. Its the best I can do.
As I said I only received an email, and I will have to check with the tester to see if she is ok with me sharing it. If she is, then I will forward it to you. Its the best I can do.
Str8, head over to the TPA website. Lots of info there about flavoring molecules. Visit the flavorist corner and check the diacetyl article there. Look at the description on some of the flavors, Vanilla Custard especially. I think you might be very surprised.
eta: Kim actually posted a link to the diacetyl article while I was typing this.
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Thanks for your reply, KimmerPuffs.
I went over to TFA and read her detailed explanation. No diacetyl, but there is acetoin in some of the juices such as Butter, Sweet Cream, Vanilla Custard and Waffle. I think it's great that TFA lists the flavors containing those molecules - that's the honorable way to do it so we are informed and have our own choices. Thanks again.
I went over to TFA and read her detailed explanation. No diacetyl, but there is acetoin in some of the juices such as Butter, Sweet Cream, Vanilla Custard and Waffle. I think it's great that TFA lists the flavors containing those molecules - that's the honorable way to do it so we are informed and have our own choices. Thanks again.
I am not trying to be negative in any way or attack anyone. However saying that a Company has a chemical in it that is dangerous for Vapers is a very big deal. The report says ND <0.04% which means not detected .04% tolerances. Which is exactly what the email told you it is. With that being said if your going to claim you have had this product tested for a positive trace of Diacetyl why would you not request paper work? They have to produce paperwork as well as file it in their system because they are liable for the finding in case of a law suit. Regardless no one has produced any type of testing other than what I have already posted regardless.
Now I appreciate Onestop for answering these posts but there still is zero proof regarding Capella Vanilla Custard. In fact the only proof presented so far was the paper work I linked. Yes we are a community that should be helping each other and this is why I am asking for proof. Don’t you want to know? So far all I see is one vendor saying another vendor has a dangerous chemical in their flavorings with no proof once so ever. Or at the very least hasn’t presented any thus far.
This isn’t about being a fan boy or a loyalist. This is about making sure our products safe for each other. Its about accountability.
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