Tacoma-Pierce County health official wants to ban electronic cigarettes in

[Vocalek]

Is that in the plant or the fruit. Just asking.

We can do the math together.

According to Health New Zealand, a 16 mg. Ruyan e-cigarette delivers 0.053 mg of nicotine per puff, and 98% of that is absorbed, leaving 2% to be exhaled.

Source: http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf

0.02 * 0.053 mg = 0.00106 mg nicotine exhaled per puff

100g of eggplant contains 0.01mg of nicotine, and 10kg of eggplant is equivalent to one cigarette. However, absorbtion rates from ingestion are low and nicotine is quickly metabolised, so the effect isn't nearly the same.

The nicotine contents of vegetables

100 grams = 3.52739619 ounces (which would be an average serving for eggplant)

0.01 mg nicotine in one eggplant serving divided by 0.00106 mg nicoitne per puff = 9.4339 puffs

So to equal the nicotine from one serving of eggplant, a bystander would need to lock lips with an e-cigarette user and inhale the entirety of 9.4 of their exhaled puffs. The amount of nicotine a bystander might be able to inhale from e-cigarette exhalations in the ambient air is probably miniscule to the point of disappearance.

The logical way to test this would be to recruit a volunteer and check their cotinine blood levels. Send them into a room with an e-cigarette user who is using 16 mg. liquid. Have the e-cigarette user take puffs at his or her usual pace and have the non-user count the number of puffs until a specified number is reached -- say 30 puffs?

Remeasure the cotinine blood levels of the non-user.

Good luck getting an Internal Review Board (IRB) to approve this experiment. They would claim that it exposes the non-user to too much potential danger.

Any scientific study involving human subjects that will be published in recognized scientific journal must have the design pre-approved by an IRB. Otherwise, you can conduct the experiment, but won't be able to have the results recognized as legitimate.

 

[bobalex]

I'll be there on the 16th. Anybody else from Seattle want to go?

When:
Monday, May 16, 2011
6:00-7:00 PM

Where:
Tacoma-Pierce County Health Department Auditorium
3629 South D Street
Tacoma, WA 98418

 

[Demarko]

I'll be there on the 16th. Anybody else from Seattle want to go?

When:
Monday, May 16, 2011
6:00-7:00 PM

Where:
Tacoma-Pierce County Health Department Auditorium
3629 South D Street
Tacoma, WA 98418

I very likely will be, the way things are looking as of now. Maybe we should try to arrange to meet up somewhere before hand. We got time though to plan. Unlike the King County one, that had one meeting, with what... 48 hours notice?

 

[kristin]

CASAA Call to Action for Tacoma/Pierce County is up: CASAA | Tacoma/Pierce County Washington Call to Action!!

 

[Demarko]

CASAA Call to Action for Tacoma/Pierce County is up: CASAA | Tacoma/Pierce County Washington Call to Action!!

Can't share it on facebook, but will do so as soon as it appears on the casaa fb page! Thank you Kristin!

 

[kristin]

Posted on Facebook along with 3 other Call to Actions!

 

[Jacinda222]

I sent emails to all of the committee members, and received a nice response from Mr. Muri. He also sent me these survey results in an email:

Should Pierce County ban electronic cigarettes in public places? Results as of Sunday, 8 May 2011

No. Rules like this make us a nanny state.
1055 votes
52%

Yes. The public's health is at risk.
517 votes
26%

Don't care. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
452 votes
22%

Total Votes: 2024

Read more: Tacoma-Pierce County health officials take hard look at electronic cigarettes | SoundLife - The News Tribune

 

[Placebo Effect]

Washington residents: If you needed another reason to attend and speak at Monday's hearing, take a look at Dr. Chen's newest editorial: If e-cigarettes aren’t harmful, then prove it | Regional Voices - The News Tribune

 

[Vocalek]

Dr. Chen is still at it.

I left a comment:

Dr. Chen: Your logic is impeccable; however when any of the underlying assumptions are wrong, the conclusion reached is, at best, questionable. Try to keep up with the news. The FDA announced on April 14 that it will regulate e-cigarettes and other products derived from tobacco as tobacco products under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. Drs. Cahn and Siegel reviewed the evidence, including 16 studies of e-cigarette liquid and vapor and concluded, “A preponderance of the available evidence shows them to be much safer than tobacco cigarettes and comparable in toxicity to conventional nicotine replacement products.” E-cigarettes are proving to be much more effective than pharmaceutical nicotine replacement products that have a dismal success rate of 7% at best. The majority of consumers--up to 80%--use e-cigarettes as a complete replacement for all their tobacco cigarettes, and most of the rest use e-cigarettes to reduce the number of cigarettes per day they smoke. Let's turn the headline around: "If e-cigarettes are harmful, then prove it." E-cigarettes have been in use since 2004 with no serious adverse effects reported (compare that to your supposedly-safe FDA-approved Chantix!). In multiple surveys, over 90% of consumers report the same type of health improvements as seen by any person that stops inhaling tobacco smoke by using some other method: better lung function, markers of cardiovascular health, stamina, etc. Thus, e-cigarettes will reduce cancer, heart, and lung disease, not increase them. If users are seeing their health improved by inhaling vapor, how could their exhaled breath possibly be dangerous to bystanders? It makes no sense. These products are improving the health of their users, and could save the lives of many more smokers—provided their use is not discouraged.

Read more: If e-cigarettes aren’t harmful, then prove it | Regional Voices - The News Tribune

 

[Traver]

I would like to say that besides offering our opinions it would help us if someone always posted at least one link to either the ECF forum or to CASAA. Besides giving people good places for information more links raise our rank in Google and Alexa. This is important because a higher rank makes it more likely to be the first on searches for anything related to ecigs. After all who do you want people interested in e cigs to find first? Us or some anti smoking organization.

Posted the following:
Dr. Chen seems to be confused with what we knew about tobacco fifty years ago and what we know about e cigs in the present. Al of the ingredients in e cigs are approved by the FDA. Some like nicotine for smoking cessation patches, gum and nasal spray. That's where the minute amounts of nitrosamines come from. All of the others are approved either as food additives or for medical use. I will also note that the FDA has never said e cigs are unsafe.
In the strict world scientific proof and the world of the regulatory world of the FDA they haven't proven to be safe FDA. Nor has anything else because it cannot be done. The FDA states that approval is not a guarantee of safety.
In the real world
Here is what we do know:
Deaths related to smoking 400,000 and up.
Deaths from electronic cigarettes 0. That's right zero.

For those of you who would like to find information on e cigs this is a good place to start:
Casaa.org - Harm Reduction

 

[Demarko]

It's possible to prove that big foot exists, if he does. It's impossible to prove that he doesn't exist. It's proving a negative, as someone else pointed out. The fact that NO ONE has been harmed by electronic cigarettes should be proof enough. You can't prove that harm doesn't exist. You can only prove that it does exist, if it does.

I suppose you'll want to pass laws that people can't keep bigfoot as pets, because of the potential harm that his dander may cause to respiration, next.

My reply. What a .....$$.

 

[Vocalek]

Link to CASAA's email message to Tacoma/Pierce County Officials:

CASAA.org

 

[Demarko]

Link to CASAA's email message to Tacoma/Pierce County Officials:

CASAA.org

Great letter! A couple of points in there I may bring up if I get a chance to speak on Monday. Since I live just north of Pierce County, I may not be able to, but I'll be there in support!

 

[Thulium]

Great letter! A couple of points in there I may bring up if I get a chance to speak on Monday. Since I live just north of Pierce County, I may not be able to, but I'll be there in support!

Although I live in Oregon, I will be attending the hearing Monday to help represent CASAA members in Pierce County. My plan is to visit the Vaporium store in Linwood if anyone would like to meet there or outside the Health Department building before the meeting. Attendees are to be given only 3 minutes each to present their opinion, so the more organized we are ahead of time, the more effective we can be.

If you or anyone else is planning to attend the hearing, please feel free to get in touch with me by IM, email, or Facebook--I don't want to post my mobile phone number on a public internet forum.

 

[Demarko]

Although I live in Oregon, I will be attending the hearing Monday to help represent CASAA members in Pierce County. My plan is to visit the Vaporium store in Linwood if anyone would like to meet there or outside the Health Department building before the meeting. Attendees are to be given only 3 minutes each to present their opinion, so the more organized we are ahead of time, the more effective we can be.

If you or anyone else is planning to attend the hearing, please feel free to get in touch with me by IM, email, or Facebook--I don't want to post my mobile phone number on a public internet forum.

Sounds like a plan. Kim from the Vaporium mentioned dinner/what have you at a local vape friendly pub afterwards, too. You mean lakewood right? And what time are you planning to be there, so I can make my plans? It's about a 45 minute drive for me, so I'm working on getting my planning done in advance.

Edit: Will try to find you on facebook, too.

 

[JWebb]

Good luck at the meeting, we have to show up at the local level meetings to demand our rights and educate that e-cigs are not the same as analogs. If we all try to attend our local meetings in each small or large city, that is where the policy starts and moves up to the county, state levels.

 

[Placebo Effect]

The meeting starts in an hour. Check back here, as there is a good chance a CASAA member will be streaming the meeting from his phone.

 

[Placebo Effect]

Should be broadcasting at or before 9 PM Eastern / 6 PM Pacific -- Theworm550 on Qik | 2 videos recorded with mobile phones

 

[JustJulie]

Listening now. We are vapers. Here us roar.

 

[kristin]

I love how many speakers we have!! It's so good to see people getting involved.