Cattaraugus County, NY Health Department proposes e-cig indoor use ban
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That's a bit vague, don't you think? Do they really mean they want to place an indoor use ban on propylene glycol vapor that is a germicidal air cleaner as part of the Clean Indoor Air Act? 
That's a bit vague, don't you think? Do they really mean they want to place an indoor use ban on propylene glycol vapor that is a germicidal air cleaner as part of the Clean Indoor Air Act?
...Not to mention the guy in the cube behind you hitting his asthma inhaler.
Argh... I live in Catt Co... gonna have to go visit Dr. Watkins and show him the error of his ways (in a completely civil and non-violent way, of course).
Make sure to bring along some resources from the CASAA.org website.
Please e-mail us at board@casaa.org. We'd love to have you head our effort to stop this from becoming law.
I just sent an email to the Board of Health and CC'd it to board@casaa.org. I will keep you guys posted on what I hear back and if I can make any progress.
Received your email message. If you do manage to set up a meeting with someone, you might want to print these documents to give to the person you meet with:
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View attachment E-cigarettes_and_Smoke-free_Policies.pdf
And print out a copy of the review of the avilable evidence by Kahn and Siegel:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
View attachment 53183
View attachment E-cigarettes_and_Smoke-free_Policies.pdf
And print out a copy of the review of the avilable evidence by Kahn and Siegel:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
Thanks for the links Vocalek. I've downloaded them and will make sure to bring several copies with me if I can set up a meeting. I think I might start carrying copies of the brochure with me to my gigs too 
Notice who's commented on that article?
One of the trolls from the quitsmokingmessageboard, Electricman.
I bet he 's been lurking here.
Guess he has nothing else to do with his life than attack ecigs.
Sad.
That bet doesn't pay much, maybe win $1.00 for every $235.00 bet.
Well, those are the odds I'm offering anyway.
The poor man is probably going through the agony of uncontrollable depression, anger, and anxiety, due to lack of nicotine. He certainly sounds hostile, anyway. Perhaps an e-cig or some snus would help him to chill out. (Do they still use that expression, "chill out"? I first heard it in the 1960s.)
It's one of my favorite expressions Elaine! I say, "Chill out, Babe" to my husband pretty much any time he drives us somewhere. Poor guy gets serious road rage.
Google just came across the text: A Local Law Regulating the Sale and Use of Electronic Cigarettes...
What exactly is undetermined about the vapor produced from less than a teaspoon of flavored glycerine from a low wattage fog machine?? Considering the safety record of concert and theatrical fog machines that have run liters of the same "fog juice" per hour through a 1800 Watt atomizer for every day fo, what harm can possibly be expected to come from a 3-15W atomizer? Even adding the known risks of remaining addicted to continued nicotine consumption, has anyone identified any risks more serious than the possibility of a nasty bit of vomiting from accidentally (because no one who is not suicidal would ever intentionally) swallow cartridge or e-liquid containing generally less than a teaspoon of propylene glycol and a user-selectable, single-digit percentage of nicotine??
The only thing is "undetermined" is whether swallowing the 1.4 liters of 1.6% nicotine it would take to be exposed to the amount of nitrosamines in a single Marlboro cigarette could cause the absorption of a fatal dose of nicotine before it is expelled by mild to severe vomiting. ...Its hard to find volunteers for that sort of clinical study.
Seriously, is there any reason to believe that using an e-cigarette is any more dangerous than what you breathe every day on a busy streets or enclosed public spaces?? ...There IS evidence that propylene glycol vapor is a safe and effective germicidal air sanitizer.
I understand why some people think its bad to continue using recreational nicotine or tobacco products even if they can do it without lighting it on fire and inhaling smoke hundreds of times a day, but even if they're just lighting tobacco on fire and inhaling smoke a little less or (quite possibly) never again?? isn't that a net win for everybody (except those who rely on funding from pharmaceuticals used to treat smoking and related diseases)???
OK CC Legislators, make up your minds:
Either the nicotine content can vary, or the cartridge contains 100% nicotine. Sure glad they did their research before writing their "Findings". <- sarcasm
Oh really? Perhaps at VaperCon we can make a video of someone smoking a real cigarette and have the narrator point out the smoke coming off the lit end of the cigarette, even when nobody is inhaling from it, the way the smoke lingers for quite a while. Then show someone using a model that doesn't look like a cigarette (e.g., Chuck or eGo), point out that there is no smoke coming from the tip, and then show the way the vapor disappates very quickly. Maybe have the two stand side by side an inhale for 3 seconds and then exhale for 3 seconds and compare the behavior of the smoke to the vapor. We could also do blow the smoke or vapor into a tissue trick and show the results to the camera.
Either the nicotine content can vary, or the cartridge contains 100% nicotine. Sure glad they did their research before writing their "Findings". <- sarcasm
Oh really? Perhaps at VaperCon we can make a video of someone smoking a real cigarette and have the narrator point out the smoke coming off the lit end of the cigarette, even when nobody is inhaling from it, the way the smoke lingers for quite a while. Then show someone using a model that doesn't look like a cigarette (e.g., Chuck or eGo), point out that there is no smoke coming from the tip, and then show the way the vapor disappates very quickly. Maybe have the two stand side by side an inhale for 3 seconds and then exhale for 3 seconds and compare the behavior of the smoke to the vapor. We could also do blow the smoke or vapor into a tissue trick and show the results to the camera.
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Not just that, but at least indoors smoke... rises. Vapor... falls (outside the wind grabs its and does whatever it wants with it).
And I discovered something vaping this summer in the extreme heat/humidity... this "heated vapor" is actually cool to the skin. Take a big pull and blow out a cloud (easy @ 12.7 on a darwin) then walk through it so its surrounding your face. It feels cool... not hot.
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I've been a stage hand, studio operator, promoter, guest attendant, and assistant director at various concerts and theatrical products that have used large quantities of propylene glycol and/or glycerine vapor. At all of these events, regardless of how thick the vapor ever gets...People can still tell if someone lights a cigarette.
Fun anecdote, there was one time that I was the person in charge of operating the fog machine at a concert for Christian Hip Hop artist T-bone. This was the very first public event in a brand new auditorium and there was some concern that the fog machine might trigger the particulate detector smoke alarm system in the new building, so I ended up being the ONLY person backstage with a radio to facilitate communications between the mullet-wearing Christian Rocker running the sound and the Anton LeVey following drama teacher operating the lights--Fun Times!
...We used at least a half-gallon of "juice" that night but never set off the alarm and as far as I know, nobody got cancer or anything! 
Thanks for the links Vocalek. I've downloaded them and will make sure to bring several copies with me if I can set up a meeting. I think I might start carrying copies of the brochure with me to my gigs too
Any update for us?
"The cartridge and ignition system are housed in a device created to
look like a traditional cigarette, cigar or pipe."
I sure am glad that I don't use one of them there E Cigarettes that they're trying to ban. I got me one of those them there personal vaporizers that looks like a screwdriver that I use as a personal anti-bacteria device.
look like a traditional cigarette, cigar or pipe."
I sure am glad that I don't use one of them there E Cigarettes that they're trying to ban. I got me one of those them there personal vaporizers that looks like a screwdriver that I use as a personal anti-bacteria device.
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