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I'll sell you mine....
exactly... i would have paid the original price, maybe a little markup on a used one...
Because these aren't Rolex watches, they aren't luxury status symbols. (If) the clones work, and are made of similar materials, who cares.
Now let me get back to my yard work, where's my diamond studded gold rake at...
that's exactly the mod i was thinking of when i saw the switch disassembled.... lol
either way, this clone is not a mod i would be interested in.
too many negatives in design....
The caravela is so simple, yet they still manage toit up
Between this and the Segelei 19
It's like they try to screw em up. LOL
but this mod is ONLY a clone.... there are a crap ton of mods that would function a million times better than this one, but there was talks of a co-op BEFORE actual pictures were even shown.
all because it LOOKS like a Caravela.......
these "clones" aren't designed to function well, they are designed to look like mods that function extremely well.
If they concentrated on making a functional mod, rather than a knock off, we would all have good mods to play with.
anyone that thinks this mod will perform as well as any quality built mod, is out of their mind...
I know exactly what you mean. This one time I ordered a unicorn from China, and all I got was a crappy burro wearing a party hat.
Seriously though, you make it sound like clones are prop mod. These things sometimes sell for almost an order of magnitude less than the mods they mimic, and a few inexpensive modifications sometimes can bring them up to par. We're talking mechanical mods here, their beauty is their simplicity, and that just begs for this sort of copying.
I just typed a whole dissertation and deleted it. I am so sick of this topic. Don't get me wrong we are all entitled to our opinions and I respect that.
Do I want and have 25 genny attys? Yes. Am I going to spend $150+ on all of those? Hell no. I will buy 1 high ender to every 5 clones, or so. My RSST is identical to my AC9. My AGAs perform as good as any atty in my collection.
I have 3 or 4 sigelei mechs and w a few minor modifications here and there, they are as good as my Vela, 69, Roller, etc. A batt tube and threads are just that. They will last just as long as a higher quality steel, that cost 10 Xs the amount.
I have a clone mod from a co-op months ago, that has the same exact switch as this Vela clone. Its a decent switch. It just so happens that a while back I modded the switch to fit 1 of my real Vela tubes. I posted way back then that I liked the action and operation of the clone switch better than the original Vela switch. Kinda ironic that here we are months later and the 1st Vela clone comes w that switch.
People that cant and never will afford a vela are proud to have a clone that looks that nice. I think its great that they can hold their head high without spending a months worth of food $ to get it.
On second thought I'm not sick of this conversation, I am glad to represent those that are on the other side of this topic.
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Do I want and have 25 genny attys? Yes. Am I going to spend $150+ on all of those? Hell no. I will buy 1 high ender to every 5 clones, or so. My RSST is identical to my AC9. My AGAs perform as good as any atty in my collection.
I have 3 or 4 sigelei mechs and w a few minor modifications here and there, they are as good as my Vela, 69, Roller, etc. A batt tube and threads are just that. They will last just as long as a higher quality steel, that cost 10 Xs the amount.
I have a clone mod from a co-op months ago, that has the same exact switch as this Vela clone. Its a decent switch. It just so happens that a while back I modded the switch to fit 1 of my real Vela tubes. I posted way back then that I liked the action and operation of the clone switch better than the original Vela switch. Kinda ironic that here we are months later and the 1st Vela clone comes w that switch.
People that cant and never will afford a vela are proud to have a clone that looks that nice. I think its great that they can hold their head high without spending a months worth of food $ to get it.
On second thought I'm not sick of this conversation, I am glad to represent those that are on the other side of this topic.
Soap box clear for the next
These are metal tubes with spring buttons for crying out loud....A mechanical mod isn't some complicated piece of machinery. It isn't rocket science to make one. If it has brass contacts and the switch works then there is nothing to make a "real" caravela any better than this. The difference is only cosmetic and it isn't even that much of a difference. I guess the real difference is hype and "rarity."
Can China mess up such a simple device? Of course. But it can be done if they decide to do it and not cut corners(i.e K100). I'm glad china has started to tackle the high end mech mods. I've been around awhile and the advent of the genisis was a double edge sword. The mod craze really reached a new level. These things have really poisoned the community bringing in a shroud of greed, elitism, and ignorance with their shiny finishes and high price tags. An ihybrid sells out in 5 seconds and then you see a bunch for $500 a week later on different flipping sites. I've seen fogattis and velas sell for $1000+ easy. All that money has brought in many unsavory people. I can only hope china can make some products to relieve some of this pressure for good gene devices. Then some of these flippers can move on.
Can China mess up such a simple device? Of course. But it can be done if they decide to do it and not cut corners(i.e K100). I'm glad china has started to tackle the high end mech mods. I've been around awhile and the advent of the genisis was a double edge sword. The mod craze really reached a new level. These things have really poisoned the community bringing in a shroud of greed, elitism, and ignorance with their shiny finishes and high price tags. An ihybrid sells out in 5 seconds and then you see a bunch for $500 a week later on different flipping sites. I've seen fogattis and velas sell for $1000+ easy. All that money has brought in many unsavory people. I can only hope china can make some products to relieve some of this pressure for good gene devices. Then some of these flippers can move on.
Bingo, there's a void in the market, and it will be filled. These devices are far too rudimentary for clones to not be expected, and honestly welcomed. Welcomed that is by anyone other than those currently profiting from the void, or those that bought them for privilege, exclusivity, status, etc. I truly hope that the individuals or manufacturers of current high end devices have amassed the capital to develop the next big "thing", because this ship has sailed (pun intended).
I also like that China is getting into making all these mechanicals now, especially since mech mods are becoming the "craze" at the moment. Nothing is better than getting mods for half the price or less. The only problems I have with them is the quality and the simple fact that they're copies or imitations of actual mods. True, we are just talking about tubes with batteries. So why can't they just come up with original designs or something that isn't just a knock-off. If the quality and performance was on par ( Terminator R/A ) I wouldn't have much of a problem, especially if the mod makers stopped producing the product. But making a knock-off just purely due to hype, results in poor product. They don't care because they know people will buy them due to the "hype".
That's all we see now, Caravela clone, GG clone, Roller clone,Chi you clone, and the list goes on. That's their whole selling point. I don't like all the status symbols or elitists. Heck, I don't really know any other person that is into vaping like myself, locally. But I still want the high end mods because I know the quality will always be better. I refuse to pay anything outrageous to get them, I'm only willing to pay retail. I used to hate the fact the prices were $200-$300 until I got my first high end mod. The build quality and performance was enough for me to accept the prices. But never over retail, especially for a used one. Mod just comes out 4 months ago and people are demanding double the retail for a used mod?
As much as I feel bad for the Mod makers for having their mods copied, I feel that it's their own fault for not being able to keep up with demand. All this limited run and limited editions crap is what's irritating. It's not the prices, it's the lack of the product. I'm pretty sure allot of people here in the vaping community can afford that one $200-$300 mod. It's the getting on a list, waiting weeks or months, and it's the, "You only have 5 mins to make your purchase." that's what I hate the most.
I just typed a whole dissertation and deleted it. I am so sick of this topic. Don't get me wrong we are all entitled to our opinions and I respect that.
Do I want and have 25 genny attys? Yes. Am I going to spend $150+ on all of those? Hell no. I will buy 1 high ender to every 5 clones, or so. My RSST is identical to my AC9. My AGAs perform as good as any atty in my collection.
I have 3 or 4 sigelei mechs and w a few minor modifications here and there, they are as good as my Vela, 69, Roller, etc. A batt tube and threads are just that. They will last just as long as a higher quality steel, that cost 10 Xs the amount.
I have a clone mod from a co-op months ago, that has the same exact switch as this Vela clone. Its a decent switch. It just so happens that a while back I modded the switch to fit 1 of my real Vela tubes. I posted way back then that I liked the action and operation of the clone switch better than the original Vela switch. Kinda ironic that here we are months later and the 1st Vela clone comes w that switch.
People that cant and never will afford a vela are proud to have a clone that looks that nice. I think its great that they can hold their head high without spending a months worth of food $ to get it.
On second thought I'm not sick of this conversation, I am glad to represent those that are on the other side of this topic.
Soap box clear for the next
totally agree.. at the end of the day is its a dog eat dog world, its not fair but deal with it, it aint gonna change. do i wanna pay £150-£200 for a high end mod or £50-£100 ??? some people dont have major money to splash that kind of money on a smoking device, hell i just paid £26 for a kts, YES! lol. i will splash out once on a chi you coz dayum that thing is beautiful, oh an a ba gua which is a cheaper mini chi you
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Maybe it's a bit to hard to grasp my post. I am NOT talking about status symbols BUT quality (do youwant amod that lasts a lifetime and WORKS or something that will be dented and broken in a few months? Your comment about "the diamond studded rake was not just infantile but also ignorant. Yeah, a diamond studded rake would sure be very functional...I have my watch since 1985 and never had to get it repaired; that's quality. Same with bags, clothes, Mont blanc pens AND mechanical mods such as a quality made Caravela. However, seems pointless to discuss quality if you have a different definition for it. I think your "similar" material comment spoke for itself since the materials make all the difference.
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I think cloning is the only way china knows how to market anything. Although, Sigelei has come up with a couple decent mech mods. The velas have some non chinese clones as well. The Swan, Gus, Pulse, Nemesis, JM all share a similar design. In fact most bottom button mods work the same, it just comes down to a few design elements. They could easy add some groves, or colored end caps/engraving and make their own if they had the marketing savvy. I guess it's easier for them to steal some pictures and market clones based off the success of an original.
The fringe benefit of this surge of Chinese clones is that flippers that were getting 2x MSRP for a "used" "real" one are likely loosing much of their market and not too pleased.
I like the Rolex analogy... except these are on even a lower playing field. $200-300? That used to by one month's worth of cigarettes. Would I like a real GG or Caravela? Sure. Can I "afford" one? I could have equity in a second home by now for what I've spent over the last 25 years of smoking. Even $1000 is less than six months worth of smokes. Enough to wait months and jump through a bunch of flaming hoops like a trained circus monkey? Not when I can buy a clone tomorrow for a fraction of the price!
Bring me the CHaravela! And a nice, shiny Chroller and maybe one day a Chzonic that actually has both magnets in the same end of the tube.
I like the Rolex analogy... except these are on even a lower playing field. $200-300? That used to by one month's worth of cigarettes. Would I like a real GG or Caravela? Sure. Can I "afford" one? I could have equity in a second home by now for what I've spent over the last 25 years of smoking. Even $1000 is less than six months worth of smokes. Enough to wait months and jump through a bunch of flaming hoops like a trained circus monkey? Not when I can buy a clone tomorrow for a fraction of the price!
Bring me the CHaravela! And a nice, shiny Chroller and maybe one day a Chzonic that actually has both magnets in the same end of the tube.
Well that escalated quickly
I'm not here to change anyone's mind, so please continue to believe the brands you have name dropped are priced according to their quality, and not other factors that typically determine the cost of luxury goods. This makes their marketing departments very happy.
When I say similar materials, I mean perfectly suitable conductors like steel, brass, aluminum, etc., as opposed to precious metals sometimes used on/in high end mods.
P.S. My Casio watch from 1985 has never needed repairs, that's quality.
silverrocks:9429426 said:
Oh yeah, I forgot that for something to be of quality it has to be expensive. Thanks for reminding me...
Talk about infantile.
a well made mod, doesn't have to be expensive... they do exist.
this one just isn't one of them...
stop trying to be smug and convincing others that it is
this one just isn't one of them...
stop trying to be smug and convincing others that it is
if this was directed at me... i'm not even talking about this mod with recent comments and more to the quality = expensive turn this discussion is taking. that is a very narrow minded over privileged mindset and is not true. I never said the vela clone was the best of the best and have clearly stated the flaws and downfalls of it in this thread. I happen to have a few other lower priced mods that are top notch on quality and can hold their own with $$$ mods.a well made mod, doesn't have to be expensive... they do exist.
this one just isn't one of them...
stop trying to be smug and convincing others that it is
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