Canton, MA considering ordinance to ban e-cigarette, dissolvable tobacco, snus sales
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From what I know:
The good news -- The Canton Board of Health did not ban "electronic cigarettes" (a product that has a battery and heats a liquid to create a vapor)
The bad news -- The Canton Board of Health likely accidentally banned the sale of e-cigarette cartridges and liquid
The really bad news -- The Canton Board of Health banned the sale of snus and dissolvables to adults, all while leaving cigarettes freely available on the market.
The good news -- The Canton Board of Health did not ban "electronic cigarettes" (a product that has a battery and heats a liquid to create a vapor)
The bad news -- The Canton Board of Health likely accidentally banned the sale of e-cigarette cartridges and liquid
The really bad news -- The Canton Board of Health banned the sale of snus and dissolvables to adults, all while leaving cigarettes freely available on the market.
That sounds ummm..... BLOODY NUTS!
Some times the stuff that goes down in the Eastern part of this state just leaves me shaking my head.
We'll have to see how this pans out but it doesn't sound good. I'm off to google my local news for their take on it.
I will never understand why Ma. vapers don't show up to stop the bans.
I hear folks whining about these bans all the time but who shows up?
Spike from the National Vapers Club of course,and Cheryl from CherryVape.
{always thank the Goddess}
Only three of us and the other five folks from the surrounding states.............sigh
C.B.
I hear folks whining about these bans all the time but who shows up?
Spike from the National Vapers Club of course,and Cheryl from CherryVape.
{always thank the Goddess}
Only three of us and the other five folks from the surrounding states.............sigh
C.B.
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confusing...U stated Ecigs are ok for sale BUT cartridges and eliquids/juice are NOT?....explain "cartridges" please....are U referring to clearomizers and tanks and all vaping devices attached to the ECig battery that hold the juice?
also, that was my concerns, that locals around Canton and Boston area (Eastern Mass) would not attend to voice their thoughts....and CASAA was not there either?....only 8 ppl showed up to oppose this ban?.....us in Wesern Mass have a 2 hour ride one way but many of us wrote in to show opposition, but it was imperative that CASAA and Eastern Mass ppl who live nearby attend in large masses to fight this battle and be Boston Strong!
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I will never understand why Ma. vapers don't show up to stop the bans.
I hear folks whining about these bans all the time but who shows up?
Spike from the National Vapers Club of course,and Cheryl from CherryVape.
{always thank the Goddess}
Only three of us and the other five folks from the surrounding states.............sigh
C.B.
Is there a meetup group for vapers around Boston or anything similar? I wanted to go to this, but got anxious. Same reason I didn't pick up the phone and just call to confirm the meeting... I get anxious with folks at times. Not always, but often enough to avoid when I think it is best for me.
If there was some sort of meetup where I know everyone I meet is on the same wavelength (sort of at least
), it would help getting to know a few people. As more of these town meetings pop up, we can better organize to get there? Maybe. I dunno. I want to help but obviously we all have our limitations!I'd love it if the email I wrote to them helped inform their correct decision to not ban e-cigarettes. I honestly could not have said anything better in person than I did in writing. Quite to the contrary actually.
If they inadvertently banned juices and cartridges, that's a part of having government by the people. Let's look at the language and make sure we understand it thoroughly before another town makes the same mistake so we can inform them ahead of time? That way the citizens of that town can at least make a conscious decision as to what is right for their town.
I think Canton is a small, sleeper, family town. A store with paraphernalia of any kind would likely not make sense there. Having at least disposables allows curious smokers to test out vaping and see if there is any hope in it. I know I bought no more than two disposables before realizing I was going to something better. ECF was instrumental in my understanding that. I didn't need a store right around the corner to learn and move forward.
I would be more interested in a place like Sugar Daddy's at Kenmore Sq. being allowed to sell juices, mods, clearo's, etc.
There's a high quality cigar shop by the commons, throw one there.
Throw one on Newbury Street for people who have run out of ways to spend their money.
Add a place in Harvard Square.
A couple shops around Amherst.
Maybe Hyannis, Chatham would have my vote but I'm biased
.There is one on the north shore in Saugus already.
There's also Salem, NH that is very easily accessible.
Just my
I believe "cartridges" refers to the pre-filled cartomizers for products like Blu cigarettes.
They would still be allowed to sell disposable e-cigs of any kind, so long as it is sold as one self-contained unit.
The guy at Sugar Daddies in Boston once explained to me he couldn't sell anything but the disposables as "authorities" are concerned about contact with potentially poisonous liquid nicotine.
Does it make sense? No, but there is no IQ test for people who join policy making entities.
The problem is that they define what an e-cigarette is, and an e-cigarette is defined similar to what I wrote.
Unless otherwise specified (i.e., cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, etc.), all other nicotine-containing products are banned in Canton.
Because the definition of e-cigarettes does not include e-liquid with nicotine and cartridges with nicotine, these products are banned in Canton.
If the product doesn't contain nicotine, it's not impacted.
Is there a meetup group for vapers around Boston or anything similar? I wanted to go to this, but got anxious. Same reason I didn't pick up the phone and just call to confirm the meeting... I get anxious with folks at times. Not always, but often enough to avoid when I think it is best for me.
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If there was some sort of meetup where I know everyone I meet is on the same wavelength (sort of at least
I posted in the Boston forum on ECF once asking why it was so dead, and someone told me that the community has "moved" over to Facebook. But I haven't checked it out, because I've tried to avoid Facebook in general, since it's inception.
I may have to finally give in though, if that's the only place where local vapers talk...But anyway, so I have no idea if there was any local talk about this meeting or rule change. Maybe someone reading this is in that Facebook group and can chime in.
All I can say is, in the 3 years that I've been familiar with vaping, I've only seen ONE person in public vaping here (and it was in the Aquarium, so he may have been a tourist).
I did shoot an email to............
John L. Ciccotelli, R.S., C.H.O.
Public Health Director -- Canton, Massachusetts
Phone: (781) 821-5021
E-mail: jciccotelli@town.canton.ma.us
John L. Ciccotelli, R.S., C.H.O.
Public Health Director -- Canton, Massachusetts
Phone: (781) 821-5021
E-mail: jciccotelli@town.canton.ma.us
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Here's this morning's Patriot Ledger article
Canton raises age to buy tobacco products, doesn’t ban e-cigarettes
Canton raises age to buy tobacco products, doesn't ban e-cigarettes - Quincy, MA - The Patriot Ledger
Canton raises age to buy tobacco products, doesn’t ban e-cigarettes
Canton raises age to buy tobacco products, doesn't ban e-cigarettes - Quincy, MA - The Patriot Ledger
IF THE PRODUCT DOESN'T CONTAIN NICOTINE THEN ITS NOT IMPACTED?....ON 1 HAND YOU SAY eCIGS AND BATTERIES WITH A LIQUID HOLDER IS OK , AND SAY IF THE PRODUCT HAS NO NICOTINE IN IT THEN ITS OK...SO CONVERSELY IF IT HAS NICOTINE IN THE CLEARO/TANK/CARTRIDGE ETC THEN ITS NOT OK?...STILL VERY CONFUSED...I THINK WE ALL NEED TO READ THE PASSSED LEGISLATION AND ITS ACTUAL MEANING..
I THINK U ARE SAYING ITS OK TO SELL ECIG BATTERIES AND ASSESSORIES AS LONG AS THERE IS NO NICOTINE ALREADY IN THEM?..SO THAT WOULD BAN ALL BLEU'S AND DISPOSEABLES..IF I UNDERSTAND U CORRECTLY..AND SEPERATE ELIQUIDS ALSO CANNOT BE SOLD..BUT THAT WORD "CARTRIDGE" IS STILL CONFUSING AND NEEDS CLARIFICATION AS WELL AS THE PASSED LEGISLATION IN CANTON.....BE NICE IF SOMEBODY COULD GET A COPY OF IT WITH AN EXACT INTERPRETATION OF ITS MEANING..
That Patriot Leger paper article is very vague and doesn't mention anything about eliquids or cartridges...but TY for posting it...but specifics are needed and clarification for ppl who vape....
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Considering Canton's population (22,000) and geography (17 square miles just south of Boston), I'd be surprised if anyone in the town sells snus or e-liquid, and I'm pretty certain that no dissolvables are sold there (as Star and Reynolds stopped selling Arriva, Stonewall, Orbs, Strips and Sticks, while Altria is test marketing Verve only in Virginia).
But today's newspaper headline, statements and quotes will make it very difficult (if not impossible) for the Board of Health to reinterpret and/or try enforcing a ban on certain e-cig products.
But today's newspaper headline, statements and quotes will make it very difficult (if not impossible) for the Board of Health to reinterpret and/or try enforcing a ban on certain e-cig products.
CASAA did attend. Karen Carey, from CASAA's board of directors, was at the Canton meeting.
Two members of CASAA were there both if us live 1 1/2 hrs away
There was also a gentleman from Webster MA...
What, exactly, did John Ciccotelli mean with the following quote?
If he meant he felt e-cigs should not have been included a possibility is negating the law by non-enforcement. I doubt that will happen but it is something to keep in mind since non-enforcement now would probably mean at minimum a removal of the e-cig provision when the sunset is reached. The flip side, if he meant the total banning NOT happening was the oversight, there will be a new battle for us supporters when the sunset is reached.
Another note, this law is specifically on sales. I assume that means products purchased elsewhere can still but used.
I've lived in 2 dry counties, one only prohibited sales of alcohol and the other included use. The non-enforcement issue I mentioned came into play with the latter. I was told by a member of law enforcement in that county, if I was sitting on my porch drinking my wine and causing no trouble, no law enforcement officer would approach me. However if they were called to an address for other reasons or you were out and about, the law would be enforced. Sure enough, I had the bottle sitting in plain view while drinking a glass on my deck and an officer drove by and waved to me as he continued on. Of course non-enforcement was not happening with sales, which is why I acknowledged it probably wouldn't come into play in Canton.
But I stray from my point. I'd have to think a good response is open a shop barely outside of the affected area. Neighboring counties of the dry ones I mentioned always had a liquor store just barely across the lines with names making it clear why they were there like "County Line".
If he meant he felt e-cigs should not have been included a possibility is negating the law by non-enforcement. I doubt that will happen but it is something to keep in mind since non-enforcement now would probably mean at minimum a removal of the e-cig provision when the sunset is reached. The flip side, if he meant the total banning NOT happening was the oversight, there will be a new battle for us supporters when the sunset is reached.
Another note, this law is specifically on sales. I assume that means products purchased elsewhere can still but used.
I've lived in 2 dry counties, one only prohibited sales of alcohol and the other included use. The non-enforcement issue I mentioned came into play with the latter. I was told by a member of law enforcement in that county, if I was sitting on my porch drinking my wine and causing no trouble, no law enforcement officer would approach me. However if they were called to an address for other reasons or you were out and about, the law would be enforced. Sure enough, I had the bottle sitting in plain view while drinking a glass on my deck and an officer drove by and waved to me as he continued on. Of course non-enforcement was not happening with sales, which is why I acknowledged it probably wouldn't come into play in Canton.
But I stray from my point. I'd have to think a good response is open a shop barely outside of the affected area. Neighboring counties of the dry ones I mentioned always had a liquor store just barely across the lines with names making it clear why they were there like "County Line".
well still 8 ppl at the meeting is awful...and 2 of those were from CASAA, so only 6 others were locals at the most, but most likely not but were concerned shop owners ande non local vaporing ppl......pathetic...Canton ppl got what they deserved as far as tobacco products, and got lucky there were least 8 in attendance and a bunch of out of town letters from other ppl who at least now buy an Ecig in Canton (if they even have a shop)...but still not sure if it can contain eliquid or not..thanks to those that attended...sure wish we could get a clarification about eliquids and the exact interpretation of their passed ruling, but since Canton locals don't care then the heck with them.....not going to fight other ppls wars if they won't even stand up for themselves...Eastern Mass is a diff breed than most of us in Western mass...we don't lay down , we fight our own battles and with a strong attack..
BTW..I see they announced today that us in Western mass now have to pay Pike Tolls (exit 1-6) again (after a 17 year exemption) beginning Oct 15, to pay for roads, tunnels and bridges in Eastern Mass again..this was part of the recent state Tobacco legislation for $800 million new revenues, in which cigs went up $1 a pack, and gasoline 3 cents a gallon recently.....I had no problem with cigs or gasoline going up but calling a new Pike toll for Western mass residents a "tobacco legislation" is ridiculous and then using the revenues for Eastearn mass is a real slap in the face...My state rep and senator know me well, and are friends of mine, and I already had words with them about this...they lost my vote in the next elections, and everybody I can persuade to vote against them...
BTW..I see they announced today that us in Western mass now have to pay Pike Tolls (exit 1-6) again (after a 17 year exemption) beginning Oct 15, to pay for roads, tunnels and bridges in Eastern Mass again..this was part of the recent state Tobacco legislation for $800 million new revenues, in which cigs went up $1 a pack, and gasoline 3 cents a gallon recently.....I had no problem with cigs or gasoline going up but calling a new Pike toll for Western mass residents a "tobacco legislation" is ridiculous and then using the revenues for Eastearn mass is a real slap in the face...My state rep and senator know me well, and are friends of mine, and I already had words with them about this...they lost my vote in the next elections, and everybody I can persuade to vote against them...
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It could be that Canton ppl got what they wanted?
It could be that they didn't just "lay down," but rather agreed with the people they voted into office to make these decisions for them. Nature of a republic.
Regarding the Eastern / Western Mass being a different breed...
I think the solution to this is to promote inter-breeding. I will put on some of my finest cologne, break out the polyester disco suit, and head west this week-end to do my part. Cheers.
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